I think destiny/fate can be scientifically proved.

Unfortunately, I'm wyrd not to believe you :P

Unfortunately, I'm wyrd not to believe you :P

MetroidPrimePwn

And why is that?

The choice is based predominately on your upbringing, your surroundigns and your experience in your life.. People do not have fate, it can not be scientifically proven. The philospher Kane talked about this alot on how our decisions in life are actually made.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

Unfortunately, I'm wyrd not to believe you :P

nVidiaGaMer

And why is that?

I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?Drakes_Fortune

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds_theory

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?clubsammich91

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds_theory

That's just our personality influencing our decision. I wouldn't call it "fate".

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?MrPraline

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds_theory

That's just our personality influencing our decision. I wouldn't call it "fate".

SpidersRMe

That's just our personality influencing our decision. I wouldn't call it "fate".

[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Science has beaten you to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many_worlds_theory

Drakes_Fortune

[QUOTE="SpidersRMe"]That's just our personality influencing our decision. I wouldn't call it "fate".Drakes_Fortune

That's just our personality influencing our decision. I wouldn't call it "fate".

[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] No you dont get it. Damm its hard to make people understand this. Your focusing too much on personality and such, and besides do you think you get a personality out of nowhere? that personality is build based on another events.Drakes_Fortune

I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?Drakes_Fortune

I agree and I can take a stab at explaining it better (though I usually fail miserably when I try to explain this to people. Maybe typing it will make it a bit clearer). The macroscopic universe is bound by causality. Something happens, therefore something happens as a result. This is readily apparent when it comes to the physical movement of objects. The movements of every object in the universe are bound by the laws of physics (ignoring quantum mechanics. I really don't want to see 50 posts in response to this that talk about the uncertainty principal) and therefore, since the beginning of time, they have only been able to move in one pre-determined path. Every movement they make happens for a reason and could happen in no other way.

This idea can also be extended to humans, however, the laws that govern human decision making are much more complex than those that govern the movement of objects. Because of all of the factors that contribute to human decision-making, we assume that they are random, that we have some sort of choice. In reality, however, our choices are as determined as the path of a rock I drop from my hand. Based upon our past experiences and our genetic makeup (which, again is determined in the same obvious way as all other objects. DNA is a physical object and therefore governed by physical laws), our brains can make one and only one decision given each situation. Both human decision-making and the way inanimate objects behave are determined events, mere reactions to stimuli. This is the kind of "fate" you describe (at least I think).

i have to agree that it cannot be scientifcally proven. i thnk that ur decisions are influencedby our surrpundings, upbringing , and past. even if there is such a thing as destny/fate it wouldn't be able to be scientifically proven, or at least with the technology we have available now.

i have to agree that it cannot be scientifcally proven. i thnk that ur decisions are influencedby our surrpundings, upbringing , and past. even if there is such a thing as destny/fate it wouldn't be able to be scientifically proven, or at least with the technology we have available now.

steve2592

And if those things are predetermined, then the decisions you make based upon them are too.

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?HomicidalCherry

I agree and I can take a stab at explaining it better (though I usually fail miserably when I try to explain this to people. Maybe typing it will make it a bit clearer). The macroscopic universe is bound by causality. Something happens, therefore something happens as a result. This is readily apparent when it comes to the physical movement of objects. The movements of every object in the universe are bound by the laws of physics (ignoring quantum mechanics. I really don't want to see 50 posts in response to this that talk about the uncertainty principal) and therefore, since the beginning of time, they have only been able to move in one pre-determined path. Every movement they make happens for a reason and could happen in no other way.

This idea can also be extended to humans, however, the laws that govern human decision making are much more complex than those that govern the movement of objects. Because of all of the factors that contribute to human decision-making, we assume that they are random, that we have some sort of choice. In reality, however, our choices are as determined as the path of a rock I drop from my hand. Based upon our past experiences and our genetic makeup (which, again is determined in the same obvious way as all other objects. DNA is a physical object and therefore governed by physical laws), our brains can make one and only one decision given each situation. Both human decision-making and the way inanimate objects behave are determined events, mere reactions to stimuli. This is the kind of "fate" you describe (at least I think).

Damm maybe this isnt the best example, this is something that i really cant explain.Drakes_Fortune

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]Damm maybe this isnt the best example, this is something that i really cant explain.SpidersRMe

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?HomicidalCherry

I agree and I can take a stab at explaining it better (though I usually fail miserably when I try to explain this to people. Maybe typing it will make it a bit clearer). The macroscopic universe is bound by causality. Something happens, therefore something happens as a result. This is readily apparent when it comes to the physical movement of objects. The movements of every object in the universe are bound by the laws of physics (ignoring quantum mechanics. I really don't want to see 50 posts in response to this that talk about the uncertainty principal) and therefore, since the beginning of time, they have only been able to move in one pre-determined path. Every movement they make happens for a reason and could happen in no other way.

This idea can also be extended to humans, however, the laws that govern human decision making are much more complex than those that govern the movement of objects. Because of all of the factors that contribute to human decision-making, we assume that they are random, that we have some sort of choice. In reality, however, our choices are as determined as the path of a rock I drop from my hand. Based upon our past experiences and our genetic makeup (which, again is determined in the same obvious way as all other objects. DNA is a physical object and therefore governed by physical laws), our brains can make one and only one decision given each situation. Both human decision-making and the way inanimate objects behave are determined events, mere reactions to stimuli. This is the kind of "fate" you describe (at least I think).

