If someone hasn't and isn't feeling and think who is to say (s)he can be killed?

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#1 lyeti
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If a fetus doesn't and has never felt or thought than how can he be considered a living,breathing, fully formed conscious, sentient being? Babies aren't even sentient for a long time. a Newborn knows nothing, it can only experience the world in the most primal sense through neurochemicals that make him feel better or worse. A fetus isn't even that, its less. The only value of a fetus is its future.

now we have a religious question, if a fetus dies, its "spirit"/non-physical entity does whatever the religion sasy it does (re-incarnate, go to heaven, etc.) so actually in most cases his spirit skips life and goes straight to what happens to spirits who haven't done anything bad in the real world. So its actually pretty good going for a fetus in the metaphysical world of pretty much any earthly religion from my view.

However to make this more fair, I am going to assume that there is nothing but physical existance (life as we call it.) If we were to weight a fetus's "value", it wouldn't have a score for present or past as it is merely a framework of skin and bone.So, a framework of human skin, bone and nails, is more valuable than any animal and some humans?

Well perhaps so if it has good future value. Now, while this factor is rarely accounted or cared for for in the real world and is hard to predict (you can give him some rough statistics dependant on the environment and genes he has.) If we accounted for future value as much in the real world ( eg: future value>present/past values,) then we would never care about the past or the present. We wouldn't try criminals who are "going to be good", we wouldn't read the bible or anything from history. So we would imprison a quarter of black people for an average amount of time, because 1 in 4 (or 5 maybe) are going to prison anyways? Are you seriously going to value the future so highly on but a single thing in this universe?

A thing that has never existed and isn't existing can't really be killed... Although, I would consider that stopping something from the chance of existing is killing.

(I didn't just switch sides or was on any, I was just trying to some rhetoric to see every viewpoint on abortion which is an example of the question I asked in the title. I consider abortion killing but I value living people and most living mammals far more than a fetus...)

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#2 dracos9000
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There are over 6 billion people in the world what difference does it make if over 40 million abortions happen per year when over 100 million babies are born each year to compensate.

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#3 lyeti
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There are over 6 billion people in the world what difference does it make if over 40 million abortions happen per year when over 100 million babies are born each year to compensate.

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I didn't say I was anti-abortion.I was trying to decide whether you can kill a thing that never felt or thought and isn't doing it in any case. A fetus came to mind. And also your logic is complete BS. If someone values fetus as high as people your argument would be the same as saying it doesn't matter if we kill 40 million people because there 6 billion more...

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#4 dracos9000
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[QUOTE="dracos9000"]

There are over 6 billion people in the world what difference does it make if over 40 million abortions happen per year when over 100 million babies are born each year to compensate.

lyeti

I didn't say I was anti-abortion.I was trying to decide whether you can kill a thing that never felt or thought and isn't doing it in any case. A fetus came to mind. And also your logic is complete BS. If someone values fetus as high as people your argument would be the same as saying it doesn't matter if we kill 40 million people because there 6 billion more...

Its just numbers logic because that's all I see humans as just numbers.
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#5 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="dracos9000"][ Its just numbers logic because that's all I see humans as just numbers.

What number are you? Can I be 7,655,892...sounds like a nice even number
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#6 dracos9000
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9000 of course

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#7 Legolas_Katarn
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9000 of course

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I prefer to be over 9000.
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#8 GrandJury
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[QUOTE="dracos9000"]

9000 of course

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I prefer to be over 9000.

Such a smooth yet funny comment lol.
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#9 Shad0ki11
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Better question: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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#10 jeremiah06
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[QUOTE="dracos9000"]

There are over 6 billion people in the world what difference does it make if over 40 million abortions happen per year when over 100 million babies are born each year to compensate.

lyeti

I didn't say I was anti-abortion.I was trying to decide whether you can kill a thing that never felt or thought and isn't doing it in any case. A fetus came to mind. And also your logic is complete BS. If someone values fetus as high as people your argument would be the same as saying it doesn't matter if we kill 40 million people because there 6 billion more...

Conscience thought is not relative to life.
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#11 Snipes_2
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Even if you don't believe it's "Human" yet, how can you deny someone else the right to live? If there's even a slim possibility, why not save it?

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#12 Xorital
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that aborted fetus coulda been any of us, anyone of us coulda been denied the right to live, were just lucky our parents werent screw ups I soppose.

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#13 Engrish_Major
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Better question: Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

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I think Fetus is a pretty cool guy, eh is aborted and doesn't afraid of anything.