[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, our scientific progression would've been better if it wasn't for the dark ages, sure. That isn't even a debate. That isn't necessarily a bad thing for religion though. The dark ages had other causes and in many times religious authority is what saved the knowledge.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, our scientific progression would've been better if it wasn't for the dark ages, sure. That isn't even a debate. That isn't necessarily a bad thing for religion though. The dark ages had other causes and in many times religious authority is what saved the knowledge. I very much doubt the dark ages would have existed without religion. Of course, nobody can change the past or know for sure.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, our scientific progression would've been better if it wasn't for the dark ages, sure. That isn't even a debate. As in general: probably. I know you may be sick of hearing this, but during those dark ages, Muslims advanced science so much and religious motivation was the main one back then.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, our scientific progression would've been better if it wasn't for the dark ages, sure. That isn't even a debate. That isn't necessarily a bad thing for religion though. The dark ages had other causes and in many times religious authority is what saved the knowledge. I very much doubt the dark ages would have existed without religion. Of course, nobody can change the past or know for sure. not necessarily. I mean maybe I'm wrong, but your understanding and perception of the white west is that its originally "elite" or "1st world" so its only natural to see it as it is today, as opposed to Latin America for example. BUT, there were times when Latin America was today's white west, just like back in the dark ages Muslims were today's white west. I don't know if I put it right or not...
People would just find something else to believe in. Religion is impossible to not exist, people will always find something to put their faith in when times are tough
[QUOTE="GazaAli"][QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] That isn't necessarily a bad thing for religion though. The dark ages had other causes and in many times religious authority is what saved the knowledge. I very much doubt the dark ages would have existed without religion. Of course, nobody can change the past or know for sure. not necessarily. I mean maybe I'm wrong, but your understanding and perception of the white west is that its originally "elite" or "1st world" so its only natural to see it as it is today, as opposed to Latin America for example. BUT, there were times when Latin America was today's white west, just like back in the dark ages Muslims were today's white west. I don't know if I put it right or not... You are right, I didn't clarify enough; I meant the " dark ages" in Europe because that's the history I am thinking in.
[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="MrPraline"]Well, our scientific progression would've been better if it wasn't for the dark ages, sure. That isn't even a debate. MrPraline
That isn't necessarily a bad thing for religion though. The dark ages had other causes and in many times religious authority is what saved the knowledge. I very much doubt the dark ages would have existed without religion. Of course, nobody can change the past or know for sure. The dark ages was a result of the roman empire falling, barbarian invasions, mass migration, famine and other stuff. Never had religion anything to do with it's emerge. And in any case the high middle ages was actually a period of great innovation.
[QUOTE="MrPraline"][QUOTE="themajormayor"] That isn't necessarily a bad thing for religion though. The dark ages had other causes and in many times religious authority is what saved the knowledge.themajormayor
I very much doubt the dark ages would have existed without religion. Of course, nobody can change the past or know for sure. The dark ages was a result of the roman empire falling, barbarian invasions, mass migration, famine and other stuff. Never had religion anything to do with it's emerge. And in any case the high middle ages was actually a period of great innovation. sure and yet there hasn't been a period more religious
[QUOTE="MrPraline"] I very much doubt the dark ages would have existed without religion. Of course, nobody can change the past or know for sure.MrPraline
The dark ages was a result of the roman empire falling, barbarian invasions, mass migration, famine and other stuff. Never had religion anything to do with it's emerge. And in any case the high middle ages was actually a period of great innovation. sure and yet there hasn't been a period more religious I was going to write that the Dark Ages caused Religion more than the other way around. And in any case how do you know no period has been more religious? In any case it doesn't change what I said.
believe it or not, back in early civilization, it was the rules and laws that organized religion helped form that allowed Human Society to live healthier and thrive.
Religion is the natural byproduct of human evolution - it's the direct result of our self-awareness, and the the first step in our attempt to grasp our place in the universe.
Therefore, it is a fool's errand to speculate what we might be without it - it came to existance because of the way we are/were. In a reality where it never came to be, we would not be the same species.
It's impossible to say. It might very well have been much, much worse. Religion has been instrumental in creating moral codes for societies, which formed the basis of their laws. Without that...who knows what would have happened.
Well, I don't know if this is worth talking about, but what about people's lives that were changed because of religion? I mean I think i remember hearing how people had their lives changed, their character changed for the better, kicking drug addiction, and generally becoming loving people.
Well, I don't know if this is worth talking about, but what about people's lives that were changed because of religion? I mean I think i remember hearing how people had their lives changed, their character changed for the better, kicking drug addiction, and generally becoming loving people. hydralisk86
Probably evens outs with the amount of people who become homicidal maniacs and war mongerers because of it.
[QUOTE="hydralisk86"]Well, I don't know if this is worth talking about, but what about people's lives that were changed because of religion? I mean I think i remember hearing how people had their lives changed, their character changed for the better, kicking drug addiction, and generally becoming loving people. lx_theo
Probably evens outs with the amount of people who become homicidal maniacs and war mongerers because of it. But the thought that comes to mind is that at least for some religions, the religious text doesn't encourage stuff like that. I mean maybe people long time ago fought wars in the name of Christianity, but if you read the New Testament, there is not a word about starting wars and killing people.
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