I'm curious, is this legal?

No it's not legal. You do not have the authority to shoot him. You do have the right to bare arms, but if you shoot someone, even if it was morally right, you will be filed as a murderer and bad things will happen.groovdafied

[QUOTE="groovdafied"]No it's not legal. You do not have the authority to shoot him. You do have the right to bare arms, but if you shoot someone, even if it was morally right, you will be filed as a murderer and bad things will happen.carrot-cake

Only the evidence that is filed with/against you will determine if it's self defense. People who actually killed people to save their childrens lives go to jail because of it.

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"][QUOTE="groovdafied"]No it's not legal. You do not have the authority to shoot him. You do have the right to bare arms, but if you shoot someone, even if it was morally right, you will be filed as a murderer and bad things will happen.groovdafied

Only the evidence that is filed with/against you will determine if it's self defense. People who actually killed people to save their childrens lives go to jail because of it.

its probably legal in colorado

we literally have a law called Make My Day

i doubt thats legal. you cant even hurt somebody if they come into your house and try to rob you.curtkobain

ummmm...no that's legal to shoot someone who's trying to rob you and I think it might be legal to shoot a person robbing a bank and if it isn't then it should be.

i doubt thats legal. you cant even hurt somebody if they come into your house and try to rob you.curtkobain

yes you can in canada at least. Self defense :)

[QUOTE="groovdafied"]

[QUOTE="carrot-cake"][QUOTE="groovdafied"]No it's not legal. You do not have the authority to shoot him. You do have the right to bare arms, but if you shoot someone, even if it was morally right, you will be filed as a murderer and bad things will happen.carrot-cake

Only the evidence that is filed with/against you will determine if it's self defense. People who actually killed people to save their childrens lives go to jail because of it.

Ya but lawyers have no souls these days. They can make a burglar stealing candy from a baby, look like a sinless god.

No. Who says he was going to shoot you?SolidSnake35

When a bank robber is wielding a gun, I don't think anyone will argue if you tell them you felt that your life was in danger. Thererore it's legal since it's self defense. Right?

No it's not legal. You do not have the authority to shoot him. You do have the right to bare arms, but if you shoot someone, even if it was morally right, you will be filed as a murderer and bad things will happen.groovdafied

Would that still apply considering the situation?

Shoot first, ask questions later.RushMetallica

Yeah. If I'm in that situation, the last thought in my mind is "I could go to jail for shooting this guy."

i doubt thats legal. you cant even hurt somebody if they come into your house and try to rob you.curtkobain

In Florida you can, If someone breaks into my home and somebody's life is in danger I can kill him. No charges.

you are allowed to use an "equal" reaction like fist to fist and knife to knife

not something like fist to chainsaw.

depends on the state really

i doubt thats legal. you cant even hurt somebody if they come into your house and try to rob you.curtkobain

The keyword there was "Texas" though... and the guys breaking in were black...

Self defense.......

Hypothetically, say you go to a bank to withdraw some money, and all of the sudden someone pulls out a gun and says it's a hold and he's taking everyones money. You have a gun with you, are you legally allowed to shoot him? Or not, because he's not posing a direct threat to you?pink_floyd123

its not legal, however if he attempts to shoot you, and you shoot him then i think its considered self defense.

I think its dumb however, my own personal opinion is if someone tries robbing you with a gun, you should be able to enforce him to leave you alone.

I think then, youd see a pretty big drop in crime.

Well, here is something from a government website pertaining to Florida, as that's the first state I was able to find something on:

Q. When can I use my handgun to protect myself?

A. Florida law justifies use of deadly force when you are:

• Trying to protect yourself or another person from death or serious bodily harm;
• Trying to prevent a forcible felony, such as rape, robbery, burglary or kidnapping.

Using or displaying a handgun in any other circumstances could result in your conviction for crimes such as improper exhibition of a firearm, manslaughter, or worse.

Example of the kind of attack that will not justify defending yourself with deadly force: Two neighbors got into a fight, and one of them tried to hit the other by swinging a garden hose. The neighbor who was being attacked with the hose shot the other in the chest. The court upheld his conviction for aggravated battery with a firearm, because an attack with a garden hose is not the kind of violent assault that justifies responding with deadly force.

