If people are going to say Islam is violent....

...based on some of the people who follow it (fundamentalists), wouldn't it only be fair to do the same with other religions, such as Christianity, and therefore say that Christianity is violent as well? When people criticize Islam for being violent and point to 9/11, the terror attacks in the Middle East, and oppressive treatment from the government in Saudi as their basis, isn't it only fair to look at events of violence involving Christians as well?

For instance, the Crusades where thousands upon thousands were killed, the Inquisition, the Salem witch hunts where women were boiled alive/drowned/hanged, the genocide and near-extinction of the Native Americans, the slavery of Africans in the U.S., the Holocaust...since these were spurred by Christians wouldn't people who say Islam is violent have to say the same about Christianity for the sake of credibility? It just wouldn't make sense if Islam is called out as the singlemost violent religion.

Anyway, in case any of you have gotten the wrong idea, one obviously can't label a religion as violent based on some of its followers being extremists or terrorists, since it doesn't reflect the actual teachings of the book that the religion originates from. Surely, there are many Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus etc. who may be extremists or terrorists, but how can you judge their religion based on their actions? Why not, instead, look at the majority of the followers who don't commit acts of violence and judge the religion on the basis of that? It makes more sense, anyway.

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

That is true. The problem is that the generations alive today get to experience first hand Islam being used as a means to deliver death, suffering, and malice. No one on these forums were alive during the Crusades. The native american I have to say was less about christianity and more about common territory. I will give you the Holocaust. Not slavery of africans in the U.S. however.

But Islam is the evil religion in the world TODAY. CreasianDevaili

Maybe based on the people who follow it...it indicates nothing about the teachings of the religion itself. The Qur'an never says anything that condones killing an innocent person. In fact it explicitly states that killing one innocent person is the equivalent of killing entire mankind in terms of sin.

F*** religions. Especially ones that do and have done way more harm than good.

Islam and Christianity are the worst.

[QUOTE="CreasianDevaili"]That is true. The problem is that the generations alive today get to experience first hand Islam being used as a means to deliver death, suffering, and malice. No one on these forums were alive during the Crusades. The native american I have to say was less about christianity and more about common territory. I will give you the Holocaust. Not slavery of africans in the U.S. however.

But Islam is the evil religion in the world TODAY.

Maybe based on the people who follow it...it indicates nothing about the teachings of the religion itself. The Qur'an never says anything that condones killing an innocent person. In fact it explicitly states that killing one innocent person is the equivalent of killing entire mankind in terms of sin.

You're a little late.

That's really a stereotype, but even if it wasn't Islam has nothing on Christianity in terms of genocide.Fightingfan

Shamanism is up there as well seeing as Gengis K was one. Not exactly a religion but still.

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

Ilovegames1992

There's plenty of Buddhist c*nts out there.

If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.ehhwhatever

Please provide a legit source stating that a green flag over Mecca means a crusade against non-Muslims is on. And yes, plese provide that quote complete with context.

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.worlock77

Please provide a legit source stating that a green flag over Mecca means a crusade against non-Muslims is on. And yes, plese provide that quote complete with context.

Violence is an aside to one of the many issues with that archaic belief system. Every religion can be violent all it takes is for someone to interpret what they've read differently and thats where it begins. The main issue with that faith is that is truly is backwards. Christians separated church & state a century ago. The main problem with islam is that they have no formal control over who teaches what. Any joe can start up a mosque and preach whatever they want. That and for the most part the savage countries they come from are 3rd world with zero education except for what brainwashing they receive in the mosque. Thats where the violence comes from.

Violence is an aside to one of the many issues with that archaic belief system. Every religion can be violent all it takes is for someone to interpret what they've read differently and thats where it begins. The main issue with that faith is that is truly is backwards. Christians separated church & state a century ago. The main problem with islam is that they have no formal control over who teaches what. Any joe can start up a mosque and preach whatever they want. That and for the most part the savage countries they come from are 3rd world with zero education except for what brainwashing they receive in the mosque. Thats where the violence comes from.

Skarwolf

Any Joe can start a Christian church and preach whatever he wants. It's not like there's exactly centralized control over Christianity ether.

