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#1 peter1191
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Seriously, whats going on? Why is there a group of people who are willing to find any sort of fault in the West, even though they live in it? Georgia, last thursday responded to attacks on Georgian villages by separatists via military crack down in South Ossetia. Note that this occured after Georgia offered separatists a cease-fire. Russian "peacekeepers" were killed in the crackdown. So Russia up and invades, not even talking to Georgia or asking for reparations for the lost lives. No, just up and invades another country's property. What is the right? What gives Russia the right to dictate what happens in other independent countries? How is it that separatists and invaders are given the upper hand while Georgians, the ones who are suffering, are simply blamed? Sure, South Ossetians are suffering as well, yet wasn't it their separatists who started the conflict? And wasn't it them who wanted to take soverign Georgian land and united with the Russians? Georgia is in the right: what country in the world would give up its land without a fight? And to think they offered separatists a cease fire first, as well.

I'm disturbed at the fact that people seem to think of the west as the one who starts all the grievences, not ends them. WHy, when President Bush criticized Russia, many users on this board warned of the danger and called Bush a fool for taking such a stance. Why not let the whole world burn, then? A democracy under fire, for trying to maintain its territorial integrity, and the USA is going to sit around and watch? Seriously guys, this is an international effort to end a foolish war. Don't tell me those trying to stop the war and warn Russia are foolish: who are the Russians? What military strength could the possess that the USA couldn't match? I'm not counting them out, especially thanks to their oil and natural gas reserves, but come on: the over all idea on these boards is that Georgia is in the wrong, Russia is a monster military power that shouldn't be challenged, as so on and so forth. I'm not talking about war between the West and Russia: I just mean there is nothing wrong with the West standing up for what is right, and Georgia was not wrong to crack down on what should be considered terrorists within their own boards. There is no evidence of "ethnic cleasing" otherwise Georgian operations would have been much wider and Georgian troops returned from Iraq before any action was taken by the government of Georgia. Really, there is no indication that Georgia was ready for any war with Russia. I mean, as far as the news can carry my judgement, Georgia is in the right.

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#2 North-North
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It wasn't an "invasion" it was a military operation. Russia has already stated that their military operations have ended.
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#3 peter1191
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O I know. I'm just pointing out what I think are intentional misconceptions.
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Oh and also. GA killed Russian soldiers and civilians thus causing the Big Red Bear to defend her homeland.
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Oh and also. GA killed Russian soldiers and civilians thus causing the Big Red Bear to defend her homeland.North-North

Well they were defending their homeland first.

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To be honest, I dont really care about it at all.
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Oh and also. GA killed Russian soldiers and civilians thus causing the Big Red Bear to defend her homeland.North-North

Alright so S.O. seperatist forces can attack Georgia hop over the S.O. border and Georgia would be in the wrong attacking back just because Russian peace keeping forces are stationed there? How the hell are they even called peace keeping forces when they're only in ONE country? Its like leaving a freaking bear trap on S.O. door step and if Georgia did anything against S.O. in retaliation for teh attacks they would be wiped out by the Russians.

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The Russians Claim that they were trying to stop a Genocide by invading South Ossetia. The Georgians claim that Russias attack was a ruthless invasion. I think that Georgia should give the Abkhazians and the South Ossetians there Soveriegnity and I think Russia should stop trying to flex their muscles.
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The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice.
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I think Russia had other motives...and it is rather surprising all the supporters for Russia there are here. No one would like Russia to treat their homeland that way.
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The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. CruxisXIII
Actually justice would have been letting Georgia handle their own issues.;)
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The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. CruxisXIII

Even if the Russians stayed in South Ossetia(Which they did not) that argument would be useless. The russians killed numerous civilians in South Ossetia, what they shouldve done is let the Georgians take care of there own problems. Then to make things worse the Sink 4 Georgian Patrol Boats in the Black Sea, Bomb an Airport, and Shell Georgian cities outside of South Ossetia.

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[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. LJS9502_basic
Actually justice would have been letting Georgia handle their own issues.;)

and commit genocide on the south ossetian people? Russia does not allow such things to happen, they stopped the holocaust, and they will stop a south ossetian genocide.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. CruxisXIII
Actually justice would have been letting Georgia handle their own issues.;)

and commit genocide on the south ossetian people? Russia does not allow such things to happen, they stopped the holocaust, and they will stop a south ossetian genocide.

Russia invades another country....it's only RUSSIA'S word that genocide was occuring.
What WAS occuring was a separatist uprising. That is not genocide.

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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. CruxisXIII
Actually justice would have been letting Georgia handle their own issues.;)

and commit genocide on the south ossetian people? Russia does not allow such things to happen, they stopped the holocaust, and they will stop a south ossetian genocide.

Russia cared about the Jews? :|

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[QUOTE="CruxisXIII"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="CruxisXIII"]The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. Superbored

Actually justice would have been letting Georgia handle their own issues.;)

and commit genocide on the south ossetian people? Russia does not allow such things to happen, they stopped the holocaust, and they will stop a south ossetian genocide.

Russia cared about the Jews? :|

of course they did. Haven't you read any of Lenin's speeches? Or even Stalin's opinion on anti-Semitism?
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The Russians did absolutely nothing wrong. They moved in the name of justice. CruxisXIII

A few points I would like to bring up:

1. After the invasion, Russia's ambassador to the US said Georgia's president "needs to go".
2. Russia invaded some of non-seperatist Georgia and bombed several civilian targets.
3. Georgia wants to join NATO, and that has angered Russia for a long time now.
4. The war was a Georgia issue and Georgian troops didn't start it.. Russia should have stayed the hell out.