If there was no God,no creator just nobody at all....

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#1 Thinker_reborn
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Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

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because humans are paranoid. also, unicorns.
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#3 SaintLeonidas
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Fear and lack of knowledge.
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#4 THE_BRUTALIZER
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Ouch, put on your flame shield, those atheists will fight until 3 am in the morning to prove that they have no soul

I really wish they would just make some rule about these threads, i am sick of proving God's existence

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Because people have wild imaginations. It's like mythical creatures. There's tons of folk tales saying they exist or existed yet we don't have proof. Same with religions. We don't know if it exists or not.

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#6 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="THE_BRUTALIZER"]

Ouch, put on your flame shield, those atheists will fight until 3 am in the morning to prove that they have no soul

I really wish they would just make some rule about these threads, i am sick of proving God's existence

What? "Prove gods exsistence"? Is this a joke.
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#7 tzar3
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Humans can be superstitious at times, we have always feared the things we cannot see and not understand. I am sure cavemen felt this way when they first saw the sun, stars, moon and such. Probably worshipped them perhaps and it goes on from there. But I dont know and nor do I care.
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#8 DivergeUnify
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most monotheistic religions are relatively new
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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#10 Thinker_reborn
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most monotheistic religions are relatively newDivergeUnify
Dont know what the bolded part means but seems like it will be irrelavent to the discussion anyways since God has been talked about throughout the history of man.
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]most monotheistic religions are relatively newThinker_reborn
Dont know what the bolded part means but seems like it will be irrelavent to the discussion anyways since God has been talked about throughout the history of man.

It means a religion with only one God, eg Christianity or Islam, as opposed to, say, Hinduism.
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#12 GabuEx
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If there is existence, people will wonder why. The most obvious explanation is "well, someone created everything", especially in the days when people really didn't know a whole lot about anything. That doesn't necessarily mean it's the correct answer.

Here's a question: do you think that Zeus and Hera and the like were God communicating through his prophets, too?

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#13 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]most monotheistic religions are relatively newThinker_reborn
Dont know what the bolded part means but seems like it will be irrelavent to the discussion anyways since God has been talked about throughout the history of man.

It means one gods. And no "God" has not been talked about since the history of man, before Christainity anceint cultures like Eygpt believed in multiple gods.
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#14 dan-rofl-copter
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hundreds and thousands of years ago people didn't understand the world as we do, to them lighting was god was angry etc that's how i see it personally
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Because everything has to be explained even if we don't know the right reason.
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[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]most monotheistic religions are relatively newSaintLeonidas
Dont know what the bolded part means but seems like it will be irrelavent to the discussion anyways since God has been talked about throughout the history of man.

It means one gods. And no "God" has not been talked about since the history of man, before Christainity anceint cultures like Eygpt believed in multiple gods.

But if the Bible is correct it goes back to the beginning of creation. Just saying thats not a very effective argument against someone who believes in the Bible.
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[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"][QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]most monotheistic religions are relatively newFunky_Llama
Dont know what the bolded part means but seems like it will be irrelavent to the discussion anyways since God has been talked about throughout the history of man.

It means a religion with only one God, eg Christianity or Islam, as opposed to, say, Hinduism.

That's actually not true.Many old religions have gone far away from their orginal beliefs.Even Chritianity doesnt believe in just one God does it?

But regardless that doesnt affect this discussion much.

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Um because since humans have had the ability to think they've wondered how they got here on earth? If there is a problem, we want an answer for it. We want to understand. So when science can't explain something, either because science didn't exist at the time the question was asked or not evolved enough to explain it, we look elsewhere for answers.
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Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

Thinker_reborn

Or someone thought up a way to manipulate their people through an all knowing make belive person...so then they would pass down and make up false stories to keep the people under control.

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#21 DivergeUnify
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  That's actually not true.Many old religions have gone far away from their orginal beliefs.Even Chritianity doesnt believe in just one God does it?

But regardless that doesnt affect this discussion much.

 Thinker_reborn
WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stop
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WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stopDivergeUnify

I think he's probably referring to the Holy Trinity concept of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  The answer to that is that they aren't three separate entities; they're just three ways with which the same God interacts with the world.  The Father is God as he exists external to our world; the Son is God as he exists within our timeline; and the Holy Spirit is God as he exists ubiquitously and timelessly within our world.

