If people are going to say Islam is violent....

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity. Also, the muslims were to blame in the crusades as well. They attacked christian countries first in Spain and also were blocking christian rights to jerusalem..

argetlam00

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

Ilovegames1992

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[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] How many suicide bombings have been done by people who video taped themselves before they killed and were searching for jewish blood in front of a green islamic flag? 15,000? 20,000?ehhwhatever

If there were 15,000 - 20,000 suicide bombers that taped themselves, it shouldn't be hard for you to prove your claims. Any proof or did you just make up a nice round figure to throw around?

Tell you what? You're the one making sensationalist claims with no substance. What pics are you going to enlighten us all with?

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity. Also, the muslims were to blame in the crusades as well. They attacked christian countries first in Spain and also were blocking christian rights to jerusalem..

whipassmt

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

shakmaster13

The Jews always lose though, they've been losers for centuries. Its hard to hate the losers.

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

Ilovegames1992

The Jews always lose though, they've been losers for centuries. Its hard to hate the losers.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

Atlanta, Georgia. Oylmpic Park. July 27th 1996.

Asim90

So, over 10 years ago to show an event that is just another day in the life of the Islamic world. There is also an issue in how many people actually support or relate themselves to extremism. They have full public rallies in the thousands.

You do realise that suicide bombers, the Taliban and Al Qaeda kill more muslims than they do Americans or other non muslims, don't you? If anyone has the right to complain, it's the families in Pakistani villages being blown up right now. These terrorists are politically motivated and are crafty buggers.

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] How many suicide bombings have been done by people who video taped themselves before they killed and were searching for jewish blood in front of a green islamic flag? 15,000? 20,000?helwa1988

He's fabricating numbers and actually there aren't 1 Billion, there are close to 1.6 Billion.

[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

shakmaster13

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] How many suicide bombings have been done by people who video taped themselves before they killed and were searching for jewish blood in front of a green islamic flag? 15,000? 20,000?helwa1988

[QUOTE="shakmaster13"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

Except for Buddhists and Jews and Sikhs, all the religions kunts.

ehhwhatever

[QUOTE="helwa1988"][QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] How many suicide bombings have been done by people who video taped themselves before they killed and were searching for jewish blood in front of a green islamic flag? 15,000? 20,000?ehhwhatever

A person can't be Islam, are you stupid? I think you clearly are since you incapable of posting anything with substance.

[QUOTE="helwa1988"][QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] How many suicide bombings have been done by people who video taped themselves before they killed and were searching for jewish blood in front of a green islamic flag? 15,000? 20,000?whipassmt

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity. Also, the muslims were to blame in the crusades as well. They attacked christian countries first in Spain and also were blocking christian rights to jerusalem..

whipassmt

Conquest is nothing new. And those expansions were not religiously motivated. Also, by the time the Crusades begain Christians were allowed access to the Holy Land. And no, the Crudases were not just about retaking lands from the Muslims. The Crusaders turned their swords against anyone who wasn't Christian. And one of the biggest motivators for Pope Urban to call on the first Crusade was to cement Papal control over the Christian churches of the east.

[QUOTE="argetlam00"]

Its always hilarious how people have to point out events hundreds of years ago to condem christianity. Also, the muslims were to blame in the crusades as well. They attacked christian countries first in Spain and also were blocking christian rights to jerusalem..

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"][QUOTE="helwa1988"] you tell me how many dude. since you know every and all things muslim. there are 1 billion muslims in the world. are you telling me that 1 billion people have "kill all infidels" on their minds? and 20,000 out of 1 billion is still a a very small percentage. and tell me this. how many Palestinians have died in the last 60 years? Israeli and Palestinian conflict isn't one sided. it is a two sided issue.Asim90

A person can't be Islam, are you stupid? I think you clearly are since you incapable of posting anything with substance.

Islam's no more violent than Christianity was. Infact, given that they're basically two sides of thesame coin, it's understandable. Both are "children" of Judaism anyway.

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[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] Only thing I know about Islam is they believe in death but they aren't gonna tell you that because they want to kill you. sorryehhwhatever

A person can't be Islam, are you stupid? I think you clearly are since you incapable of posting anything with substance.