[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?xaos

I agree and I can take a stab at explaining it better (though I usually fail miserably when I try to explain this to people. Maybe typing it will make it a bit clearer). The macroscopic universe is bound by causality. Something happens, therefore something happens as a result. This is readily apparent when it comes to the physical movement of objects. The movements of every object in the universe are bound by the laws of physics (ignoring quantum mechanics. I really don't want to see 50 posts in response to this that talk about the uncertainty principal) and therefore, since the beginning of time, they have only been able to move in one pre-determined path. Every movement they make happens for a reason and could happen in no other way.

This idea can also be extended to humans, however, the laws that govern human decision making are much more complex than those that govern the movement of objects. Because of all of the factors that contribute to human decision-making, we assume that they are random, that we have some sort of choice. In reality, however, our choices are as determined as the path of a rock I drop from my hand. Based upon our past experiences and our genetic makeup (which, again is determined in the same obvious way as all other objects. DNA is a physical object and therefore governed by physical laws), our brains can make one and only one decision given each situation. Both human decision-making and the way inanimate objects behave are determined events, mere reactions to stimuli. This is the kind of "fate" you describe (at least I think).

[QUOTE="HomicidalCherry"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?xaos

I agree and I can take a stab at explaining it better (though I usually fail miserably when I try to explain this to people. Maybe typing it will make it a bit clearer). The macroscopic universe is bound by causality. Something happens, therefore something happens as a result. This is readily apparent when it comes to the physical movement of objects. The movements of every object in the universe are bound by the laws of physics (ignoring quantum mechanics. I really don't want to see 50 posts in response to this that talk about the uncertainty principal) and therefore, since the beginning of time, they have only been able to move in one pre-determined path. Every movement they make happens for a reason and could happen in no other way.

This idea can also be extended to humans, however, the laws that govern human decision making are much more complex than those that govern the movement of objects. Because of all of the factors that contribute to human decision-making, we assume that they are random, that we have some sort of choice. In reality, however, our choices are as determined as the path of a rock I drop from my hand. Based upon our past experiences and our genetic makeup (which, again is determined in the same obvious way as all other objects. DNA is a physical object and therefore governed by physical laws), our brains can make one and only one decision given each situation. Both human decision-making and the way inanimate objects behave are determined events, mere reactions to stimuli. This is the kind of "fate" you describe (at least I think).

I wiki'd it and I don't know integral calculus or differential equations, so you're gonna have to explain it in laymen's terms for me lol.

Well this as been proved already hasnt it? Drakes_Fortune

Also, you wrote "as" instead of "has", so I'm imagining you with an accent now. It's funnier that way.

I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?Drakes_Fortune

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]Well this as been proved already hasnt it? SpidersRMe

Also, you wrote "as" instead of "has", so I'm imagining you with an accent now. It's funnier that way.

Hmm since no one is posting anymore i would assume you think im right, right? I mean after all, modesty apart, it actually seems a very reasonable explanation for " destiny" right?Drakes_Fortune

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?danwallacefan

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]Hmm since no one is posting anymore i would assume you think im right, right? I mean after all, modesty apart, it actually seems a very reasonable explanation for " destiny" right?SpidersRMe

If science discovers destiny/fate, then there is no point in living.

[QUOTE="danwallacefan"]

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"]I dont know if i can explain this the way i want cause my english sucks, but its all a series of small things that are are continually triggering. For example when you make a choice, theres always a reason for that choice, its not random, you may not think about it, but thers always a reason that makes you choose that option instead of the other. And that choice you make will eventually influenciate the next thing, and the next, and the next and so on. It happens on such a small level that you dont notice, but you are being unfluenciated on your choices without even noticing. You might not believe, you may believe that your the own in control of it. But its all a series of events triggred since you were born. Even before you were born. Nothing happens by chance. Everything as an explanation for why it happens. Destiny/fate isnt something supernatural IMO. I didnt used to believe in it either, but after you think in a logical way it kinda makes sense. I think this can be explained better, it can even be scientifically explained. So what you think?Drakes_Fortune

Now that being said, the problem is that you are trying to "prove" that fate exists. However, if fate exists, then you didn't come to believe in it by logically thinking through the argument. Rather, you came to belief in fate because you were *fated* to believe in fate.

If science discovers destiny/fate, then there is no point in living.

Rob0_Jesus

[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"][QUOTE="danwallacefan"] Your argument is self-refuting. You did not come to belief in fatalism through rational inquiry, you were merely fated to believe in fatalism.

danwallacefan

Now that being said, the problem is that you are trying to "prove" that fate exists. However, if fate exists, then you didn't come to believe in it by logically thinking through the argument. Rather, you came to belief in fate because you were *fated* to believe in fate.

lol WTF? My brain it hurts. and i dont like this to be called fate, fate kinda gives this a more supernatural meaning. and this isnt supernatural at all, its all a matter of laws of physic and stuff like that.Drakes_Fortune

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[QUOTE="Drakes_Fortune"] can you explain that better? And read what homicidalcherry wrote on his post for a better explanation of what im trying to say.Drakes_Fortune

Now that being said, the problem is that you are trying to "prove" that fate exists. However, if fate exists, then you didn't come to believe in it by logically thinking through the argument. Rather, you came to belief in fate because you were *fated* to believe in fate.