I strongly support Israel

Before you clamor and call me a "Zionist" or something like that that, let me tell you that I will embrace whatever you say. I can't win on these forums, anyway. It's too polarized and divided when dealing with these subjects.

The groups that attack Israel with bombers and rockets are a parasite that must be exterminated. This is not grey, this is black and white. Forget subjection and relativism, that is naive and inconsiderate. Israel is not perfect, is the United States perfect? It's rhetorical. I'm patriotic (which is somewhat subjective). I'm not Jewish, and I'm not an expert on the intricacies on the Israeli government. However, I must go with what I know is right. Israel is not the villain.

It's so annoying to hear of Israel's "over reaction" to its enemies. This logic is ABJECT FAILURE. When evil strikes, you strike back harder to eliminate it so that even more innocent people will not DIE. "Oh, buh buh evil is teh subjective!" WWII ended decisively and peace came because of "over reaction" you might say. It's the truth, not pretty. Israel isn't even using atomic bombs, or using its full power. This is reality, not a fantasy land where everyone must be harmonius, becaue evil does exist and is illogical to the point where there's no other choice than to defeat it. The UN is ineffective, and Israel is one tiny nation surrounded by many bigger nations that often oppose them, and won't even respect them in times of tranquility.

If any ant-semitic people come in here and turn this into a Israel bash fest, I will contact a MOD to lock this thread. Try me. Oh, and please don't just come in here and post "I don't support either side." That's a waste of reading time. Thank you.

WWII ended decisively and peace came because of "over reaction" you might say.MayorJohnny

What is the point of this thread again?ghoklebutter

Read the thread title.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]What is the point of this thread again?-Jiggles-

Read the thread title.

I did when I saw this topic. All I'm saying is why did he have to make this topic? :?

Stupid question, I know. :P

Even anti-semetic christians support Israel. Simply because, in their beliefs, once jesus comes back to earth he will return to Israel and the apocolypse will take place. yucky_straw

That is precisley why US supports Israel.

Of course, US does not hate the Jews.

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I support Palestine over Israel, but not the terrorists or the warmongering governments of both. I'm sorry for all the civilians on both sides that are paying for this ridiculous strife, it really pisses me off.Neon-Tiger

[QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"]I support Palestine over Israel, but not the terrorists or the warmongering governments of both. I'm sorry for all the civilians on both sides that are paying for this ridiculous strife, it really pisses me off.MayorJohnny

It is most definitely gray. Israel's actions of blockading and starving 1.5 million people, using banned chemicals under the geneva conventions, abducting protected peoples, and denying relief are just a few of the injustices their nation has wraught. I'm not saying Hamas is shining roses. I dislike what Hamas has done as well. If this was a thread about Hamas being the greatest thing since sliced bread I would argue against them too. But to say that Israel is in the right here is laughable.Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"]I support Palestine over Israel, but not the terrorists or the warmongering governments of both. I'm sorry for all the civilians on both sides that are paying for this ridiculous strife, it really pisses me off.Neon-Tiger

I don't support either. I think they're both being completely irrational over a piece of worthless land that was supposidly promised to both of them by a god that doesn't exist.Bourbons3

[QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"]I support Palestine over Israel, but not the terrorists or the warmongering governments of both. I'm sorry for all the civilians on both sides that are paying for this ridiculous strife, it really pisses me off.MayorJohnny

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"]Even anti-semetic christians support Israel. Simply because, in their beliefs, once jesus comes back to earth he will return to Israel and the apocolypse will take place. ghoklebutter

That is precisley why US supports Israel.

Of course, US does not hate the Jews.

[QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I don't support either. I think they're both being completely irrational over a piece of worthless land that was supposidly promised to both of them by a god that doesn't exist.Neon-Tiger

Even anti-semetic christians support Israel. Simply because, in their beliefs, once jesus comes back to earth he will return to Israel and the apocolypse will take place. yucky_straw

That is precisley why US supports Israel.

Of course, US does not hate the Jews.

Hamas feels the need to spend resources and time on smuggling rockets rather then aiding their own people and then using those rockets against civilians -- not solely at Israeli soldiers or army camps; therefore, Hamas is a terrorist organization which needs to be eradicated, I pity all who support them.Stevo_the_gamer

Hamas feels the need to spend resources and time on smuggling rockets rather then aiding their own people and then using those rockets against civilians -- not solely at Israeli soldiers or army camps; therefore, Hamas is a terrorist organization which needs to be eradicated, I pity all who support them.Stevo_the_gamer

Political parties aside, who do you support? Israel or Palestine?

Despite your posting rules, I'm going to go ahead and say I don't support either side.

