Is America a dirty word?

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

West123

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

Yes it's a dirty word, a continent name that some people in a country decided to take it for their country cuz they are stupid, selfish, and stupid

[QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

H8sMikeMoore

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

Well, same goes for America "loving"...

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

jointed

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

Well, same goes for America "loving"...

i dont think so

If you're a poor person living in a less developed country you have an absolute boatload of reasons to despise america - and every western nation for that matter. The UK is just as bad.

A lot of people have very, very good reasons for disliking the west, however i find that a lot of "mindless" hate takes place; as in people having a pop at american topics simply for the sake of it being american.

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

West123

see, thats the dilemna.

I, as an American, hate the US government for the majority of the time. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate them, especially my state government (wooo go Governator), but it is extremely important that people separate the US from America.

Americans wake up, put their pants on one leg at a time, and go to school or work just like the rest of the world.

The US government well, if you want to dislike them, thats fine by me but just dont associate the citizans of America with the US government.

OHHH NO! you said the 'A' word, well ill say goodbye now since you are gunna be band :P

eh, America is only hated because its the most powerful country in the world, people from other coutries are just jealous, so they pick on all thair bad points and refuse to see the good points, if another country takes over the rains as the most powerful, people will start hating that country aswell

BTW im an Aussie so you cant accuse me of being biased:)

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

H8sMikeMoore

That's what i'm saying. People who bash America tend to have no idea why they are; however again, there are plenty of reasons for having such a point of view.

OHHH NO! you said the 'A' word, well ill say goodbye now since you are gunna be band :P

eh, America is only hated because its the most powerful country in the world, people from other coutries are just jealous, so they pick on all thair bad points and refuse to see the good points, if another country takes over the rains as the most powerful, people will start hating that country aswell

BTW im an Aussie so you cant accuse me of being biased:)

Nemesis4747

I'd say that attitude is exactly why a lot of people dislike America however. :?

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

H8sMikeMoore

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

Well, same goes for America "loving"...

i dont think so

:lol: Of course you don't...

[QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

mrbojangles25

see, thats the dilemna.

I, as an American, hate the US government for the majority of the time. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate them, especially my state government (wooo go Governator), but it is extremely important that people separate the US from America.

Americans wake up, put their pants on one leg at a time, and go to school or work just like the rest of the world.

The US government well, if you want to dislike them, thats fine by me but just dont associate the citizans of America with the US government.

If Arny was president, nobody would hate america. It'd be the best country of all time. :P

I'd say that attitude is exactly why a lot of people dislike America however. :?

Ninja-Hippo

[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"][QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

Ninja-Hippo

see, thats the dilemna.

I, as an American, hate the US government for the majority of the time. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate them, especially my state government (wooo go Governator), but it is extremely important that people separate the US from America.

Americans wake up, put their pants on one leg at a time, and go to school or work just like the rest of the world.

The US government well, if you want to dislike them, thats fine by me but just dont associate the citizans of America with the US government.

If Arny was president, nobody would hate america. It'd be the best country of all time. :P

I agree. I love the guy, even though he is responsible for getting my mom almost-fired 3 times (He is, to sum up, the anti-education).

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

I'd say that attitude is exactly why a lot of people dislike America however. :?

CIoud_S

Can you rephrase that because i dont even know what it is you're saying. I dont mean that offensively or anything, i'm just not sure what you're saying.

It's very easy to hate any country. If you put any nation under the microscope and examine its past history and current policies, you're going to find fault. You can portray them in such a fashion as to make them appear as monsters or ignorant morons. You can make generalizations and false assumptions to fuel your hate and argument. But does that reflect poorly on that nation or yourself?sonicare

The nation. :? If you have a number of good, legitimate reasons to be unhappy with a country, how is that a bad thing? Personally i think it's much worse to shrug all that off and pretend things are fine and dandy.

A family whose father has been taken from his home at night time and thrown into guantanamo bay without charge or hearing has every right to be unhappy with the US.

If you're a poor person living in a less developed country you have an absolute boatload of reasons to despise america - and every western nation for that matter. The UK is just as bad.

A lot of people have very, very good reasons for disliking the west, however i find that a lot of "mindless" hate takes place; as in people having a pop at american topics simply for the sake of it being american.

Ninja-Hippo

Yup, and you know what? Screw 'em.

I work my ass off, and so do most of the other people in this country. You have no idea how many people work over 50 hours a week, every week.

In short, Americans earn their good life.

Now, if these poor people in less developed countries are poor as a result of Western politics, thats fine if they want to hate Western politics. I will even agree with many of their criticisms.

