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Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
whipassmt
agreed
Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
whipassmt
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
[QUOTE="whipassmt"]Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
Domingo1093
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.
not just other countries but terrorist groups that make sure thefighting continues...
Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^jarhead1990
It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.
[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^Truth_Seekr
It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.
Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Stability will only happen when shiite and suni factions agree to get along. Thats a long way off.Darthmattthere are really big differences between the two. The only way I see stability in Iraq is to install a puppet government headed by a benign dictator we can control.
[QUOTE="Domingo1093"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
Truth_Seekr
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.
Well, the guys running show also are a part of the Project for a New American Century. Here is the neo-con play book the PNAC members drafted. Ironic how they had all this planned out in Sept 2000. Oh, search the PDF for "pearl harbor" errie! Also notice the signatories at the bottom of the doc. Also this letter. If this war and administration wasnt planned in advance, then it would be one big coincidence.Stability will only happen when shiite and suni factions agree to get along. Thats a long way off.Darthmattnot just that but split the oil
[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="Domingo1093"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
Darthmatt
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.
Well, the guys running show also are a part of the Project for a New American Century. Here is there neo-con play book. Ironic how they had all this planned out in Sept 2000. Oh, search this PDF for "pearl harbor" errie! Also notice the signatories at the bottom of the doc. Also this letter. If this war and administration wasnt planned in advance, then it would be one big coincidence. Im not reading that whole thing!! summarize it in 1 paragraph my lunch break is almost over![QUOTE="Darthmatt"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="Domingo1093"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
mig_killer2
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.
Well, the guys running show also are a part of the Project for a New American Century. Here is there neo-con play book. Ironic how they had all this planned out in Sept 2000. Oh, search this PDF for "pearl harbor" errie! Also notice the signatories at the bottom of the doc. Also this letter. If this war and administration wasnt planned in advance, then it would be one big coincidence. Im not reading that whole thing!! summarize it in 1 paragraph my lunch break is almost over!click on the "neo-con" link. Perform a word Search in that PDF for "pearl Harbor" and read the paragraph at the top of the column. Its the defense strategy designed to make America the only super power in the 21st century. Written by most of the architects of the Iraq war in spet 2000.[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="jarhead1990"]Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^mig_killer2
It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.
Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="jarhead1990"]Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^Truth_Seekr
It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.
Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories.[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]
mig_killer2
what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories.YES YES YES!! They did all the "proper steps"to support the invasion,but you dont think these people have their guys working for them with seats in Congress and the Comittee etc to help manipulate our govt to comply with what they want!? Please.
9/11 was used to launch 2 illegal wars, US vs Iraq, andUS vsAfghanistan. 9/11 was also the pretext to take away our rights, in exchange for "security". You have the Military Tribunal Act, The Department of Homeland Security which brought the Patriot Act enabling the govt to spy on US citizens and a bunch of other legislations that are designed to strip us of our civil lberties, so that we have no power asa people to fight back against what is coming.
Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
whipassmt
Perhaps but doubful, 95% of the attacks in Iraq are from INSURGENTS inside of Iraq.. Not from any outside sources such as AQ which account for the other measely 5%. Alot of people in Iraq just want us to LEAVE on all sides. Not to mention the turmoil by 3 groups of people that have hated each other for hundreds if not thousands of years, which it took the rule of a ironfisted tyrant to keep it under control.
[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="jarhead1990"]Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^mig_killer2
It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.
Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories.Your point still has no relevence though.. Big business does control our government through the use of lobbying.. Wanna know why amnesty for illegal immigrents has become such a huge issue? Part of the reason is Mexico is actually lobbying millions of dollars in our government to make it so.
Why do you think national healthcare or any form of general coverage to help some of the people are never talkeda bout? Because health care and pharmacuticals are a multiy billion dollar operation that they do everything in their power to stave off any kind of change that might harm their profits.
