If a tree falls in a forest and noones there, does it make a sound?

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#1 WiiMan21
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Does it?

I also want to hear peoples opinions on it.

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#2 testfactor888
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Yep it makes a crash and a squish noise. What was that squish you say? Well it was Father Squirrel... he was unfortunately in the path of the falling tree. Than of course follows the crys and screams of Mama Squirrel saying why god why in her squirrel squeals. Just because I am not there to hear it does not make it any less heartbreaking.
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#3 KidCudi37
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I'd think so.
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#4 THE_DRUGGIE
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No, because they don't have mouths.

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#5 carrot-cake
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Ahahaha, what a guy.

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#6 Pixel-Pirate
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Yes. This can be proven by leaving a tape recorder around and then coming back and listening to it.

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#7 brandontwb
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Set up a microphone in a forest, near a tree. Leave forest, set off trigger that makes the tree fall. Retrieve recorder. Yes, it did make a sound.
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#8 WiiMan21
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I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

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#9 KHAndAnime
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Depends what it lands on.
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#10 THE_DRUGGIE
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Set up a microphone in a forest, near a tree. Leave forest, set off trigger that makes the tree fall. Retrieve recorder. Yes, it did make a sound.brandontwb

But what if someone replaces your recorder with another one that has the sound of a tree falling that the person was around to hear?

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#11 HomicidalCherry
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Literally EXACTLY what that guy said while you were playing Team Fortress 2. If you define sound in such a way that it is conditional on perception, then someone must be around to hear the sound in order for the sound to exist. If you define a sound as the physical vibration and movement of the molecules and hearing as the perception of these movements, then it does make a sound regardless of whetehr or not someone is around to hear it as the phsyical effects still occur regardless of whether or not someone is around.

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#12 F1_2004
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:| I think the riddle implies that there's noone or nothing around to hear it.
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#13 carrot-cake
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I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

WiiMan21


I did, the fact that he managed to do that so concise, quickly and clearly with that accent is what basically made my day today.

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#14 yentlequible
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I don't know who made up that stupid myth anyway... It doesn't even make sense. To answer your question, yes.
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#15 WiiMan21
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:| I think the riddle implies that there's noone or nothing around to hear it.F1_2004

This.

And I'm sure that if your even close enough to detenate an explosive near the tree, you must be able to heard it.

And also, what if the guy who had the recorder held it while it was falling?

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#16 Snipes_2
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I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

WiiMan21
That was pretty funny at the end "Haha Screw you guys we Win!". British guy was annoying.
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#17 WiiMan21
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[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

carrot-cake


I did, the fact that he managed to do that so concise, quickly and clearly with that accent is what basically made my day today.

I was surprised as well.

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#18 Pikdum
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I almost died from laughter in that video.

No seriously, I have asthma...

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#19 WiiMan21
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[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

Snipes_2
That was pretty funny at the end "Haha Screw you guys we Win!". British guy was annoying.

Are you serious...Hes the entire reason for this thread... The way he managed to explain the theory of sound perception in 20 seconds is just insane.
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#20 testfactor888
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I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

WiiMan21
I watched it finally as honestly I diden't in the first place. He's a smart one he is =p I have been debating on getting Team Fortress 2, man it looks like fun to me.
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#21 carrot-cake
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[QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

Snipes_2

That was pretty funny at the end "Haha Screw you guys we Win!". British guy was annoying.


How was he annyoing? Hes absolutely correct. The reactions to his answer were far more funny.

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#22 o0Pwnzorz0o
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Well, you see, it's rather a question whether sound is a technical detail or merely a matter of perception. Now, if you're counting it as a matter of perception, then yes, someone has to be there to hear it, but for counting the sound as the manipulation of air waves and molecules bouncing off each other, then no, nobody has to be there for a sound to exist.

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#23 Snipes_2
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="WiiMan21"]

I have a feeling that most of you guys aren't even watching the video I posted...

carrot-cake

That was pretty funny at the end "Haha Screw you guys we Win!". British guy was annoying.


How was he annyoing? Hes absolutely correct. The reactions to his answer were far more funny.

I just found him annoying with this remark "Because I'm not an Idiot".

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#24 F1_2004
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British guy didn't give an answer, he just restated the question in a buzzkill kind of way.
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#25 WiiMan21
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[QUOTE="carrot-cake"]

[QUOTE="Snipes_2"] That was pretty funny at the end "Haha Screw you guys we Win!". British guy was annoying. Snipes_2


How was he annyoing? Hes absolutely correct. The reactions to his answer were far more funny.

