If you beieve that a business should not be able to discriminate against people

then you do not believe in freedom

Thx for the enlightenment.

Discrimination is bad, m'kay.

A privately owned company can discriminate and yes I do believe they should be able to do so (but only private ones).

Discriminate in terms of what? Race? Gender? Educational attainment?

A privately owned company can discriminate and yes I do believe they should be able to do so (but only private ones).

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

A privately owned company can discriminate and yes I do believe they should be able to do so (but only private ones).

-Sun_Tzu-

No. I support one's right to hold and exercise any belief they may have. It is what makes this country great regardless of weather or not I agree with the specific view (which as you said, I don't). For a private company, the owner should have and does have the right to hire whoever he/she feels like.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

A privately owned company can discriminate and yes I do believe they should be able to do so (but only private ones).

Pirate700

No. I support one's right to hold and exercise any belief they may have. It is what makes this country great regardless of weather or not I agree with the specific view (which as you said, I don't). For a private company, the owner should have and does have the right to hire whoever he/she feels like.

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Isn't that a bit inconsistent? What differentiates discrimination in the public sector from that in the private sector? If one opposes discrimination from a moral standpoint (which I am assuming you do) wouldn't you be forced to oppose discrimination in the private sector?-Sun_Tzu-

No. I support one's right to hold and exercise any belief they may have. It is what makes this country great regardless of weather or not I agree with the specific view (which as you said, I don't). For a private company, the owner should have and does have the right to hire whoever he/she feels like.

You do have the right to act on it as long as you aren't physically hurting someone. You have the right to only hire who you want. Period. The Government can't tell you as a private employer who you can or can't have work for you. If I own a small business out of my house for example, I am entitled to hire who I want. Not who the government wants me to hire. That is how it differs from public companies.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

No. I support one's right to hold and exercise any belief they may have. It is what makes this country great regardless of weather or not I agree with the specific view (which as you said, I don't). For a private company, the owner should have and does have the right to hire whoever he/she feels like.

Pirate700

You do have the right to act on it as long as you aren't physically hurting someone. You have the right to only hire who you want. Period. The Government can't tell you as a private employer who you can or can't have work for you. If I own a small business out of my house for example, I am entitled to hire who I want. Not who the government wants me to hire. That is how it differs from public companies.

A privately owned company can discriminate and yes I do believe they should be able to do so (but only private ones).

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] Yes people have the right to hold any belief they may have, but in the U.S. people are not allowed to exercise any belief they may have. This has been displayed time and time again, in cases such as Morse v. Frederick, Reynolds v. United States, Employment Division v. Smith, ect. So, I ask you again, what differentiates discrimination in the public sector from that in the private sector?

-Sun_Tzu-

You do have the right to act on it as long as you aren't physically hurting someone. You have the right to only hire who you want. Period. The Government can't tell you as a private employer who you can or can't have work for you. If I own a small business out of my house for example, I am entitled to hire who I want. Not who the government wants me to hire. That is how it differs from public companies.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

You do have the right to act on it as long as you aren't physically hurting someone. You have the right to only hire who you want. Period. The Government can't tell you as a private employer who you can or can't have work for you. If I own a small business out of my house for example, I am entitled to hire who I want. Not who the government wants me to hire. That is how it differs from public companies.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But by arbitrarily not hiring, firing, or promoting an employee, aren't you, for all intents and purposes, hurting that person by depriving them of vital resources that they may need in order to survive? LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

You do have the right to act on it as long as you aren't physically hurting someone. You have the right to only hire who you want. Period. The Government can't tell you as a private employer who you can or can't have work for you. If I own a small business out of my house for example, I am entitled to hire who I want. Not who the government wants me to hire. That is how it differs from public companies.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]That's not the employers problem. If anyone interviews for a job and doesn't get it, then they are suffering from the same problem. The bottom line is a private company has the right to choose. If someone doesn't get the job for whatever reason, then they don't get it. In 99% of cases nobody knows why they don't get hired for any job. They just don't get selected. Discrimination is almost impossible to prove.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]

You do have the right to act on it as long as you aren't physically hurting someone. You have the right to only hire who you want. Period. The Government can't tell you as a private employer who you can or can't have work for you. If I own a small business out of my house for example, I am entitled to hire who I want. Not who the government wants me to hire. That is how it differs from public companies.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But by arbitrarily not hiring, firing, or promoting an employee, aren't you, for all intents and purposes, hurting that person by depriving them of vital resources that they may need in order to survive? -Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]That's not the employers problem. If anyone interviews for a job and doesn't get it, then they are suffering from the same problem. The bottom line is a private company has the right to choose. If someone doesn't get the job for whatever reason, then they don't get it. In 99% of cases nobody knows why they don't get hired for any job. They just don't get selected. Discrimination is almost impossible to prove.