It does get a bit confusing, though, I will certainly grant.

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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stopGabuEx

I think he's probably referring to the Holy Trinity concept of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  The answer to that is that they aren't three separate entities; they're just three ways with which the same God interacts with the world.  The Father is God as he exists external to our world; the Son is God as he exists within our timeline; and the Holy Spirit is God as he exists ubiquitously and timelessly within our world.

It does get a bit confusing, though, I will certainly grant.

I understand the concept of the holy trinity, but they're all part of the same, single god
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#24 Thinker_reborn
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 [QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

  That's actually not true.Many old religions have gone far away from their orginal beliefs.Even Chritianity doesnt believe in just one God does it?

But regardless that doesnt affect this discussion much.

 DivergeUnify

WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stop

Who is jesus then?He is also considered God.

And yes I know he is considered the son of God but the fact that he is also considered a God means that christianity is not a monotheistic religion.

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#25 euphzilla03
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Ouch, put on your flame shield, those atheists will fight until 3 am in the morning to prove that they have no soul

I really wish they would just make some rule about these threads, i am sick of proving God's existence

THE_BRUTALIZER

So if they have no soul they don't have to worry about God and going to hell then right?

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#26 Thinker_reborn
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[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stopDivergeUnify

I think he's probably referring to the Holy Trinity concept of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.  The answer to that is that they aren't three separate entities; they're just three ways with which the same God interacts with the world.  The Father is God as he exists external to our world; the Son is God as he exists within our timeline; and the Holy Spirit is God as he exists ubiquitously and timelessly within our world.

It does get a bit confusing, though, I will certainly grant.

I understand the concept of the holy trinity, but they're all part of the same, single god

Being part of the same God and just having a single God is not the same thing.

What happens if jesus clash with God?

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#27 GabuEx
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Who is jesus then?He is also considered God.

And yes I know he is considered the son of God but the fact that he is also considered a God means that christianity is not a monotheistic religion.

Thinker_reborn

Read my post. They're all considered different aspects of the same God.

Also, I'm interested in your answer to my question as to whether or not Zeus and Hera were also prophets from God (or God himself).

Being part of the same God and just having a single God is not the same thing.

What happens if jesus clash with God?

Thinker_reborn

Jesus can't clash with God because Jesus is God.

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#28 123625
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Great monopoly another religion thread >_>

Maybe they just wanted to explain why things are the way they are.

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#29 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

 

 [QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

  That's actually not true.Many old religions have gone far away from their orginal beliefs.Even Chritianity doesnt believe in just one God does it?

But regardless that doesnt affect this discussion much.

 Thinker_reborn

WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stop

Who is jesus then?He is also considered God.

And yes I know he is considered the son of God but the fact that he is also considered a God means that christianity is not a monotheistic religion.

He's not a God, he is the flesh of God.

Seriously, stop trying. The only type of Christianity that doesn't consider the holy trinity to be one force is Mormonism, and that sect fell much further from the tree than all the other denominations.

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#30 Funky_Llama
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[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"]

 

 [QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]

  That's actually not true.Many old religions have gone far away from their orginal beliefs.Even Chritianity doesnt believe in just one God does it?

But regardless that doesnt affect this discussion much.

 Thinker_reborn

WHAT are you talking about?  YES, it is true.  Christianity is a monotheistic religion.  You worship God and only God.  He is the only supreme being and the one you're judged, before.  I'm athiest and I know this.  Please stop

Who is jesus then?He is also considered God.

And yes I know he is considered the son of God but the fact that he is also considered a God means that christianity is not a monotheistic religion.

Um... no... that's like saying that Muslims worship 99 Gods because of the 99 names of Allah. Jesus and God are the same being.
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#31 Funky_Llama
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He's not a God, he is the flesh of God.

Seriously, stop trying. The only type of Christianity that doesn't consider the holy trinity to be one force is Mormonism, and that sect fell much further from the tree than all the other denominations.

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And hit its head in the process. >_>
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#32 Blood-Scribe
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[QUOTE="Blood-Scribe"]

He's not a God, he is the flesh of God.