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.worlock77

Please provide a legit source stating that a green flag over Mecca means a crusade against non-Muslims is on. And yes, plese provide that quote complete with context.

I mean the TC is right in saying that it's wrong for someone to say Islam is violent and Christianity isn't, but to be honest both are f***ing evil and anti-progressive.

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[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.ehhwhatever

Please provide a legit source stating that a green flag over Mecca means a crusade against non-Muslims is on. And yes, plese provide that quote complete with context.

So your source is a 19th century"dictionary" of myths? Sorry, but you're going to have to do a little better than that.

I don't think so. For instance, I don't think Christianity today wants to rule the entire world. Can't say the same about Islam.

All of the Abrahamic religions are pretty goddamn violent. -Sun_Tzu-

Everyone is violent, we just have the idea of Middle-East being more than the others because of the media.

At the risk of sounding like a douche, you could argue that Islam is inherently more violent than Christianity, since the central figure of Christianity was a man who never led an army, preached that "those who live by the sword die by the sword," and was put to death by the state while allegedly asking God to forgive his executioners; whereas the central figure of Islam was an expansionistic warlord who was apparently capable of great brutality, and whose successors created through force a worldly community stretching from Portugal to the borders of India.fidosim

You could make that argument. You could also make the argument, since the man is claimed to be God, that the central figure of Christianity is a jealous, expansionist manaic who ordered his followers to commit genocide for land.

[QUOTE="fidosim"]At the risk of sounding like a douche, you could argue that Islam is inherently more violent than Christianity, since the central figure of Christianity was a man who never led an army, preached that "those who live by the sword die by the sword," and was put to death by the state while allegedly asking God to forgive his executioners; whereas the central figure of Islam was an expansionistic warlord who was apparently capable of great brutality, and whose successors created through force a worldly community stretching from Portugal to the borders of India.worlock77

You could make that argument. You could also make the argument, since the man is claimed to be God, that the central figure of Christianity is a jealous, expansionist manaic who ordered his followers to commit genocide for land.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"]At the risk of sounding like a douche, you could argue that Islam is inherently more violent than Christianity, since the central figure of Christianity was a man who never led an army, preached that "those who live by the sword die by the sword," and was put to death by the state while allegedly asking God to forgive his executioners; whereas the central figure of Islam was an expansionistic warlord who was apparently capable of great brutality, and whose successors created through force a worldly community stretching from Portugal to the borders of India.fidosim

You could make that argument. You could also make the argument, since the man is claimed to be God, that the central figure of Christianity is a jealous, expansionist manaic who ordered his followers to commit genocide for land.

Oh, well then that totally negates his genocides in the Old Testament.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

You could make that argument. You could also make the argument, since the man is claimed to be God, that the central figure of Christianity is a jealous, expansionist manaic who ordered his followers to commit genocide for land.

Oh, well then that totally negates his genocides in the Old Testament.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] But Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world. fidosim

Oh, well then that totally negates his genocides in the Old Testament.

Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Oh, well then that totally negates his genocides in the Old Testament.

Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] But Jesus wasn't in the Old Testament!fidosim

Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

I don't see how it is debatable, since most branches of Christianity teach that Jesus Christ was God incarnate on Earth. But anywhos....

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

I don't see how it is debatable, since most branches of Christianity teach that Jesus Christ was God incarnate on Earth. But anywhos....

...based on some of the people who follow it (fundamentalists), wouldn't it only be fair to do the same with other religions, such as Christianity, and therefore say that Christianity is violent as well? When people criticize Islam for being violent and point to 9/11, the terror attacks in the Middle East, and oppressive treatment from the government in Saudi as their basis, isn't it only fair to look at events of violence involving Christians as well?

For instance, the Crusades where thousands upon thousands were killed, the Inquisition, the Salem witch hunts where women were boiled alive/drowned/hanged, the genocide and near-extinction of the Native Americans, the slavery of Africans in the U.S., the Holocaust...since these were spurred by Christians wouldn't people who say Islam is violent have to say the same about Christianity for the sake of credibility? It just wouldn't make sense if Islam is called out as the singlemost violent religion.

