If they could think, reason, and create just as well as us, would they be our peers? Or simply our servants?
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If they could think, reason, and create just as well as us, would they be our peers? Or simply our servants?
I already like the Half Life series more than I like most people.Engrish_Major
I work in retail, so same as above, except mine's with Pong.
I don't think it will progress to that point, because eventually someone will stop and see how dumb it would be.
To answer your question, no, they'd be servents, they are not people, and we build them for a reason, most reasons are not to interact with I'm sure.
No atleast at any AI system imaginable at the moment it is simply cause and effect, that's not real intelligence imomarkop2003
It seems to me that one could argue that humans are no different and that our system of cause and effect is just extremely complicated.
[QUOTE="markop2003"]No atleast at any AI system imaginable at the moment it is simply cause and effect, that's not real intelligence imoGabuEx
It seems to me that one could argue that humans are no different and thatour system of cause and effect is just extremely complicated.
Perhaps, but we are not built in factories by men putting parts into place. We are organic beings and we interpret that as more precious than simple AI, which I believe is a good thing. If they start to feel and have emotions we need to step backwards a few steps.It's funny you make this topic, since I just beat Star Ocean: Till the End of Time yesterday.
But anywho, If you do mean that AI somehow gains our level of intellegence and reason, as well as somehow evolves and gains emotions and feelings and become beings that are able to decide for themselves and choose their own path, etc., like any of us real people can, then I think they should be treated as equals.
If they have progressed to the point of being able to think freely and make human decisions, then yea they should.
Until they have emotions and respect then no. I say respect as our ancestors were considered human by historians when they were believed to start to bury and respect the dead, well I think anyway.
Not to be a party pooper but IF that is even possible I think it is dangerous without some sort of safety. They would likely be stronger than us afterall but before we get to that lets look at the basic.If they have progressed to the point of being able to think freely and make human decisions, then yea they should.
Ingenemployee
AI will never have true feelings, emotions or learn things on its own, even if it was able to pick up information some how in the future humans would have given him that ability.
AI does not have "life", so why would we treat them equally when we don't even treat plants and animals equally.
None of these "yes" answers make sense to me honestly.
[QUOTE="markop2003"]No atleast at any AI system imaginable at the moment it is simply cause and effect, that's not real intelligence imoGabuEx
It seems to me that one could argue that humans are no different and that our system of cause and effect is just extremely complicated.
Yeah, I think that determinism is the best explanation for the way the mind works.
Not to be a party pooper but IF that is even possible I think it is dangerous without some sort of safety. They would likely be stronger than us afterall but before we get to that lets look at the basic.[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
If they have progressed to the point of being able to think freely and make human decisions, then yea they should.
falconclan
AI will never have true feelings, emotions or learn things on its own, even if it was able to pick up information some how in the future humans would have given him that ability.
AI does not have "life", so why would we treat them equally when we don't even treat plants and animals equally.
None of these "yes" answers make sense to me honestly.
I agree that the creation of highly advanced AI is dangerous and should be avoided or attempted only with extreme caution. Personally I don't think whether something is actually living should factor into whether or not it is given rights. The reason we don't give equal rights to animals is because they are unable to think at the same level of humans. I think that rights should be awarded based on the level of conscious thought it is able to achieve. Whether or not something is naturally occurring is irrelevant to that.[QUOTE="falconclan"]Not to be a party pooper but IF that is even possible I think it is dangerous without some sort of safety. They would likely be stronger than us afterall but before we get to that lets look at the basic.[QUOTE="Ingenemployee"]
If they have progressed to the point of being able to think freely and make human decisions, then yea they should.
thriteenthmonke
AI will never have true feelings, emotions or learn things on its own, even if it was able to pick up information some how in the future humans would have given him that ability.
AI does not have "life", so why would we treat them equally when we don't even treat plants and animals equally.
None of these "yes" answers make sense to me honestly.
I agree that the creation of highly advanced AI is dangerous and should be avoided or attempted only with extreme caution. Personally I don't think whether something is actually living should factor into whether or not it is given rights. The reason we don't give equal rights to animals is because they are unable to think at the same level of humans. I think that rights should be awarded based on the level of conscious thought it is able to achieve. Whether or not something is naturally occurring is irrelevant to that. they have some rights though, I personally don't think AI should be given any rights. Why do they need them, if I break my computer is anything truly harmed? No. Its really the same thing. The computer is of value to me, but not really anyone else.Yeah, I think that determinism is the best explanation for the way the mind works.-Chimera-Determinism isn't able to completely answer mental questions. If only it was the case though.
