I'm disappointed in the youth voters.

Simply because of her stance on videogames? ....

You're very perceptive aren't you? :P

[QUOTE="JackMcSexbeard"][QUOTE="Pittfan666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Pittfan666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

Pittfan666

:lol: You want the Clintons back in the White House! :lol:

LOL! I'm voting for John McCain!

Oh, and I love teh war!!!1 :D

It's better than voting for a black guy or Clinton, besides I'm not in Iraq so what's it matter to me. :D

huh?

You know very well what I mean. ;)

Maybe it went over my head but are you suggesting that we shouldnt vote for him because he is black?

[QUOTE="Maniacc1"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

Um... excuse me. I'm a young person supporting Obama and I don't bash Hillary because of her stance on video games. Rev. Wright is old news. Move on. Hillary isn't popular because she's too manipulative for the country's own good. Her stance on the issues are laughable.

The only truth here is that young voters across this country are deciding their vote on a determined and motivated candidate, which is something you should be proud of. If you can't see that, then the only person to be dissapointed in is you.

Old news? Wright was Obama's mentor for 20 years! That man is a radical racist!

I guess that character and judgment doesn't matter as long as you're told what you want to hear?

The words of one man are not those of Obama. He is a person, and he knows he made a mistake. Rev. Wright obviously turned out to be quite different than what he thought.

A radical racist is not who's running for president, Barack Obama is. Besides, they're everywhere. Rush Limbaugh anyone?

Theres a reason Obama recieves so many votes. He counts on the African Americans and the YOUNG VOTERS. Many young voters are very uneducated in politics (many not all) so they are more likely to support Obama because he is an excellent speaker and he keep promising change, of course he won't go into detail of this change, he inexperienced, he has been taught by a racist pastor, But becuause he sound cool and speaks well, a vast majority of the youth are bound to vote for him. If the youth were not voting I guarantee clinton would have the nomination.ferrari2001

See, this is what I'm talking about. Speak out against candidates all you want, but what's the point in speaking out against their supporters? Unless you've met the majority of Obama's supporters to confirm your suspicions, you can't really say anything about them to any real degree. And even if they were all uneducated in politics and just voting for him because they're stupid and easily swayed, so what?

I just don't get it.

[QUOTE="Pittfan666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"][QUOTE="Pittfan666"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

JackMcSexbeard

:lol: You want the Clintons back in the White House! :lol:

LOL! I'm voting for John McCain!

Oh, and I love teh war!!!1 :D

It's better than voting for a black guy or Clinton, besides I'm not in Iraq so what's it matter to me. :D

huh?

zomg! my ignorance-o-scouter is giving me these insane readings!

I guess that character and judgment doesn't matter as long as you're told what you want to hear?

MayorJohnny

The fact of the matter is that basically everyone gravitates to what they want to hear. It's just that some have convinced themselves that that isn't the case.

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Theres a reason Obama recieves so many votes. He counts on the African Americans and the YOUNG VOTERS. Many young voters are very uneducated in politics (many not all) so they are more likely to support Obama because he is an excellent speaker and he keep promising change, of course he won't go into detail of this change, he inexperienced, he has been taught by a racist pastor, But becuause he sound cool and speaks well, a vast majority of the youth are bound to vote for him. If the youth were not voting I guarantee clinton would have the nomination.GabuEx

See, this is what I'm talking about. Speak out against candidates all you want, but what's the point in speaking out against their supporters? Unless you've met the majority of Obama's supporters to confirm your suspicions, you can't really say anything about them to any real degree. And even if they were all uneducated in politics and just voting for him because they're stupid and easily swayed, so what?

I just don't get it.

Thank you! The older population of this country is close minded indeed.

[QUOTE="Luncbox1"]

I'd have to agree. Of all democratic systems, the two-party system is most likely the least democratic. AND the US runs by Single-Member constituencies, which is another democratic system that isn't very democratic.

It's kind of funny that America is always vehemently fighting for democracy in the world where other countries like Sweden and Finland have more democratic systems than America does.

Slump3317

Yeah, it certainly isn't the best system by far. Although, it is relatively stable I will give it that. Who knows what would happen if we kept the same election rules with a poly-party elective base. Oh, and I found this years election to be extremely amusing in that the party lines are so stereotypical. Demo=Woman, Black man Rep=old white guy (Granted a liberalish one)

Birth rate:
10.15 births/1,000 population (2008 est.)

Death rate:
10.24 deaths/1,000 population (2008 est.

[QUOTE="DivergeUnify"][QUOTE="Slump3317"]Pssh. Least their voting man. Although I'm dissappointed in our acceptance in the system as a whole. This two party bit is beginning to drag on my American high and after recently reading some of the guideline rules of the democratic party I could vomit. Definately needs some reform. Luncbox1

I'd have to agree. Of all democratic systems, the two-party system is most likely the least democratic. AND the US runs by Single-Member constituencies, which is another democratic system that isn't very democratic.

It's kind of funny that America is always vehemently fighting for democracy in the world where other countries like Sweden and Finland have more democratic systems than America does.

Isn't Hillary's campaign like 20 million dollars in debt?