Anyway, in case any of you have gotten the wrong idea, one obviously can't label a religion as violent based on some of its followers being extremists or terrorists, since it doesn't reflect the actual teachings of the book that the religion originates from. Surely, there are many Christians/Muslims/Jews/Hindus etc. who may be extremists or terrorists, but how can you judge their religion based on their actions? Why not, instead, look at the majority of the followers who don't commit acts of violence and judge the religion on the basis of that? It makes more sense, anyway.

Tigerman950

Humans are violent.

The End.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] That's kind of debatable, but i get ya.fidosim

I don't see how it is debatable, since most branches of Christianity teach that Jesus Christ was God incarnate on Earth. But anywhos....

I dunno. Seems like most Christians are pretty sure they've got it worked out. And the Gnostics are basically irrelevant, to be honest. At any rate, even if Jesus was not God he still taught his followers to worship that god. The same god that the Jews worship, and the same god that the Muslims worship. So really, comparing the Abrahamic religions is a bit like comparing three sides of the same apple.

I'd much rather hang out with Jesus than anyone else in Christ and Jew faith.

He is the fuking man. Just to chill out drinking tea with him, Muhammad, Siddartha Guatama, Guru Nanak and all those folk. Would be so cool.

If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.ehhwhatever

Dude you cannot judge a religion by it's nutjobs. I am a muslim and most of the those imams that talk crap about killing non-muslims in such are over zealous and some of them have serious mental issues. you cannot also base islam on what is happening in the middle east. only 20% of muslims in the world are arab the rest are non arab. i myself am non-arab.

stop associating islam with saudi arabia because they are not the model of what an islamic country should be like. just take a look at saudi's surroundaing countries (UAE,Kuwait Qatar,Bahrain). those countries are open minded and free. i can go out without hijab in those countries and no one will say anything. they evne have bars and night clubs. in Dubai and Qatar they sell pork.

I'd much rather hang out with Jesus than anyone else in Christ and Jew faith.

He is the fuking man. Just to chill out drinking tea with him, Muhammad, Siddartha Guatama, Guru Nanak and all those folk. Would be so cool.

Ilovegames1992

Siddhartha might be interesting, but Bodhidharma would be cooler. He was the kinda guy who'd smack you upside the head for saying something stupid. Plus he invented kung fu.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

I don't see how it is debatable, since most branches of Christianity teach that Jesus Christ was God incarnate on Earth. But anywhos....

I dunno. Seems like most Christians are pretty sure they've got it worked out. And the Gnostics are basically irrelevant, to be honest. At any rate, even if Jesus was not God he still taught his followers to worship that god. The same god that the Jews worship, and the same god that the Muslims worship. So really, comparing the Abrahamic religions is a bit like comparing three sides of the same apple.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

I'd much rather hang out with Jesus than anyone else in Christ and Jew faith.

He is the fuking man. Just to chill out drinking tea with him, Muhammad, Siddartha Guatama, Guru Nanak and all those folk. Would be so cool.

worlock77

Siddhartha might be interesting, but Bodhidharma would be cooler. He was the kinda guy who'd smack you upside the head for saying something stupid. Plus he invented kung fu.

Well it would be awesome because they all seem like peaceful cool guys. Plus in the biggest piece of irony ever in human history, they would all be pretty tight buds. I just know it.

Interestingly enough I heard that animal rights extremists commit the most terrorist attack in the U.S. (usually firebombings). Also don't forget the Weather Underground and similar movements (I'm not sure what you would classify them as, anti-war extremists? Militant pacifists?).

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity. Also, the muslims were to blame in the crusades as well. They attacked christian countries first in Spain and also were blocking christian rights to jerusalem..

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.helwa1988

Dude you cannot judge a religion by it's nutjobs. I am a muslim and most of the those imams that talk crap about killing non-muslims in such are over zealous and some of them have serious mental issues. you cannot also base islam on what is happening in the middle east. only 20% of muslims in the world are arab the rest are non arab. i myself am non-arab.

stop associating islam with saudi arabia because they are not the model of what an islamic country should be like. just take a look at saudi's surroundaing countries (UAE,Kuwait Qatar,Bahrain). those countries are open minded and free. i can go out without hijab in those countries and no one will say anything. they evne have bars and night clubs. in Dubai and Qatar they sell pork.