Its just frustrating when people badmouth my countrymen when we don't do anything to the rest of the world. In the end, a man is only responsible for himself and his family. Maybe if these poor countries would adopt that mentality, and quit casting blame, they could get somewhere. But no, they dont want to work hard...its easier to accept handouts from the UN and complain than it is to work to better yourself and your country.

I am taking a History of the American West class right now and it is shocking how young the US really is. Its a testament to how hard we have worked to bring this country so far in such a short amount of time.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's very easy to hate any country. If you put any nation under the microscope and examine its past history and current policies, you're going to find fault. You can portray them in such a fashion as to make them appear as monsters or ignorant morons. You can make generalizations and false assumptions to fuel your hate and argument. But does that reflect poorly on that nation or yourself?Ninja-Hippo

The nation. :? If you have a number of good, legitimate reasons to be unhappy with a country, how is that a bad thing? Personally i think it's much worse to shrug all that off and pretend things are fine and dandy.

A family whose father has been taken from his home at night time and thrown into guantanamo bay without charge or hearing has every right to be unhappy with the US.

But does that justify him, generalizing the american public? Does that justify him trying to dehumanize the american people? There's a difference between attacking an unfair policy or adminstration and attacking "the people" - many of whom would are in agreement with that father.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]It's very easy to hate any country. If you put any nation under the microscope and examine its past history and current policies, you're going to find fault. You can portray them in such a fashion as to make them appear as monsters or ignorant morons. You can make generalizations and false assumptions to fuel your hate and argument. But does that reflect poorly on that nation or yourself?Ninja-Hippo

The nation. :? If you have a number of good, legitimate reasons to be unhappy with a country, how is that a bad thing? Personally i think it's much worse to shrug all that off and pretend things are fine and dandy.

A family whose father has been taken from his home at night time and thrown into guantanamo bay without charge or hearing has every right to be unhappy with the US.

What if that father is responsible for killing soldiers or his native people?

Maybe I am mistaken, but it almost sounds like you are faulting a country for looking after itself.

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

West123

theyr're not america they're international companies based in america

I think most of it is to do with america being unable to keep themselves out of other people's wars and iraq

But does that justify him, generalizing the american public? Does that justify him trying to dehumanize the american people? There's a difference between attacking an unfair policy or adminstration and attacking "the people" - many of whom would are in agreement with that father.sonicare

I'd say when the people are directly responsible for placing the administration in office (twice), a generalization of the public is justified.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]

If you're a poor person living in a less developed country you have an absolute boatload of reasons to despise america - and every western nation for that matter. The UK is just as bad.

A lot of people have very, very good reasons for disliking the west, however i find that a lot of "mindless" hate takes place; as in people having a pop at american topics simply for the sake of it being american.

mrbojangles25

Yup, and you know what? Screw 'em.

I work my ass off, and so do most of the other people in this country. You have no idea how many people work over 50 hours a week, every week.

In short, Americans earn their good life.

Now, if these poor people in less developed countries are poor as a result of Western politics, thats fine if they want to hate Western politics. I will even agree with many of their criticisms.

Its just frustrating when people badmouth my countrymen when we don't do anything to the rest of the world. In the end, a man is only responsible for himself and his family. Maybe if these poor countries would adopt that mentality, and quit casting blame, they could get somewhere. But no, they dont want to work hard...its easier to accept handouts from the UN and complain than it is to work to better yourself and your country.

I am taking a History of the American West class right now and it is shocking how young the US really is. Its a testament to how hard we have worked to bring this country so far in such a short amount of time.

I agree that it's completely wrong to show dislike towards the citizen. It's the government you should have beef with, but i think "screw 'em" is a very unhealthy attitude.

Think of the number of countries in the last 50 years who have had governments put in place by America. Look at Iran; they had a democratically elected government which was brought down and replaced by a more monarch-like ruler because America intervened for their own gains. I'm not america-bashing or anything like that so please dont get me wrong. Plenty of countries - if not all of them - do terrible things for personal gain. I'm just trying to point out that many many people have very good reasons to be critical of the US, especially if you're a poor family in a foreign country, and your life is affected on a daily basis by a very rich, afluent nation exploiting you for further wealth.

I hate the way Americans get so defensive about their country. Start an "I hate Britain" thread and an "I hate America" thread simultaneously and I believe you will get very different responses. We aren't so big on patriotism, there was mass outrage at the idea that we could adopt an Ameica-style pledge of allegience

Most of the hate in the western world probably stems from how right-wing America is compared to the majority of the western world in social and pollitical terms. It doesn't help that the media, at least in Britain, only reports on the far-right creationist gun-nuts. It creates a stereotype of America being rather backwards. Also, Britain is far more secular, so any mention of God does tend to make us feel uneasy, and you do get mocked for your fundamentalists and televangelists (of which we have none whatsoever, to my knowledge anyway).