And no Bush invaded Saddam on the belief that HE HAD WMDs as a certainty, not "he may have". And ironically enough we have broken tons of UN sanctions and laws as well. From torture, from further designing and advancement of a our nuclear arsenal, of giving India nuclear weapons/power, ofdevolping a space weapons program and a missle defense program, of threatening a non nuclear nation of using nuclear weapons on them.. The list goes on....
In the end we have no idea why they went to Iraq, because even before the invasion there was multiple conflicting sources saying there was no WMD's what so ever.. And its getting pretty bad when the said people we were trying to rescue want us the hell out of the country on top of that.. In the end its a FUBAR operation that should have never been commited let alone this poorly, and there is really no good answer. Like a janga tower we pulled a base piece out such as Saddam and the nation is now tottering on instability to the point we have no real way of leveling the tower from falling.
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories. mig_killer2
:lol:
Dont worry, im sure its somehow americas fault. Everything is americas fault....Def_Jef88
^ Listen to this guy, he speaks the truth..:P
[QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]
Truth_Seekr
what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories.YES YES YES!! They did all the "proper steps"to support the invasion,but you dont think these people have their guys working for them with seats in Congress and the Comittee etc to help manipulate our govt to comply with what they want!? Please.
9/11 was used to launch 2 illegal wars, US vs Iraq, andUS vsAfghanistan. 9/11 was also the pretext to take away our rights, in exchange for "security". You have the Military Tribunal Act, The Department of Homeland Security which brought the Patriot Act enabling the govt to spy on US citizens and a bunch of other legislations that are designed to strip us of our civil lberties, so that we have no power asa people to fight back against what is coming.
Actually to be honest noone opposed going in to Afghanistan.. There was hard core evidence that the Taliban, the main power there, fully supported and funded AQ the group that attacked us on 9/11. We had full reason to go there because it was argued to be the center of operation for AQ.. No one argues saying it was a bad war to get into..
Ironically enough we have left there while letting Bin Ladin slip throug our fingers, and now the Taliban is resurfacing back into power.. Mission accomplished!
[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]
sSubZerOo
what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories.YES YES YES!! They did all the "proper steps"to support the invasion,but you dont think these people have their guys working for them with seats in Congress and the Comittee etc to help manipulate our govt to comply with what they want!? Please.
9/11 was used to launch 2 illegal wars, US vs Iraq, andUS vsAfghanistan. 9/11 was also the pretext to take away our rights, in exchange for "security". You have the Military Tribunal Act, The Department of Homeland Security which brought the Patriot Act enabling the govt to spy on US citizens and a bunch of other legislations that are designed to strip us of our civil lberties, so that we have no power asa people to fight back against what is coming.
Actually to be honest noone opposed going in to Afghanistan.. There was hard core evidence that the Taliban, the main power there, fully supported and funded AQ the group that attacked us on 9/11. We had full reason to go there because it was argued to be the center of operation for AQ.. No one argues saying it was a bad war to get into..
Ironically enough we have left there while letting Bin Ladin slip throug our fingers, and now the Taliban is resurfacing back into power.. Mission accomplished!
I dont think I get what you're saying....
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="mig_killer2"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"]Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:[QUOTE="jarhead1990"]
Truth_Seekr
what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
Sorry, but WTH is Zeigtgeist?
I already explained a few posts up. Anyways it would be the private holders of the US govt that are to gain from the United States invasion of Iraq/Middle East, to push forth their idea.
I know my stuff from years of independant research.I've provided motive, gain,and interest.Can you prove otherwise if you cant agree with me other than just "he's nuts"?
the people who run our government are not some secret society or some private corporation or something:P our government is run by the US congress, US president, and the supreme court. George W. Bush proposed we invade Iraq on the basis that saddam may have had WMDs (that might have not been the real motive, but saddam did break many UN resolutions after the first gulf war). Congress approved of the action. when saddam didn't leave Iraq, the invasion begun. dont try to brainwash us with your conspiracy theories.YES YES YES!! They did all the "proper steps"to support the invasion,but you dont think these people have their guys working for them with seats in Congress and the Comittee etc to help manipulate our govt to comply with what they want!? Please.