Seriously, stop trying. The only type of Christianity that doesn't consider the holy trinity to be one force is Mormonism, and that sect fell much further from the tree than all the other denominations.

Funky_Llama

And hit its head in the process. >_>

Along with most of Utah.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

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Funky_Llama
I don't think he is appealing to a mass amount of people believing in God as evidence of God, but the fact that the concept of God even exists or is talked about. I may be wrong though. It sounds more like the ontological argument to me.
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#34 Thinker_reborn
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Read my post. They're all considered different aspects of the same God.

Also, I'm interested in your answer to my question as to whether or not Zeus and Hera were also prophets from God (or God himself).

GabuEx

Well I know nothing about zeus and hera except that zeus was in god of war.:P

Eh just reading up on it,I dont believe in it being true at all.And btw we muslims believe that there were no female prophets ever.

 

 

[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]Being part of the same God and just having a single God is not the same thing.

What happens if jesus clash with God?

GabuEx

Jesus can't clash with God because Jesus is God.

 

But I thought he was His Son?
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Ouch, put on your flame shield, those atheists will fight until 3 am in the morning to prove that they have no soul

I really wish they would just make some rule about these threads, i am sick of proving God's existence

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You can prove god's existence? Do enlighten me so.
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#36 GabuEx
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Eh just reading up on it,I dont believe in it being true at all.Thinker_reborn
So, then, you think that Zeus and Hera and the like were just made up?
But I thought he was His Son?Thinker_reborn
That's just an easy way to explain it to the people. The way it really goes is that, effectively, Jesus was a human incarnation of God within human history. God injected himself into the timeline of our world in order to affect the people in a way in which he couldn't as a being existing externally to our world.
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So, then, you think that Zeus and Hera and the like were just made up?GabuEx
Well it's certainly not true the way it is.However who knows zeus may have been a prophet and had his own miracles and now his history has just gone too far away from the truth.
[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]But I thought he was His Son?GabuEx
That's just an easy way to explain it to the people. The way it really goes is that, effectively, Jesus was a human incarnation of God within human history. God injected himself into the timeline of our world in order to affect the people in a way in which he couldn't as a being existing externally to our world.

So jesus as a separate entity is nothing?Infact he is not even a separate entity right? From what you are saying I wonder why is jesus given any importance "at all" since he is God himself and jesus itself is nobody.And how did jesus sacrifice and suffer when he is God himself in the flesh?God doesnt have to sacrifice nor suffer!
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[QUOTE="SaintLeonidas"][QUOTE="THE_BRUTALIZER"]

Ouch, put on your flame shield, those atheists will fight until 3 am in the morning to prove that they have no soul

I really wish they would just make some rule about these threads, i am sick of proving God's existence

What? "Prove gods exsistence"? Is this a joke.

Yes, it is; I just hope that Brutalizer" is in on it
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So jesus as a separate entity is nothing?Infact he is not even a separate entity right? From what you are saying I wonder why is jesus given any importance "at all" since he is God himself and jesus itself is nobody.And how did jesus sacrifice and suffer when he is God himself in the flesh?God doesnt have to sacrifice nor suffer!Thinker_reborn
I think you may have answered your own question there.

As for the think about the suffering... yup, it's completely unncessary.

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why do athiests have to make things so complicated? ok believe in god or not end of discussion. / thread.
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#41 123625
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So jesus as a separate entity is nothing?Infact he is not even a separate entity right? From what you are saying I wonder why is jesus given any importance "at all" since he is God himself and jesus itself is nobody.And how did jesus sacrifice and suffer when he is God himself in the flesh?God doesnt have to sacrifice nor suffer!Thinker_reborn
The understanding is that Jesus was the only way for mankind to pay for their sins, and thus why he had to sacrifice himself on the cross. And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.
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The logic. It's infallible! There must be a God!
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#43 GabuEx
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Well it's certainly not true the way it is.However who knows zeus may have been a prophet and had his own miracles and now his history has just gone too far away from the truth.Thinker_reborn
Zeus never actually existed, though. [QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]So jesus as a separate entity is nothing?Infact he is not even a separate entity right? From what you are saying I wonder why is jesus given any importance "at all" since he is God himself and jesus itself is nobody.And how did jesus sacrifice and suffer when he is God himself in the flesh?God doesnt have to sacrifice nor suffer!