No. It would not be legal in the US. One does not break the law to prevent someone else from breaking the law without facing the charges of their offense. Two wrongs don't make a right, people. Let them take their money, then get picked up by the FBI two months later.

No. It would not be legal in the US. One does not break the law to prevent someone else from breaking the law without facing the charges of their offense. Two wrongs don't make a right, people. Let them take their money, then get picked up by the FBI two months later.

~Black Zero

BlackZeroSA

...except it isn't always breaking the law in that case. Anyway, there are robbers who will shoot people even after they comply with everything. I don't know if it happens at banks in particular so much, but it certainly happens.

Hypothetically, say you go to a bank to withdraw some money, and all of the sudden someone pulls out a gun and says it's a hold and he's taking everyones money. You have a gun with you, are you legally allowed to shoot him? Or not, because he's not posing a direct threat to you?pink_floyd123

[QUOTE="BlackZeroSA"]

No. It would not be legal in the US. One does not break the law to prevent someone else from breaking the law without facing the charges of their offense. Two wrongs don't make a right, people. Let them take their money, then get picked up by the FBI two months later.

~Black Zero

SpaceMoose

...except it isn't always breaking the law in that case. Anyway, there are robbers who will shoot people even after they comply with everything. I don't know if it happens at banks in particular so much, but it certainly happens.

Self defense laws regarding killing the aggressor only apply in your own home or property. Also, the person must be killed in self defense within your property boundaries. Also, the bullet fired cannot leave your property or you will face charges of a fire arms discharge in a public setting or possibly injure someone else across the street.

However, in a public domain, these laws do not apply. You cannot kill in self defense when in a public location or government building: and every bank falls under one of those two. Also, many banks prohibit concealed fire arms; something else you would be held accountable for. Of course, this is all based on US Federal and Texas state statutes. However, most bank robbers are idiots; not the brilliant hiest masterminds you see on television. Usually, the grab the money and run. In their haste, they fail to cover all bases; and some means of identification and tracking is found. Most (meaning a very large majority) are caught within the month of the robbery.

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"][QUOTE="BlackZeroSA"]

No. It would not be legal in the US. One does not break the law to prevent someone else from breaking the law without facing the charges of their offense. Two wrongs don't make a right, people. Let them take their money, then get picked up by the FBI two months later.

~Black Zero

BlackZeroSA

...except it isn't always breaking the law in that case. Anyway, there are robbers who will shoot people even after they comply with everything. I don't know if it happens at banks in particular so much, but it certainly happens.

Self defense laws regarding killing the aggressor only apply in your own home or property. Also, the person must be killed in self defense withing your property boundaries. If they are wounded, but still alive, then you are the offender.

However, in a public domain, these laws do not apply. You cannot kill in self defense when in a public location or government building: and every bank falls under one of those two. Also, many banks prohibit concealed fire arms; something else you would be held accountable for. Of course, this is all based on US Federal and Texas state statutes.

~Black Zero

i doubt thats legal. you cant even hurt somebody if they come into your house and try to rob you.curtkobain

I beg to differ, here in Texas you can shoot someone's head off for trespassing onto your property.

i doubt thats legal. you cant even hurt somebody if they come into your house and try to rob you.curtkobain

Ah but you are wrong my friend. There a law called The Castle law that allows you to do that if they come to your home or car(carjacking) although I don't think it is passed in all states.

Most states have a 'retreat' law of some form. The states that do have a 'self defese' law, have such with many restrictions. Unless the bank robbery was under federal jurisdiction, the state laws are going to take president over any federal statute of justifiable homicide. For example: the 'Castle Law' in Texas. If someone tries to burglarize your home while you are in it (which would actually become a robbery), you are entitled to shoot and kill them. BUT, they cannot be shot in the back. They MUST be dead. The body MUST be in your place of residence when they fall to the ground (they cannot fall outside your house, then you drag them back inside). If these conditions are not met, you are the aggressor. If they live, they can press charges against you. If they are shot in the back, they are not seen as a threat, and once again, you are liable. If they are outside your home; again, they are not seen as a threat and you are responsible for shooting them. That is what I mean. You can't just kill someone because you feel threatened. There are certain conditions that apply to those laws. That's why I say: leave the crime fighting to the experts. They are better suited to handle it.