Do you know a Muslim?

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] Only thing I know about Islam is they believe in death but they aren't gonna tell you that because they want to kill you. sorryehhwhatever

A person can't be Islam, are you stupid? I think you clearly are since you incapable of posting anything with substance.

You have yet to back anything up. I don't really suspect you will now.

[QUOTE="fidosim"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Oh, well then that totally negates his genocides in the Old Testament.

worlock77

Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="fidosim"] But Jesus wasn't in the Old Testament!Fightingfan

Jesus is God. God is Jesus.

He is the son of God and he is God incarnate.

Well technically Jesus was just a man.

With a man's character.

Nothing but a man

Who could never fail.

"no god but allah", ever heard that term? ehhwhatever

Yep, just like Jews and Christians exclaim that their's is the only true god (and again, they worship the same god as the Muslims do).

[QUOTE="helwa1988"][QUOTE="ehhwhatever"] Only thing I know about Islam is they believe in death but they aren't gonna tell you that because they want to kill you. sorryehhwhatever

Arab Christians call God "Allah".. what's your point?

Jesus is and will always be Jewish. sorryehhwhatever

Um who contests that?

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]"no god but allah", ever heard that term? worlock77

Yep, just like Jews and Christians exclaim that their's is the only true god (and again, they worship the same god as the Muslims do).

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]Jesus is and will always be Jewish. sorryIlovegames1992

Um who contests that?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="ehhwhatever"]"no god but allah", ever heard that term? Darkman2007

Yep, just like Jews and Christians exclaim that their's is the only true god (and again, they worship the same god as the Muslims do).

And according to Christian theology Jesus is God, God is Jesus.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Yep, just like Jews and Christians exclaim that their's is the only true god (and again, they worship the same god as the Muslims do).

worlock77

And according to Christian theology Jesus is God, God is Jesus.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] yes and no , since Christians do pretty much worship Jesus too , making it different. at any rate to answer the topic, every religion can be potentially violent, since alot can be down to simple interpretationDarkman2007

And according to Christian theology Jesus is God, God is Jesus.

Of course Jews find the concept heresy. Just as Christians find the Jew's rejection of Christ heresy. Yet at the heart of it all they still worship the same god.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

And according to Christian theology Jesus is God, God is Jesus.

worlock77

Of course Jews find the concept heresy. Just as Christians find the Jew's rejection of Christ heresy. Yet at the heart of it all they still worship the same god.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and yet Jews find that entire concept to be heresy, so its not the same per se, or more accurately, its a different interpretation of the same idea. not that it matters to me personally, Christians can worship what they like. Darkman2007

Of course Jews find the concept heresy. Just as Christians find the Jew's rejection of Christ heresy. Yet at the heart of it all they still worship the same god.

Then there is Islam which sort of bridges the two together. It's true that the three Abrahamic Religions worship the same God in essence. It's also true that Muslims are slightly closer to Jews in a sense that they believe attributing Jesus to God is a heresy.

It's also true that in a sense they're closer to Christians since they actually accept Jesus as a holy figure, he is after all a Prophet in Islam and is mentioned more in the Qur'an by name than Muhammed.

Just thought I'd throw that in to complete the trio.

Islam is violent get over it :lol:

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] and yet Jews find that entire concept to be heresy, so its not the same per se, or more accurately, its a different interpretation of the same idea. not that it matters to me personally, Christians can worship what they like. Darkman2007

Of course Jews find the concept heresy. Just as Christians find the Jew's rejection of Christ heresy. Yet at the heart of it all they still worship the same god.

So you're arguing with me just to basically state the same thing that I'm stating?

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Of course Jews find the concept heresy. Just as Christians find the Jew's rejection of Christ heresy. Yet at the heart of it all they still worship the same god.

Asim90

Then there is Islam which sort of bridges the two together. It's true that the three Abrahamic Religions worship the same God in essence. It's also true that Muslims are slightly closer to Jews in a sense that they believe attributing Jesus to God is a heresy.