If she can't run her campaign right what makes you think she can run this country?

Isn't Hillary's campaign like 20 million dollars in debt?

If she can't run her campaign right what makes you think she can run this country?

LegendaryFox77

Yeah, she had to lend her campaign some money from her own bank account. :P

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="ferrari2001"]Theres a reason Obama recieves so many votes. He counts on the African Americans and the YOUNG VOTERS. Many young voters are very uneducated in politics (many not all) so they are more likely to support Obama because he is an excellent speaker and he keep promising change, of course he won't go into detail of this change, he inexperienced, he has been taught by a racist pastor, But becuause he sound cool and speaks well, a vast majority of the youth are bound to vote for him. If the youth were not voting I guarantee clinton would have the nomination.Maniacc1

See, this is what I'm talking about. Speak out against candidates all you want, but what's the point in speaking out against their supporters? Unless you've met the majority of Obama's supporters to confirm your suspicions, you can't really say anything about them to any real degree. And even if they were all uneducated in politics and just voting for him because they're stupid and easily swayed, so what?

I just don't get it.

Thank you! The older population of this country is close minded indeed.

And it is important. If we electing a guy to run our country, keep us out of wars, defend us, etc... he better have a pretty darn good resume and Obama doesn't. His would be the worse. He's the equivalent of a 1st year business major applying for the CEO position of GE or GM. Oh but he'll look the part real nice. I bet he'll smell good while hes at it too.

[QUOTE="snorkel5"]

People who vote for hillary are ignorant and stupid.

walton13

Ironic considering many of Obama's supporters think that they will actually make a difference in government, his "yes WE can" is a load of crap, he just says hope and change and the kids go crazy for him

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

Hillary is a liar like her man.

[QUOTE="walton13"][QUOTE="snorkel5"]

People who vote for hillary are ignorant and stupid.

Redgarl

Ironic considering many of Obama's supporters think that they will actually make a difference in government, his "yes WE can" is a load of crap, he just says hope and change and the kids go crazy for him

Well, most of his supporters aren't thinking clearly.

fillini

That basically translates to "I don't know what his supporters are thinking". The fact that you don't understand why people support him over the other candidates doesn't mean that there is no legitimate reason to do so.

You care about experience and don't support Obama because he doesn't have it. That's fine. However, that doesn't mean that that's the "right" reason to support a candidate and that everyone who doesn't come to an identical conclusion as you is somehow "not thinking clearly". All that insulting Obama's supporters will do is to put them on the defensive and galvanize them against what you're saying.

[QUOTE="fillini"]

Well, most of his supporters aren't thinking clearly.

GabuEx

That basically translates to "I don't know what his supporters are thinking". The fact that you don't understand why people support him over the other candidates doesn't mean that there is no legitimate reason to do so.

You care about experience and don't support Obama because he doesn't have it. That's fine. However, that doesn't mean that that's the "right" reason to support a candidate and that everyone who doesn't come to an identical conclusion as you is somehow "not thinking clearly". All that insulting Obama's supporters will do is to put them on the defensive and galvanize them against what you're saying.

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

He is a spellbinding speaker for sure...

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

Why would you be disappointed in people with a slightly different opinion than you? Should I be disappointed in every single person voting for McCain because I think we should be pulling our troops out of Iraq as fast as the planes and load and unload them?

Or should I just realize, with maturity, that other people have different visions of how our country should be run, and that's okay. I don't have to be disappointed in anyone, even if I find their stances immoral and incorrect.

I don't generalize every person voting for McCain, so why are you generalizing every young person voting for Obama? Do you have a logical position or are you simply jumping on the bandwagon of "Omg Obama has like, no experience, young voters suck for being dumb."?

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

I'm dissapointed that anyone would assign importance to those ambiguos and vague associations while ignoring Hillary's constant lying, populism, and dirty tactics. Granted, I'm not an obama fan through and through but I am a Hillary hater. i would vote for Joh nEdwards if here still in the race

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

I'm an Obama supporter, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. Obama has used the word 'change' thousands of times in the duration of his campaign, but there is very little substance there. The only stances that he'll firmly take are on the gas tax and the war. He hasn't released a fully comprehensive healthcare plan, nor any ideas for economic stimulus. I want him to be Prez, but he needs to get his opinions out there. I know he's holding back so that he isn't accused even more of being a 'liberal,' but it's for the best.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

Lord__Darkstorn

I'm an Obama supporter, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. Obama has used the word 'change' thousands of times in the duration of his campaign, but there is very little substance there. The only stances that he'll firmly take are on the gas tax and the war. He hasn't released a fully comprehensive healthcare plan, nor any ideas for economic stimulus. I want him to be Prez, but he needs to get his opinions out there. I know he's holding back so that he isn't accused even more of being a 'liberal,' but it's for the best.

[QUOTE="Lord__Darkstorn"][QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

fillini

I'm an Obama supporter, but I can definitely see where you're coming from. Obama has used the word 'change' thousands of times in the duration of his campaign, but there is very little substance there. The only stances that he'll firmly take are on the gas tax and the war. He hasn't released a fully comprehensive healthcare plan, nor any ideas for economic stimulus. I want him to be Prez, but he needs to get his opinions out there. I know he's holding back so that he isn't accused even more of being a 'liberal,' but it's for the best.