9/11 was used to launch 2 illegal wars, US vs Iraq, andUS vsAfghanistan. 9/11 was also the pretext to take away our rights, in exchange for "security". You have the Military Tribunal Act, The Department of Homeland Security which brought the Patriot Act enabling the govt to spy on US citizens and a bunch of other legislations that are designed to strip us of our civil lberties, so that we have no power asa people to fight back against what is coming.
Actually to be honest noone opposed going in to Afghanistan.. There was hard core evidence that the Taliban, the main power there, fully supported and funded AQ the group that attacked us on 9/11. We had full reason to go there because it was argued to be the center of operation for AQ.. No one argues saying it was a bad war to get into..
Ironically enough we have left there while letting Bin Ladin slip throug our fingers, and now the Taliban is resurfacing back into power.. Mission accomplished!
I dont think I get what you're saying....
I am being sarcastic on our strategies, that we have infact turned our back on a place that was possibly the epicenter for the group that attacked us on 9/11.. That one of their primary supporters the Taliban are resurfacing in power.. Yet the United States government claims we are fighting the war on terror.
Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
whipassmt
Agree.
Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
whipassmt
The same could be said if Iraq didn't have three segregated groups that were trying to kill each other for hundreds of years.
[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"] [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Actually to be honest noone opposed going in to Afghanistan.. There was hard core evidence that the Taliban, the main power there, fully supported and funded AQ the group that attacked us on 9/11. We had full reason to go there because it was argued to be the center of operation for AQ.. No one argues saying it was a bad war to get into..
Ironically enough we have left there while letting Bin Ladin slip throug our fingers, and now the Taliban is resurfacing back into power.. Mission accomplished!
sSubZerOo
I dont think I get what you're saying....
I am being sarcastic on our strategies, that we have infact turned our back on a place that was possibly the epicenter for the group that attacked us on 9/11.. That one of their primary supporters the Taliban are resurfacing in power.. Yet the United States government claims we are fighting the war on terror.
Well it is a proven, yet hidden fact that the Taliban & CIA were actully working in conjunction to finance some, if not allof theattacks in the Middle East. Then there is this hypothesis that I have yet to dig deep on that suggests that the Bush & bin Laden families have ties to the Royal throne in England, or something of that nature.I can see the Bushs, as they have a undeniable facial features of the Queen & Prince etc, and therefore I see the blooodline resemblance, but the bin Ladens?, I dont know about all that.
[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="jarhead1990"]Damn ni66a...you a politician or something because you know ur sh1t lol.^^mig_killer2
It's just easy to see how the manipulation is being done. Don't swallow what tv & newspapers tell you, look it up, and realize this world is not how it seems.
Oh dear god, not another zeigtgeist fan:roll:what benefit does the US government have to gain from sustaining the war in Iraq? I can understand that we would want to build permanent military bases to help stabilize the region, but why would we want to sustain the conflict?
BTW jarhead, truth_seeker isn't a politician and doesn't know his sh1t. he's just another brainwashed fan of zeitgeist(did I spell that right? even if I didn't, you know what I mean) the movie
To line their pockets of course....companies have alot of politicians on their pay list to keep thingshow they want it. And before youeven try to accuse anything i say of being brainwashed from that movie,which i havent even seen...until recently i thought it was just the name of the new smashing pumpkins album. It comes down to the fact that either the government is stupid or they have something to gain from this war when so many people are calling for an end to this.
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"] [QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]Actually to be honest noone opposed going in to Afghanistan.. There was hard core evidence that the Taliban, the main power there, fully supported and funded AQ the group that attacked us on 9/11. We had full reason to go there because it was argued to be the center of operation for AQ.. No one argues saying it was a bad war to get into..
Ironically enough we have left there while letting Bin Ladin slip throug our fingers, and now the Taliban is resurfacing back into power.. Mission accomplished!
Truth_Seekr
I dont think I get what you're saying....
I am being sarcastic on our strategies, that we have infact turned our back on a place that was possibly the epicenter for the group that attacked us on 9/11.. That one of their primary supporters the Taliban are resurfacing in power.. Yet the United States government claims we are fighting the war on terror.