It's also true that in a sense they're closer to Christians since they actually accept Jesus as a holy figure, he is after all a Prophet in Islam and is mentioned more in the Qur'an by name than Muhammed.

Just thought I'd throw that in to complete the trio.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Of course Jews find the concept heresy. Just as Christians find the Jew's rejection of Christ heresy. Yet at the heart of it all they still worship the same god.

worlock77

So you're arguing with me just to basically state the same thing that I'm stating?

Islam, in a nutshell, accepts Jesus as the Messiah, accepts that he worked miracles, and held that he was born of a virgin, but rejects the notion of the Holy Trinity and the notion that Jesus and God are in any way the same being. It also denies that he died upon the Cross, but claims rather that he was lifted into Heaven. It also hold that Jesus will return to Earth one day, like the Christians believe. But it also holds that the teachings of Jesus were, to one degree or another, corrupted and what is taugh by the church is not the pure teachings of Jesus. Thus necessitating another prophet, Muhammed (who, however, unlike Jesus, is not held to be anything other than a mortal man).

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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] like I said different interpretations of the same idea.Darkman2007

Then there is Islam which sort of bridges the two together. It's true that the three Abrahamic Religions worship the same God in essence. It's also true that Muslims are slightly closer to Jews in a sense that they believe attributing Jesus to God is a heresy.

It's also true that in a sense they're closer to Christians since they actually accept Jesus as a holy figure, he is after all a Prophet in Islam and is mentioned more in the Qur'an by name than Muhammed.

Just thought I'd throw that in to complete the trio.

I apologie, you are entirely correct. Holy wasn't the correct terminology. Muslims believe that prophets are humans selected by God. What I meant is that Jesus is acknowledged in the religion and is an individual of high stature. Unlike in Judaism where he is entirely dismissed. You're right though, holy was the wrong word to use.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] like I said different interpretations of the same idea.Darkman2007

So you're arguing with me just to basically state the same thing that I'm stating?

But Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same god, the God of Abraham. This isn't some deity of a neighboring tribe with a similar name, it's the same deity derived from the same stories.

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

So you're arguing with me just to basically state the same thing that I'm stating?

worlock77

But Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same god, the God of Abraham. This isn't some deity of a neighboring tribe with a similar name, it's the same deity derived from the same stories.

You're correct but he is right in a sense as well. Muslims and Jews worship the same God. Christians do too, however they attribute Jesus to God also, which in Judaism and Islam is basically idolatry, since God is one and not human.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not per se, I don't disagree with you 100% , there is something to it, although its not the same per se. as another example, the Cannanites had a god called Yehova, that doesn't mean they worshipped the same god, just because it has the same name. (although looking at it from a purely historical view , its possible that worship of the one God was a result of this particular god)Asim90

But Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same god, the God of Abraham. This isn't some deity of a neighboring tribe with a similar name, it's the same deity derived from the same stories.

You're correct but he is right in a sense as well. Muslims and Jews worship the same God. Christians do too, however they attribute Jesus to God also, which in Judaism and Islam is basically idolatry, since God is one and not human.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"] not per se, I don't disagree with you 100% , there is something to it, although its not the same per se. as another example, the Cannanites had a god called Yehova, that doesn't mean they worshipped the same god, just because it has the same name. (although looking at it from a purely historical view , its possible that worship of the one God was a result of this particular god)Asim90

But Jews, Christians and Muslims do worship the same god, the God of Abraham. This isn't some deity of a neighboring tribe with a similar name, it's the same deity derived from the same stories.

You're correct but he is right in a sense as well. Muslims and Jews worship the same God. Christians do too, however they attribute Jesus to God also, which in Judaism and Islam is basically idolatry, since God is one and not human.

I never said there weren't differences in doctrine. Obviously there are. But at the core of it it's the same deity.

At the risk of sounding like a douche, you could argue that Islam is inherently more violent than Christianity, since the central figure of Christianity was a man who never led an army, preached that "those who live by the sword die by the sword," and was put to death by the state while allegedly asking God to forgive his executioners; whereas the central figure of Islam was an expansionistic warlord who was apparently capable of great brutality, and whose successors created through force a worldly community stretching from Portugal to the borders of India.fidosim