As the story within Christianity goes, Jesus was sacrificed and made to suffer so that humanity could be saved from our sins. Jesus was effectively punished in our stead in a way that would have been impossible had God stayed wholly external to our world, such that anyone who believes in him and accepts his punishment in their stead is forgiven of his or her past sins and can consequently go to heaven.
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Then why would there be so many religions and so much talk about God throughout the history of mankind?

Why would anyone make up false stories of God and all?And even if some did,why would they continue throughout time?

If God never ever communicated to man through His prophets then surely this much talk about God and religion just simply wont be there.

Thinker_reborn
human reasoning has us think of there being a creator. we are crafters, us humans. we make tools, we make plans, and we are the creators. so in this sense it makes sense to us that there be a creator. but even in the examples by which we have originally gained the philosophy we apply to the divine, there is no creator. the arrowhead was not made by us; it's a piece of flint broken and called something else. nothing springs suddenly into being, from no where. one of the most important parts of any kind of religious thought is that there is a common theme to all things, that some things do not change regardless. in other words, the defiance of chronology and of human reasoning. without the sublime and intuition, religions become full of false ideas, like the idea of creation itself. so, in my view, I do not object so much to the concept of God as I do to the idea that anything can happen in as straightforward a manner as to have a definite point of creation.
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Humans have generally needed something to explain why we are here doing what we are doing. The lack of any scientific knowledge led to everything we observed being explained by myths and warped true stories. Prophets were most likely nutters or leaders that were held in high regard and their messages may have been misconstrued as being from God.
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#46 espoac
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[QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]So jesus as a separate entity is nothing?Infact he is not even a separate entity right? From what you are saying I wonder why is jesus given any importance "at all" since he is God himself and jesus itself is nobody.And how did jesus sacrifice and suffer when he is God himself in the flesh?God doesnt have to sacrifice nor suffer!123625
The understanding is that Jesus was the only way for mankind to pay for their sins, and thus why he had to sacrifice himself on the cross. And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.

I have a genuine question about the underlined portion: why was Jesus the only way for mankind to pay for our sins? Why couldn't an all-powerful being like God just snap his metaphorical fingers and wipe the slate clean, instantly redeeming humanity of their sins? Why choose the arduous, 30-year process of sending your only son to die?
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#47 194197844077667059316682358889
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The divinity of Jesus was a matter of a lot of contention in the early Christian Church; it wasn't "officially" settled until around 320 or so AD when the Council of Nicaea established the Nicene Creed and established the doctrine of the Trinity as canon.
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#48 SaintLeonidas
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why do athiests have to make things so complicated? ok believe in god or not end of discussion. / thread.HookedOnKiLLing
?? This thread started with someone who believes in god trying to make athiests try to prove god wrong...in this case atheists didnt make things complicated.
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#49 123625
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[QUOTE="123625"][QUOTE="Thinker_reborn"]So jesus as a separate entity is nothing?Infact he is not even a separate entity right? From what you are saying I wonder why is jesus given any importance "at all" since he is God himself and jesus itself is nobody.And how did jesus sacrifice and suffer when he is God himself in the flesh?God doesnt have to sacrifice nor suffer!espoac
The understanding is that Jesus was the only way for mankind to pay for their sins, and thus why he had to sacrifice himself on the cross. And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.

I have a genuine question about the underlined portion: why was Jesus the only way for mankind to pay for our sins? Why couldn't an all-powerful being like God just snap his metaphorical fingers and wipe the slate clean, instantly redeeming humanity of their sins? Why choose the arduous, 30-year process of sending your only son to die?

Possibly because doing that would mean we would have no knowledge of God's forgiveness, and people might start creating even more religions/Gods to try and answer the question of sin/life and etc. I think God forgave us this way is to show his love towards us and offer forgiveness to people who not only deserve it, but people who don't. (christianity says we all need forgiveness) But I do think God could have forgiven us another way too, I just think this way has the most meaning.
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#50 Thinker_reborn
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And while Jesus might have been God, he was also a man capable of suffering.123625
Sorry that's just not possible.