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity.argetlam00

Atlanta, Georgia. Oylmpic Park. July 27th 1996.

[QUOTE="helwa1988"]

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]If Islam isn't about killing people then whay is there a green flag over mecca indicating the crusade against non-muslims is on? Why is it that Islamic leaders say their religion is about death? If you want I will find the quote.ehhwhatever

Dude you cannot judge a religion by it's nutjobs. I am a muslim and most of the those imams that talk crap about killing non-muslims in such are over zealous and some of them have serious mental issues. you cannot also base islam on what is happening in the middle east. only 20% of muslims in the world are arab the rest are non arab. i myself am non-arab.

stop associating islam with saudi arabia because they are not the model of what an islamic country should be like. just take a look at saudi's surroundaing countries (UAE,Kuwait Qatar,Bahrain). those countries are open minded and free. i can go out without hijab in those countries and no one will say anything. they evne have bars and night clubs. in Dubai and Qatar they sell pork.

If there were 15,000 - 20,000 suicide bombers that taped themselves, it shouldn't be hard for you to prove your claims. Any proof or did you just make up a nice round figure to throw around?

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity.worlock77

Atlanta, Georgia. Oylmpic Park. July 27th 1996.

So, over 10 years ago to show an event that is just another day in the life of the Islamic world. There is also an issue in how many people actually support or relate themselves to extremism. They have full public rallies in the thousands.

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"][QUOTE="helwa1988"]

Dude you cannot judge a religion by it's nutjobs. I am a muslim and most of the those imams that talk crap about killing non-muslims in such are over zealous and some of them have serious mental issues. you cannot also base islam on what is happening in the middle east. only 20% of muslims in the world are arab the rest are non arab. i myself am non-arab.

stop associating islam with saudi arabia because they are not the model of what an islamic country should be like. just take a look at saudi's surroundaing countries (UAE,Kuwait Qatar,Bahrain). those countries are open minded and free. i can go out without hijab in those countries and no one will say anything. they evne have bars and night clubs. in Dubai and Qatar they sell pork.

Asim90

If there were 15,000 - 20,000 suicide bombers that taped themselves, it shouldn't be hard for you to prove your claims. Any proof or did you just make up a nice round figure to throw around?

I love how he keeps throwing "green Islamic flag" around too.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity.argetlam00

Atlanta, Georgia. Oylmpic Park. July 27th 1996.

So, over 10 years ago to show an event that is just another day in the life of the Islamic world. There is also an issue in how many people actually support or relate themselves to extremism. They have full public rallies in the thousands.

*Watches as the point sails over your head*

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"][QUOTE="helwa1988"]

Dude you cannot judge a religion by it's nutjobs. I am a muslim and most of the those imams that talk crap about killing non-muslims in such are over zealous and some of them have serious mental issues. you cannot also base islam on what is happening in the middle east. only 20% of muslims in the world are arab the rest are non arab. i myself am non-arab.

stop associating islam with saudi arabia because they are not the model of what an islamic country should be like. just take a look at saudi's surroundaing countries (UAE,Kuwait Qatar,Bahrain). those countries are open minded and free. i can go out without hijab in those countries and no one will say anything. they evne have bars and night clubs. in Dubai and Qatar they sell pork.

Asim90

If there were 15,000 - 20,000 suicide bombers that taped themselves, it shouldn't be hard for you to prove your claims. Any proof or did you just make up a nice round figure to throw around?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity.argetlam00

Atlanta, Georgia. Oylmpic Park. July 27th 1996.

So, over 10 years ago to show an event that is just another day in the life of the Islamic world. There is also an issue in how many people actually support or relate themselves to extremism. They have full public rallies in the thousands.

You do realise that suicide bombers, the Taliban and Al Qaeda kill more muslims than they do Americans or other non muslims, don't you? If anyone has the right to complain, it's the families in Pakistani villages being blown up right now. These terrorists are politically motivated and are crafty buggers.