I hate smoking!

Original thread got locked for a personal attack on smokers, which I removed now.

Here is my opinion about smokers, it is my opinion and not a direct insult at any of you. This is intended to be a constructive conversation.

Smokers now face prejudice and personal attacks for their once glorious addiction, which may actually, combined with the smoking bans, increased taxes and increased awareness, help motivate them to quit.

The "you'll get lung cancer in 40 years if you don't quit!!!" kind of person fails to realize that smokers are drug addicts, slaves of nicotine, and quitting is not as easy as 1-2-3, and they were obviously smart enough to start in the first place. If they weren't devoid of any willpower to fight a drug that you do not physically need to survive, they would have quit much earlier. They most likely made the choice as teens, and had to stick with it and regret it for the rest of their [shortened] lives.

Counterarguments

Smoking is a personal choice

A choice that effects those around you on the streets trying to be healthy, forcing them to breathe in your Carbon Monoxide, Formaldehyde, Benzene, Cadmium, Vinyl Chloride, Arsenic, Lead, Toulene, Acetone, DDT, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and other carcinogenic or harmful substances. Non-smokers have a right to clean air wherever and whenever they want, and have priority over the 21% of smokers.

There's an old story about people in a lifeboat. A bored guy starts cutting a hole in the bottom of the boat. The others object, but the guy says "Why are you worried, the hole is under my seat!" This is the just like the inconsiderate smoker who lights up in a room full of people who aren't smoking.

In England the smoking ban is coming any day now

Edit: Yep July 1st

As long as smokers take care to avoid any other people while smoking let them. But don't smoke around me. :evil:

it's really bad how many people in the military smoke now a days too. Everyone does and this is going to sincerely hurt the long term soldier aspect of a career choice eventually.Jagg3d

Well, as I recall soldiers were always avid smokers, I'd imagine maybe a tad less so today.

In England the smoking ban is coming any day now Edit: Yep July 1stmmogoon

lets see, i will get cancer after 40 years of smoking. hey, why not enjoy myself since 40 years is such a long time . c02z

Smoking also worsens the quality of your life.

[QUOTE="c02z"]lets see, i will get cancer after 40 years of smoking. hey, why not enjoy myself since 40 years is such a long time . Glutted

Smoking also worsens the quality of your life.

[QUOTE="Glutted"]

[QUOTE="c02z"]lets see, i will get cancer after 40 years of smoking. hey, why not enjoy myself since 40 years is such a long time . c02z

Smoking also worsens the quality of your life.

Eh...whatever you say. :roll:

Just stay away from me.

[QUOTE="Glutted"]

[QUOTE="c02z"]lets see, i will get cancer after 40 years of smoking. hey, why not enjoy myself since 40 years is such a long time . c02z

Smoking also worsens the quality of your life.

[QUOTE="c02z"][QUOTE="Glutted"]

[QUOTE="c02z"]lets see, i will get cancer after 40 years of smoking. hey, why not enjoy myself since 40 years is such a long time . Sajo7

Smoking also worsens the quality of your life.

Eh...whatever you say. :roll:

Just stay away from me.

As long as smokers take care to avoid any other people while smoking let them. But don't smoke around me. :evil:

Sajo7

However weed is a diffrent story since its not as bad but its illegal so ill shut up about illegal stuff so i dont get banned.

Original thread got locked for a personal attack on smokers, which I removed now.

Here is my opinion about smokers, it is my opinion and not a direct insult at any of you. This is intended to be a constructive conversation.

Smokers now face prejudice and personal attacks for their once glorious addiction, which may actually, combined with the smoking bans, increased taxes and increased awareness, help motivate them to quit.

The "you'll get lung cancer in 40 years if you don't quit!!!" kind of person fails to realize that smokers are drug addicts, slaves of nicotine, and quitting is not as easy as 1-2-3, and they were obviously smart enough to start in the first place. If they weren't devoid of any willpower to fight a drug that you do not physically need to survive, they would have quit much earlier. They most likely made the choice as teens, and had to stick with it and regret it for the rest of their [shortened] lives.