...and that's why John Edwards' endorsement of him today was so important; Edwards is seen as a 'working class hero,' especialy among white, working-class (unionized) voters. An Obama/Edwards ticket could balance out the infamous 'bitter' comments.

...and that's why John Edwards' endorsement of him today was so important; Edwards is seen as a 'working class hero,' especialy among white, working-class (unionized) voters. An Obama/Edwards ticket could balance out the infamous 'bitter' comments.

Lord__Darkstorn

The lack of experience between the two is going to burn them if that is the combo.

[QUOTE="Lord__Darkstorn"]

...and that's why John Edwards' endorsement of him today was so important; Edwards is seen as a 'working class hero,' especialy among white, working-class (unionized) voters. An Obama/Edwards ticket could balance out the infamous 'bitter' comments.

fillini

The lack of experience between the two is going to burn them if that is the combo.

I do agree, especially if McCain picks an old person to be his running mate. It will seem to voters to be a battle between the new and the old, the youth and the 'man,' etc. I think that would alienate older voters and independents, bith of which the Dems need to get the Presidency. Even so, I'd think that the ideal ticket now would be Obama/Edwards, just so they can get some of the white-working class vote.

Did you even read the rest of my reply. If you did then you are either a Obama supporter or you chose to ignore my point. Don't pull a part of someone's reply out and not address the real meat of it. It's bad form.fillini

I could have quoted the whole thing and the response would have been the same. The fact is that you can't understand why Obama's supporters support him, and thus you're concluding from that that there is no reason to support him. I shouldn't have to say why that obviously doesn't follow.

Like I said, you've stated that you look for experience, which leads you to not supporting Obama. That's fine. But don't act as if you've found the one true reason to support a candidate. There are many reasons to do so.

And if you want me to list one thing that Obama has accomplished... well, he sponsored 823 bills in the Illinois Senate and another 112 (select Obama from the senators drop-down) in the federal Senate. But in all honesty, I could say anything and it wouldn't matter. I'm not interested in debating Obama's merits; what I'm saying is that it's pointless and silly to attack or insult Obama's supporters for supporting him.

Where are the Ron Paul/Alan Keyes youth voters! :o

Those two Republicans both stand firm on a number of vital public policy issues. Their positions derive from the truths expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the protections guaranteed by the Constitution.

[QUOTE="fillini"]Did you even read the rest of my reply. If you did then you are either a Obama supporter or you chose to ignore my point. Don't pull a part of someone's reply out and not address the real meat of it. It's bad form.GabuEx

I could have quoted the whole thing and the response would have been the same. The fact is that you can't understand why Obama's supporters support him, and thus you're concluding from that that there is no reason to support him. I shouldn't have to say why that obviously doesn't follow.

Like I said, you've stated that you look for experience, which leads you to not supporting Obama. That's fine. But don't act as if you've found the one true reason to support a candidate. There are many reasons to do so.

And if you want me to list one thing that Obama has accomplished... well, he sponsored 823 bills in the Illinois Senate and another 112 (select Obama from the senators drop-down) in the federal Senate. But in all honesty, I could say anything and it wouldn't matter. I'm not interested in debating Obama's merits; what I'm saying is that it's pointless and silly to attack or insult Obama's supporters for supporting him.

[QUOTE="MayorJohnny"]

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

Pittfan666

:lol: You want the Clintons back in the White House! :lol:

I wouldn't mind the Clintons back in the White House, but I'm not American, so I guess what I want doesn't matter. But from an outsider's perspective, Bill Clinton was by far your best president since Kennedy (though I am much too young to have seen Kennedy in action)... Virtually the whole world liked Clinton. Hillary has nothing on him, but she certainly seems to have a lot more substance to her policies than Obama's empty rhetoric and populist calls for change. "Yes we can"... What the hell does that even mean?

In any event, whether it's McCain, Clinton, or Obama, it will sure be an improvement on your current president. I actually don't mind George W., as he seems to have a very sharp sense of humour, but the vast majority of his policies have been utterly distasteful to me and pretty much everyone else outside the US.

go obama gogo obama go!SkyFlakez

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

These things don't matter.

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

I guess they were smarter to vote for Obama for other reasons...

I'm very disappointed in the massive support for Obama from young voters. They seem to tune out all of his baggage (Rev. Wright, Farrakhan, and William Ayers), yet Hillary is not popular and is bashed simply because of her stance against selling violent video games to minors.

This is crazy. Do they not want the truth? It seems that they want sugar-coated hyperbole. It's like they've been put into a trance by the "Change" rhetoric.

MayorJohnny

haha

Let me guess, you are a Bush fanboy?

Obama will be the best thing to happen to the USA in ages imo.

"Everyone without the same opinion of mine are ignorant and wrong!"

Thats what I got out of your post.

This is my first time voting, and I'm voting for McCain.

Not all of us young people are Obama zombies.;)

So because you don't like Obama other people are wrong for liking him?king23_