I just found him annoying with this remark "Because I'm not an Idiot".

Because hes not? He was referring to the fact that everyone was astounded by the way he "answered" his question.

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#26 MrGeezer
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Yes. This can be proven by leaving a tape recorder around and then coming back and listening to it.

Pixel-Pirate

1) You're only determining that a sound was made by listening to the recording.

2) When you listen to the recorrding, the sound you hear isn't coming from the falling tree. The sound is coming from the recorder.

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#27 testfactor888
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[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

Yes. This can be proven by leaving a tape recorder around and then coming back and listening to it.

MrGeezer

1) You're only determining that a sound was made by listening to the recording.

2) When you listen to the recorrding, the sound you hear isn't coming from the falling tree. The sound is coming from the recorder.

I can't say exactly why but your second statement gave me the impression that if I ever get into legal trouble you might likely be an excellent defense attorney.
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#28 Link334
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Pwned. But damn, that dude was fast and the british accent made it even better :P
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#29 th3warr1or
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The British guy was brilliant.
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#30 chAzN93
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yes they do
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#31 gamerguru100
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Yes, it makes a sound. Just because a human isn't there to hear it doesn't mean it didn't make a sound.

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#32 Dark_Knight6
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What is said in the video is true. Learned that in an entry level psychology class. For it to make the loud crash one expects, someone has to be there to hear it. But if you're looking at sound as being a traveling wave of pressure, than it will exist regardless of whether or not it is heard.

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#33 Ceraby
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It make s a sound, just that no one's there to hear it.

Yep it makes a crash and a squish noise. What was that squish you say? Well it was Father Squirrel... he was unfortunately in the path of the falling tree. Than of course follows the crys and screams of Mama Squirrel saying why god why in her squirrel squeals. Just because I am not there to hear it does not make it any less heartbreaking.testfactor888

infalliable logic :lol:

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#34 medic36
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It creates sound waves. If there is no ear nearby to interpret the sound waves, there is no sound but the sound waves still exist.

edit: lmao I just watched the video. That was funny and true.

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#35 jetpower3
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I have a better question: if a Tomahawk missile knows where it is by knowing where it isn't, and it lands in the middle of the forest, did it get there by moving from where it was to where it wasn't, and where it now is? And does it still know where it is after the missile explodes and there are many places where it is, and not as many where it isn't?

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#36 Melpoe
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Yes they scream very loudly and blame god.

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#37 lazerface216
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LOL that video was hilarious. makes me want to play some TF2 on pc.

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#38 194197844077667059316682358889
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Sound: 1 a : a particular auditory impression : tone b : the sensation perceived by the sense of hearing

Apparently not
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"If my wife argues with me and I'm not listening, am I still wrong?"
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#41 m0zart
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I have a better question: if a Tomahawk missile knows where it is by knowing where it isn't, and it lands in the middle of the forest, did it get there by moving from where it was to where it wasn't, and where it now is? And does it still know where it is after the missile explodes and there are many places where it is, and not as many where it isn't?jetpower3

Heh, I like that one much better.

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#42 br0kenrabbit
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Some Quantum theorist say that if a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it, there is no tree nor forest. Anything not being actively observed 'blurs' out of existence. Kinda along the same lines as Schrödinger's cat.

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#43 TroubleMaker411
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That video was, without a doubt, the best bit of online smack talk EVER

i just pissed my self laughing.

who knew stephen hawkin played TF2

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#44 markop2003
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Depends if the forest is in a vacuum or not.
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#45 Upparoom
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Does it?

I also want to hear peoples opinions on it.

WiiMan21
Is it just me or does the British sound expert sound like Cary Elwes
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#46 applesxc47
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Of course it does.

Just because there's no one there to prove it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

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#47 MrGeezer
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Of course it does.

Just because there's no one there to prove it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

applesxc47

What does infrared light look like?

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#48 194197844077667059316682358889
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[QUOTE="applesxc47"]

Of course it does.

Just because there's no one there to prove it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

MrGeezer

What does infrared light look like?

Duh, red but more so
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#49 SolidSnake35
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How do we know the tree fell?
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#50 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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I would think yes it makes sound..physically..but no one is around to hear it..so it could be said that it makes no sound because no one realizes it has fallen..