Counterarguments

Smoking is a personal choice

A choice that effects those around you on the streets trying to be healthy, forcing them to breathe in your Carbon Monoxide, Formaldehyde, Benzene, Cadmium, Vinyl Chloride, Arsenic, Lead, Toulene, Acetone, DDT, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and other carcinogenic or harmful substances. Non-smokers have a right to clean air wherever and whenever they want, and have priority over the 21% of smokers.

There's an old story about people in a lifeboat. A bored guy starts cutting a hole in the bottom of the boat. The others object, but the guy says "Why are you worried, the hole is under my seat!" This is the just like the inconsiderate smoker who lights up in a room full of people who aren't smoking.

Glutted

Oh, bollocks. When you go to a bar to kill your brain cells with booze, you aren't STUCK in the bar. Unlike the person stuck in a lifeboat, you can choose to get up and leave at any time, and go to a bar that does NOT allow smoking.

If you choose not to do this, that is YOUR decision. And if it gives you lung cancer, you were just as much of a willing participant as the smoker who's constantly puffing away on poison.

At least the smoker has a real chemical addiction. What's YOUR excuse?

[QUOTE="Glutted"]

Original thread got locked for a personal attack on smokers, which I removed now.

Here is my opinion about smokers, it is my opinion and not a direct insult at any of you. This is intended to be a constructive conversation.

Smokers now face prejudice and personal attacks for their once glorious addiction, which may actually, combined with the smoking bans, increased taxes and increased awareness, help motivate them to quit.

The "you'll get lung cancer in 40 years if you don't quit!!!" kind of person fails to realize that smokers are drug addicts, slaves of nicotine, and quitting is not as easy as 1-2-3, and they were obviously smart enough to start in the first place. If they weren't devoid of any willpower to fight a drug that you do not physically need to survive, they would have quit much earlier. They most likely made the choice as teens, and had to stick with it and regret it for the rest of their [shortened] lives.

Counterarguments

Smoking is a personal choice

A choice that effects those around you on the streets trying to be healthy, forcing them to breathe in your Carbon Monoxide, Formaldehyde, Benzene, Cadmium, Vinyl Chloride, Arsenic, Lead, Toulene, Acetone, DDT, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and other carcinogenic or harmful substances. Non-smokers have a right to clean air wherever and whenever they want, and have priority over the 21% of smokers.

There's an old story about people in a lifeboat. A bored guy starts cutting a hole in the bottom of the boat. The others object, but the guy says "Why are you worried, the hole is under my seat!" This is the just like the inconsiderate smoker who lights up in a room full of people who aren't smoking.

MrGeezer

You could swim out of the lifeboat, but that would be inconvenient, and the 79% of the US population that doesn't smoke has priority over the smokers. Smoking should not have ANY impact on healthy people, they should not have to avoid everywhere someone lights a tube of poison, and should not have to breathe in. Smokers should have a rightsmoke as long as it does not hurt other strangers on the street, especially children.

Now don't get me wrong here, there are some responsible smokers that don't smoke in public or litter. But, in a way every smoker in irresponsible for supporting the tobacco industry.

[QUOTE="Sajo7"]

As long as smokers take care to avoid any other people while smoking let them. But don't smoke around me. :evil:

XileLord

However weed is a diffrent story since its not as bad but its illegal so ill shut up about illegal stuff so i dont get banned.

SHS actually causes 3,000 cases of lung cancer a year, and much more other non-fatal illnesses. Do you have desreased endurance?

I'm taking the South Park view. Some people don't have money or time for a real vacation, and having a cig is the only time off they get. What I hate is teenagers (or less common, adults) who just start smoking to look cool/everyone is doing it/they're bored. That's just stupid. Also, I like that restaurants and stuff are smoke free, but bars? Wtf is that? If you don't want to be around smoke, don't go to a bar, why should they make that illegal? I have no problem with people smoking in parks. These days, a lot of people think if they get some smoke blown in their face they're going to get cancer, it's pretty ****ing ridiculous.Darth_Tyrev

The people without money for a vacation probably won't have money for a pack-a-day addiction when it starts up. Smoking only makes you feel relaxed, it raises your hearbeat, blood pressure, and clogs your arteries.

...I smoke...I drink...sue me.