Well it is a proven, yet hidden fact that the Taliban & CIA were actully working in conjunction to finance some, if not allof theattacks in the Middle East. Then there is this hypothesis that I have yet to dig deep on that suggests that the Bush & bin Laden families have ties to the Royal throne in England, or something of that nature.I can see the Bushs, as they have a undeniable facial features of the Queen & Prince etc, and therefore I see the blooodline resemblance, but the bin Ladens?, I dont know about all that.
Ah yeah I am not argueing that. The United States has supported all sorts of people in the Middle east from Saddam in Iraq, to the Shah in Iran, Taliban in afghanistan (fighing the soviets) and the Saudi Arabians now. I am not sure about the second part that seems very very far fetched.. What is common knownledge though is the Bush Family is very very very close friends with the Bin Ladins and Saudi Arabian royal family which they met through business connections.
Dont worry, im sure its somehow americas fault. Everything is americas fault....Def_Jef88everything in the middle east is the fault of radical Islam and it's greatest perpetuater the ayatollahs in Iran, the only way for mideast peace is to get rid of those ayatollahs.
Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
whipassmt
10000000% agreed.
How do we stop Iran and Syria from harming Iraq? Israel nukes Syria and we carpet bomb the bejezus out of Iran.
[QUOTE="Domingo1093"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
Truth_Seekr
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.
You really have quite the imagination, of course that is all it is, imagination. Tell me how we are going to divide the region up without consent of the Iraqi government, we are trying to stabilize the government not divide it up, thats the last thing we need. As for Defense Contractors, as of now the only major one is the US Military, spending tax payer dollars, i dont think the government wants the Iraq situation to be sustained that would just be a huge waste of money, and as for permanent military bases, we have them all over the world including Iraq we have many large ones in every major country in the world. You do realize that all the oil that comes from Iraq goes Directly to rebuilding the infrastructure, we are not stealing oil because if we were gas prices wouldn't be $3.50 a gallon.
[QUOTE="Truth_Seekr"][QUOTE="Domingo1093"][QUOTE="whipassmt"]Do you think it would be more stable if Iran and Syria were acting like responsible and decent countries and not interfering and underming Iraq, Supporting militias, and sending in foreign fighters and IEDs.
I think it would be more secure but probably not totally stable, but there would be less civilian and U.S. casualties.
UrbanSpartan125
I would rather say that the main problem comes from the presence of the US troops in Iraq. The US acted without the approbation of the Security Council of the UN and now they stuck over there without the support of the international community. If you want a solution to U.S. casualties, just bring back those guys home. Iraq is now a real mess and the country is currently living a violent civil war. The US troops don't even know who they're fighting...how do you want them to win ? There will be no victory in Iraq.
The war is made to look like it's going badly, and most Americans think it is. However the fact that the public fails to see, is that the destabilization is exactly what the "architects" behind the govt wanted. The Iraq War is not to be won, it is to be sustained so that the region can be divided up, domination of the oil maintained, continual profits stack up for the defense contractors, and most importantly, to have permanent military bases established to be used as a launching pad against other oil bearing-nonconforming countries such as Iran & Syria.
You really have quite the imagination, of course that is all it is, imagination. Tell me how we are going to divide the region up without consent of the Iraqi government, we are trying to stabilize the government not divide it up, thats the last thing we need. As for Defense Contractors, as of now the only major one is the US Military, spending tax payer dollars, i dont think the government wants the Iraq situation to be sustained that would just be a huge waste of money, and as for permanent military bases, we have them all over the world including Iraq we have many large ones in every major country in the world. You do realize that all the oil that comes from Iraq goes Directly to rebuilding the infrastructure, we are not stealing oil because if we were gas prices wouldn't be $3.50 a gallon. he is trying to say that there is a conspiracy of international bankers who are trying not to win the war in iraq, but to just sustain it so they can make money. He doesn't have an imagination. he's just brainwashed to believe this conspiracy crapPlease Log In to post.
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