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#1 Infinite_Souls
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This might sound uneducated because I don't know anything about evolution per say, but If you put two humans that were strong enough to withstand living in an environment with a sustantially greater gravitational pull and they mated, would the baby naturally grow to be stronger because of the environment? Like be a super baby? Or would it just die / be mutated?

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#2 Kcube
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It would be normal on their planet and on ours they would be like superman.

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#3 Pirate700
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It would have to be stronger because everyone would weigh more.

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#4 RandoIph
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That kind of adaptation wouldn't happen that fast. I think you've been reading too many comic books, the origin of Doomsday? :D
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#5 Hakarie
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By their standards, it would be the same. In our planet, im pretty sure he's called Batista

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#6 wis3boi
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it wouldnt happen within one birth or generation, it would take a while

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#7 Infinite_Souls
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When I say sustantially greater I mean it in a real fashion, like body builder strong the people I chose would be.

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#8 RandoIph
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By their standards, it would be the same. In our planet, im pretty sure he's called Batista

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So he'd get injured every six months? Geez.
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#9 coolbeans90
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Possibilities:

1) Baby's inherits genes insufficient to survive in the environment and dies.

2) Baby inherits sufficient genes from parents and is able to live in the environment.

3) Baby goes through a mutation which genetically alters him - and said genes are both subject to possibilities 1) and 2)

This is my understanding and it may or may not be correct.

Cycle repeats for every generation. I think that mutation is relatively rare.

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#10 jimmyjammer69
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For major changes to take place in a short time, you'd need a huge population and strong selective emphasis. In your scenario you'd likely have an above average strength, dead baby.
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#11 Oleg_Huzwog
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When I say sustantially greater I mean it in a real fashion, like body builder strong the people I chose would be.

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Are they naturally strong through genetics? Or are they just buff from spending lots of time in the gym? Bench reps don't carry to the next generation.

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#12 XaosII
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When I say sustantially greater I mean it in a real fashion, like body builder strong the people I chose would be.

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The added gravity would force anyone living there to become significantly stronger in order to function in high gravity. So its not just the babies, but anyone with a long time exposure would end up becoming stronger as it requires far more strength just to move your body or even breathe.

In the short term, (like several generations) most people would likely die much younger due to added stress on their heart from both the gravity and from the extra strength requirement. In the very long term, people will likely evolve so that their organs (namely heart) can support the stress and live a bit longer. Not sure if they'll ever end up living as long as earth-gravity humans.

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#13 ZumaJones07
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Naturally? Yea I guess. As soon as it's born? Maybe, it has a whole 9 months to develop in the womb under the same gravitational pull.
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#14 metroidfood
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Well it depends. Is their exceptional strength related to their genes or is it a result of their environment (eg: working out). If the former, there is a chance that the baby might be more adapted, but it's not guaranteed.

Regardless of their starting genes though, if enough organisms are reproducing in an environment and there is some selective force (ie: less fit organisms are not reproducing as much) then the species as a whole will eventually become more adapted to that environment.

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#15 UprootedDreamer
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I think it would take a few generations before that theory would work.
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#16 Hakarie
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[QUOTE="Hakarie"]

By their standards, it would be the same. In our planet, im pretty sure he's called Batista

RandoIph

So he'd get injured every six months? Geez.

WE injure him every six months, keeps him from taking over the world.

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#17 foxhound_fox
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Evolution works over many thousands of generations. Contrary to popular misconceived belief, it does not make combinations of animals (i.e. the Crocoduck), turn dogs into cats or shoot highly advanced genetic mutations out randomly (i.e. X-Men). It is tiny little favourable mutations that build up successively over an extremely long period of time (depending on the life span of the creature; i.e. viruses and bacteria have incredibly short lifespans and thus can produce many generations in an hour, while humans have incredibly long lifespans and produce generations about every 20-30 years) that eventually turn into a trait that allows a creature to survive better than its cohorts, allowing it to more often successfully reproduce and carry those benefits into the next generation.
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#18 Blaze787
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First thought that came to mind was the Elcor in Mass Effect.

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#19 Sunfyre7896
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If their genes allowed them to have a greater success living in that environment, then they would pass those genes on to their offspring. That's how evolution works. It's an adaptation to an environment where their genes allow them a better chance of success in their environment than those without those genes. The others die off because they don't have the genes that lead to success. An example would be Norwegians that carry more body fat and are heartier people back centuries ago would survive better than skinnier, weaker people. Those genes would pass on and the weaker, skinnier genes would not.

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#20 mindstorm
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In theory as according to evolution it would over many generations. As I am not an evolutionist I am not one to believe that these future generations would "evolve" beyond what is already encoded within their DNA.

Can they adapt? Absolutely. However, I do not believe biology does more than adapt. That stated, would the eventual children in theory become by nature stronger? Yes. However, this does not mean an entirely new organ not already existing would develop as a result.

First thought that came to mind was the Elcor in Mass Effect.

Blaze787


I imagined the very same thing as well.

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#21 markop2003
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Yes but it wouldn't have anything to do with evolution, just the increased level of exercise.

This might sound uneducated because I don't know anything about evolution per say,

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Then why not go learn something about it? Wikipedia is that way >>>>>
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#22 parkurtommo
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Would take a few million years... XD

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#23 parkurtommo
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In theory as according to evolution it would over many generations. As I am not an evolutionist I am not one to believe that these future generations would "evolve" beyond what is already encoded within their DNA.

Can they adapt? Absolutely. However, I do not believe biology does more than adapt. That stated, would the eventual children in theory become by nature stronger? Yes. However, this does not mean an entirely new organ not already existing would develop as a result.

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

First thought that came to mind was the Elcor in Mass Effect.

mindstorm


I thought of that myself actually.

Where did the idea of a new organ come from? :|

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#24 mindstorm
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[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

In theory as according to evolution it would over many generations. As I am not an evolutionist I am not one to believe that these future generations would "evolve" beyond what is already encoded within their DNA.

Can they adapt? Absolutely. However, I do not believe biology does more than adapt. That stated, would the eventual children in theory become by nature stronger? Yes. However, this does not mean an entirely new organ not already existing would develop as a result.

[QUOTE="Blaze787"]

First thought that came to mind was the Elcor in Mass Effect.

parkurtommo


I thought of that myself actually.

Where did the idea of a new organ come from? :|

I am merely agreeing with the premise with the footnote that I do not believe that species can evolve into more complex species.

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#25 parkurtommo
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]
I thought of that myself actually.

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Where did the idea of a new organ come from? :|

I am merely agreeing with the premise with the footnote that I do not believe that species can evolve into more complex species.

Ok but I think this peticular situation would probably involve change in muscles and possibly some changes in organs (not a new one).