Pirate700

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But by arbitrarily not hiring, firing, or promoting an employee, aren't you, for all intents and purposes, hurting that person by depriving them of vital resources that they may need in order to survive? Maniacc1

Discriminate in terms of what? Race? Gender? Educational attainment?

kingdre

[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] But by arbitrarily not hiring, firing, or promoting an employee, aren't you, for all intents and purposes, hurting that person by depriving them of vital resources that they may need in order to survive? LJS9502_basic

They have a right to discriminate. THEY own the business. Government should not be able to tell people who they can do business with each other. Besides discriminating would hurt the business in the long run because they are not getting the source of income from say black people

They have a right to discriminate. THEY own the business. Government should not be able to tell people who they can do business with each other. Besides discriminating would hurt the business in the long run because they are not getting the source of income from say black people

Epic__Lulz

then you do not believe in freedom

Epic__Lulz

Actually, no, I just prefer not to allow discrimination, which hinders freedom.

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

They have a right to discriminate. THEY own the business. Government should not be able to tell people who they can do business with each other. Besides discriminating would hurt the business in the long run because they are not getting the source of income from say black people

LJS9502_basic

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[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

They have a right to discriminate. THEY own the business. Government should not be able to tell people who they can do business with each other. Besides discriminating would hurt the business in the long run because they are not getting the source of income from say black people

Epic__Lulz

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

then you do not believe in freedom

chessmaster1989

Actually, no, I just prefer not to allow discrimination, which hinders freedom.

I do not think anything public should discriminate but anything private should be allowed to.

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Again...discrimination is not legal. And thus not a right.

LJS9502_basic

You discriminate everyday. Everyone does.

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[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]It should be. There are many illegal things that should be legal

Epic__Lulz

You discriminate everyday. Everyone does.

I think that the Government shouldn't discriminate against people. But if certain business feels like they have to. It's their business and they can run it the way they want to. However that doesn't mean they will be immune from criticism. Their choice in discrimination can leave their reputation scarred. WhiteSnake5000

Exactly my thinking. Too bad many users on this forum are spoon fed at school about caring and welcoming and not about civil liberties.

If a Business discriminates it will most likely go under

[QUOTE="WhiteSnake5000"]I think that the Government shouldn't discriminate against people. But if certain business feels like they have to. It's their business and they can run it the way they want to. However that doesn't mean they will be immune from criticism. Their choice in discrimination can leave their reputation scarred. Epic__Lulz

Exactly my thinking. Too bad many users on this forum are spoon fed at school about caring and welcoming and not about civil liberties.

If a Business discriminates it will most likely go under

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

[QUOTE="WhiteSnake5000"]I think that the Government shouldn't discriminate against people. But if certain business feels like they have to. It's their business and they can run it the way they want to. However that doesn't mean they will be immune from criticism. Their choice in discrimination can leave their reputation scarred. -Sun_Tzu-

Exactly my thinking. Too bad many users on this forum are spoon fed at school about caring and welcoming and not about civil liberties.

If a Business discriminates it will most likely go under

People are not opressed when one business "opresses" them. They have a choice to go to another business. But when a government "opresses" you only have 1 government. you do not have a choice.

The US was founded on the idea that you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't affect the rights of someone else. Deciding not to hire someone, for whatever reason, does not violate that person's rights. You have the right to work wherever you want and company's have the right to hire anyone they want. They don't have the right to force you to work for them and you don't have the right to force them to hire you. That way they only word together if both parties want to. That is how freedom works.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

Exactly my thinking. Too bad many users on this forum are spoon fed at school about caring and welcoming and not about civil liberties.

If a Business discriminates it will most likely go under

Epic__Lulz

People are not opressed when one business "opresses" them. They have a choice to go to another business. But when a government "opresses" you only have 1 government. you do not have a choice.

If it doesn't take the civil liberties away from the person then it should be allowed. I think a private business is a PRIVATE business and can be opened or closed to whomever the business owner wants. If he wants to hurt his business by discriminating against certain people then i think he should be able to do that. But i think there should be some government involvement if he has a monopoly on a needed product that can't be found anywhere else and he only lets certain people have it. Of course, i don't think very many would do that in this time and if they did, they wouldn't last long.

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

then you do not believe in freedom

chessmaster1989

Actually, no, I just prefer not to allow discrimination, which hinders freedom.

If it doesn't take the civil liberties away from the person then it should be allowed. I think a private business is a PRIVATE business and can be opened or closed to whomever the business owner wants. If he wants to hurt his business by discriminating against certain people then i think he should be able to do that. But i think there should be some government involvement if he has a monopoly on a needed product that can't be found anywhere else and he only lets certain people have it. Of course, i don't think very many would do that in this time and if they did, they wouldn't last long.

hoola