The conflict boils down to one side fighting against oppression from a much stronger neighbour, and the other side fighting to safeguard it's borders. There's not really any feasible solution in sight, and a full blown invasion resutling in many innocent civilian lives being lost is not an acceptable one.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Hamas feels the need to spend resources and time on smuggling rockets rather then aiding their own people and then using those rockets against civilians -- not solely at Israeli soldiers or army camps; therefore, Hamas is a terrorist organization which needs to be eradicated, I pity all who support them.Vandalvideo

Hamas feels the need to spend resources and time on smuggling rockets rather then aiding their own people and then using those rockets against civilians -- not solely at Israeli soldiers or army camps; therefore, Hamas is a terrorist organization which needs to be eradicated, I pity all who support them.Stevo_the_gamer

Not true. In the Bible, God tells us to support Israel. It's a sin for someone to be anti-semitic, so a Christian can't be. It's same way that racism is immoral.MayorJohnny

You say "not true", but then provide evidence supporting what he said. I'm confused.

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

That is precisley why US supports Israel.

Of course, US does not hate the Jews.

MayorJohnny

Yes, anti-semitism IS immoral.

And cite that statement from the bible.

[QUOTE="Neon-Tiger"][QUOTE="Bourbons3"]I don't support either. I think they're both being completely irrational over a piece of worthless land that was supposidly promised to both of them by a god that doesn't exist.MayorJohnny

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]Not true. In the Bible, God tells us to support Israel. It's a sin for someone to be anti-semitic, so a Christian can't be. It's same way that racism is immoral.Oleg_Huzwog

You say "not true", but then provide evidence supporting what he said. I'm confused.

[QUOTE="yucky_straw"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

That is precisley why US supports Israel.

Of course, US does not hate the Jews.

MayorJohnny

And I'm sure God does say to support Israel in the bible because that's where jesus will go when it's time to come back and kill all the jews and non believers.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Hamas feels the need to spend resources and time on smuggling rockets rather then aiding their own people and then using those rockets against civilians -- not solely at Israeli soldiers or army camps; therefore, Hamas is a terrorist organization which needs to be eradicated, I pity all who support them.Vandalvideo

Any person to buys weapons for its citizens over supplies and medicine deserves to die. :|

*yawn* You can hide behind Israel's actions all you such please, but rearming and continuing the "perpetual war" by provoking conflict only leads to this conflict in Gaza. Hamas brought it upon themselves by feeling the need to put weapons and arms above the position of their own people -- they don't even care for their own people, hence the reason they sacrifice so many (placing weapons in and near homes, seriously?) just to see the world place the blame on Israel.Any person to buys weapons for its citizens over supplies and medicine deserves to die. :| Stevo_the_gamer

It isn't terrorism because it isn't unprovoked. What are people doing around these groups anway? They should know to get away.MayorJohnny

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="yucky_straw"] I can't speculate as to exactly why the US as a country supports Israel, but I do know that most Americans support Israel because of Christianity. Like when that idiot 'Joe the Plumber' agreed with a McCain supporter's statement that 'A victory for Obama would be the death of Isreal.' Why do they care so much about Isreal? Because they're christians. It's a very sinister reason if you ask me. Christians believe that once jesus returns to Israel, all the Jews and non believers will be killed and sent to hell while jesus' followers will live forever in heaven. yucky_straw

And I'm sure God does say to support Israel in the bible because that's where jesus will go when it's time to come back and kill all the jews and non believers.

No, they ARE NOT Christians. They are false. Anti-semitism and racism is immoral and always will be.

The only problem is that from a counter-insurgency perspective the Israeli tactics are totally counterproductive. This campaign is the greatest recruiting tool AQ, Hamas and every other extremist institution have going for them.

The Israelis are legitimizing future attacks.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"] It isn't terrorism because it isn't unprovoked. What are people doing around these groups anway? They should know to get away.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]*yawn* You can hide behind Israel's actions all you such please, but rearming and continuing the "perpetual war" by provoking conflict only leads to this conflict in Gaza. Hamas brought it upon themselves by feeling the need to put weapons and arms above the position of their own people -- they don't even care for their own people, hence the reason they sacrifice so many (placing weapons in and near homes, seriously?) just to see the world place the blame on Israel.Any person to buys weapons for its citizens over supplies and medicine deserves to die. :| Vandalvideo

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Hamas feels the need to spend resources and time on smuggling rockets rather then aiding their own people and then using those rockets against civilians -- not solely at Israeli soldiers or army camps; therefore, Hamas is a terrorist organization which needs to be eradicated, I pity all who support them.MayorJohnny

Yeah, because there are MYRIAD places to hide.:roll:

I'd add that even though it is a bit of a sticky issue, the Israeli response is nowhere near commensurate to the threat. It's like a Mexican drug cartel killing one border patrol agent and the US military going in and killing tens of thousands of Mexicans in response.

I've seen you countless times attempt to justify Hamas' actions because of the blockade. I have yet to see you condemn Hamas and their actions.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"] It isn't terrorism because it isn't unprovoked. What are people doing around these groups anway? They should know to get away.Stevo_the_gamer

The only problem is that from a counter-insurgency perspective the Israeli tactics are totally counterproductive. This campaign is the greatest recruiting tool AQ, Hamas and every other extremist institution have going for them.

The Israelis are legitimizing future attacks.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"] It isn't terrorism because it isn't unprovoked. What are people doing around these groups anway? They should know to get away.MayorJohnny

The Zionists are "bullies," not the Israelis.