I think it's going a little over-bored with the smoking bans...Im fine with no smoking in restaurants...but none in bars? Thats freekin over doing it....I know people who quit going to bars because of the ban...they started buying their own liquor and just havin friends over for drinks...Isn't that bad news for the bar? Don't give me that "The ban will attract new customers" BS...I see only a few people on a busy night who dont have a pack on them....

[QUOTE="Jagg3d"]it's really bad how many people in the military smoke now a days too. Everyone does and this is going to sincerely hurt the long term soldier aspect of a career choice eventually.Sajo7

Well, as I recall soldiers were always avid smokers, I'd imagine maybe a tad less so today.

I thought so too, until I went to Iraq. Practically EVERYONE was smokin over there, I know I smoked my friggin brains out which is maybe why its been hard for me to quit now.

[QUOTE="MrGeezer"][QUOTE="Glutted"]

Original thread got locked for a personal attack on smokers, which I removed now.

Here is my opinion about smokers, it is my opinion and not a direct insult at any of you. This is intended to be a constructive conversation.

Smokers now face prejudice and personal attacks for their once glorious addiction, which may actually, combined with the smoking bans, increased taxes and increased awareness, help motivate them to quit.

The "you'll get lung cancer in 40 years if you don't quit!!!" kind of person fails to realize that smokers are drug addicts, slaves of nicotine, and quitting is not as easy as 1-2-3, and they were obviously smart enough to start in the first place. If they weren't devoid of any willpower to fight a drug that you do not physically need to survive, they would have quit much earlier. They most likely made the choice as teens, and had to stick with it and regret it for the rest of their [shortened] lives.

Counterarguments

Smoking is a personal choice

A choice that effects those around you on the streets trying to be healthy, forcing them to breathe in your Carbon Monoxide, Formaldehyde, Benzene, Cadmium, Vinyl Chloride, Arsenic, Lead, Toulene, Acetone, DDT, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide and other carcinogenic or harmful substances. Non-smokers have a right to clean air wherever and whenever they want, and have priority over the 21% of smokers.

There's an old story about people in a lifeboat. A bored guy starts cutting a hole in the bottom of the boat. The others object, but the guy says "Why are you worried, the hole is under my seat!" This is the just like the inconsiderate smoker who lights up in a room full of people who aren't smoking.

Glutted

You could swim out of the lifeboat, but that would be inconvenient, and the 79% of the US population that doesn't smoke has priority over the smokers. Smoking should not have ANY impact on healthy people, they should not have to avoid everywhere someone lights a tube of poison, and should not have to breathe in. Smokers should have a rightsmoke as long as it does not hurt other strangers on the street, especially children.

Now don't get me wrong here, there are some responsible smokers that don't smoke in public or litter. But, in a way every smoker in irresponsible for supporting the tobacco industry.

"It's all the Tobacco Industry's fault!" That's an arguement I'm SO TIRED of hearing, maybe cuz the majority of my fathers income comes from growing Tobacco and I know small farmers everywhere are losing money due to the lawsuits against Big Tobacco.

And to all those familes that got hundreds of millions cuz their dad/uncle/grandpa/third cousin died from smoking, go **** yourself. You make me sick.

You could swim out of the lifeboat, but that would be inconvenient, and the 79% of the US population that doesn't smoke has priority over the smokers. Smoking should not have ANY impact on healthy people, they should not have to avoid everywhere someone lights a tube of poison, and should not have to breathe in. Smokers should have a rightsmoke as long as it does not hurt other strangers on the street, especially children.

Now don't get me wrong here, there are some responsible smokers that don't smoke in public or litter. But, in a way every smoker in irresponsible for supporting the tobacco industry.

Glutted

Yeah, drowning is "inconvenient". :roll:

If smoking shouldn't have any impact on healthy people, then healthy people shouldn't be hanging out with people who are smoking. If you don't want them to have an impact on you, DON'T GO THERE. That's not exactly rocket science, dude.

You DON'T have to avoid every place where people are smoking. Just as smokers are allowed to personally decide whether or not to inhale smoke, you're allowed to personally decide if you want to inhale secondhand smoke.