AI of that level would most likely become a discriminated group. On principal however, yes, par-human or superhuman AI would deserve the same social position as humans. All humans are is computers anyway.NBSRDanUmm, just no. I will never agree that they deserve right though, they are objects.
Umm, just no. I will never agree that they deserve right though, they are objects. Let's be a bit unrealistic. What if they were androids?[QUOTE="NBSRDan"]AI of that level would most likely become a discriminated group. On principal however, yes, par-human or superhuman AI would deserve the same social position as humans. All humans are is computers anyway.falconclan
[QUOTE="-Chimera-"]Yeah, I think that determinism is the best explanation for the way the mind works.VandalvideoDeterminism isn't able to completely answer mental questions. If only it was the case though.
Didn't say it could. I just think it's the most likely and logical explanation.
[QUOTE="falconclan"]Umm, just no. I will never agree that they deserve right though, they are objects. Let's be a bit unrealistic. What if they were androids? Thats just a robot with skin and ultra AI. Its different from a human and is still an object. It can become really intelligent, and it can even develop feelings, but it will never be a living being, and certainly never human.[QUOTE="NBSRDan"]AI of that level would most likely become a discriminated group. On principal however, yes, par-human or superhuman AI would deserve the same social position as humans. All humans are is computers anyway.CRS98
Why would they need to be at our level? People argue for animals in zoos because they have less free will than if they existed out in nature. IF robots have the ability to think for themselves, regardless of the level, and adapt then what makes us think they are not alive? They are merely parts brought together with electricity that allwos them to work, just as we are and other animals are.
I say yeah, I mean at the end of the day our emotions, thoughts, and behaviors are created by electrical impulses, so if they are technically the same, then why not? Although, it would be hard to get rid of the natural power difference that would exist considering we created them...
It seems to me that one could argue that humans are no different and that our system of cause and effect is just extremely complicated.
GabuEx
I agree, great point.
Umm, just no. I will never agree that they deserve right though, they are objects. I don't find the physical composition important in this case. If you were able to create a fully capable human mind running inside a machine then I believe that it should be treated the same as a human because the important part is the same. A consciousness is the result in both cases, too me the only thing that is different is the process my which that result is manifested, and that is unimportant to me. Too me the physical aspects of life are vastly less important than thought and consciousness. I value my life much less than my consciousness and ability to think. The human mind is the single most important characteristic defining people as individuals and as a species. In everyday life I'm not concerned with the specific processes that result in the way they think (and the actions resulting from their thoughts), but the results of those processes is very important. If a machine can think in a manner identical to humans I would consider the resulting consciousness to deserve the same rights as people because the process behind that consciousness is unimportant to me.[QUOTE="NBSRDan"]AI of that level would most likely become a discriminated group. On principal however, yes, par-human or superhuman AI would deserve the same social position as humans. All humans are is computers anyway.falconclan
[QUOTE="falconclan"]Umm, just no. I will never agree that they deserve right though, they are objects. I don't find the physical composition important in this case. If you were able to create a fully capable human mind running inside a machine then I believe that it should be treated the same as a human because the important part is the same. A consciousness is the result in both cases, too me the only thing that is different is the process my which that result is manifested, and that is unimportant to me. Too me the physical aspects of life are vastly less important than thought and consciousness. I value my life much less than my consciousness and ability to think. The human mind is the single most important characteristic defining people as individuals and as a species. In everyday life I'm not concerned with the specific processes that result in the way they think (and the actions resulting from their thoughts), but the results of those processes is very important. If a machine can think in a manner identical to humans I would consider the resulting consciousness to deserve the same rights as people because the process behind that consciousness is unimportant to me. but I believe the fact that we are alive is what gives us rights, otherwise you are essentially just an object. Animals don't have the rights of humans, but they are living so they have some rights. Plants areliving and cant think but we try to respect them because we need them to live. Tv's are objects, we posess them and replace them when they get old. Computers are objects, we keep them around when they are useful and trash them when they are no longer useful. Robots and AI are objects and programs, they have no more value than a computer. I will not sway on that point, not that itsexactly important at this point.[QUOTE="NBSRDan"]AI of that level would most likely become a discriminated group. On principal however, yes, par-human or superhuman AI would deserve the same social position as humans. All humans are is computers anyway.thriteenthmonke
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