Lastly, one cannot honestly say that America's foreign policy is unblemished. some absolutely shocking things have been done in the name of American interests. I agree that it is unfair to blame the whole country for these events, and that America is not the sole perpatrator of such activities, but that can still create resentment

What if that father is responsible for killing soldiers or his native people?

Maybe I am mistaken, but it almost sounds like you are faulting a country for looking after itself.

mrbojangles25

You're acting like they're all guilty. Some will be, definately. But there are some prisoners who were held for years under such brutal conditions, only to be found innocent and released. There are many held now who have been wrongly arrested with not a shred of evidence supporting their imprisonment.

It's wrong on a fundamental level and you cant fault people for being upset about it.

But does that justify him, generalizing the american public? Does that justify him trying to dehumanize the american people? There's a difference between attacking an unfair policy or adminstration and attacking "the people" - many of whom would are in agreement with that father.

sonicare

Many of whom wouldn't care less and would go about their lives without the slightest bit of interest in the terrible things their government does abroad. That's what harbours resentment. Is it right? Probably not. You cant expect people to take up arms and riot whenever there's injustice in the world, but again, i'm just explaining why it's wrong to say that people hate on america for no reason.

It's a fact that millions of people live in poverty so that American citizens who already have plenty of money, can have some more. Simple. Although that applies to many western nations, especially the UK which is in exactly the same boat as the USA. In that respect you could say that America maybe receives more anger and disdain than some countries which are just as bad.

But the disdain is very much justified. Undoudtedly.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]But does that justify him, generalizing the american public? Does that justify him trying to dehumanize the american people? There's a difference between attacking an unfair policy or adminstration and attacking "the people" - many of whom would are in agreement with that father.Oleg_Huzwog

I'd say when the people are directly responsible for placing the administration in office (twice), a generalization of the public is justified.

When less than 50% of the populace voted for him? Great generalization. Do you generalize various ethnic groups as well?

thats funny? the fact that I like the culture of my country? You cant be over the age of 13. seriously

H8sMikeMoore

No offense but you did say that people who dislike america are usually ignorant, but people who love it usually are not. Come on... :|

When less than 50% of the populace voted for him? Great generalization. Do you generalize various ethnic groups as well?

sonicare

I think the American people get a bum rap over Bush. Why a terrorist would target citizens who have nothing but disdain for their president is beyond me.

[QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="jointed"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

H8sMikeMoore

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

Well, same goes for America "loving"...

i dont think so

:lol: Of course you don't...

thats funny? the fact that I like the culture of my country? You cant be over the age of 13. seriously

Who said anything about culture?

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

thats funny? the fact that I like the culture of my country? You cant be over the age of 13. seriously

Ninja-Hippo

No offense but you did say that people who dislike america are usually ignorant, but people who love it usually are not. Come on... :|

no, I said people who get into america bashing are ignorant, because they are. Its one thing to disagree with things the government does, but to go all out america bashing just makes you seem like an idiot.

people really like to dismiss all the great things america has done for this world, you can do that all you want but it will never change history.

When less than 50% of the populace voted for him? Great generalization. Do you generalize various ethnic groups as well?

sonicare

Huh? He had over 50% the second time around; it was the first time in nearly 20 years that happened. And I don't see the connection to ethnicity...

people really like to dismiss all the great things america has done for this world, you can do that all you want but it will never change history.

H8sMikeMoore

Dont twist your own words. :| You said that most people who bash america. He said that the same goes for people who love it. You said "i dont think so".

So you're basically saying, loving america = good, smart, well informed person

Not liking america = ignorant person, "makes you seem like an idiot" to quote you.

[QUOTE="sonicare"]When less than 50% of the populace voted for him? Great generalization. Do you generalize various ethnic groups as well?

Oleg_Huzwog

Huh? He had over 50% the second time around; it was the first time in nearly 20 years that happened. And I don't see the connection to ethnicity...

Not 50% of the POPULATION, 50% of registered voters. There's a huge difference. And many people that voted for Bush did not do so for his foreign policy. There are many platforms that politicians run on. And the connection to ethnicity is regarding generalizations in general. Generalizing an entire group of people is a bad thing and has been used to fuel racism and ethnic hate in the past.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

people really like to dismiss all the great things america has done for this world, you can do that all you want but it will never change history.

Ninja-Hippo

Dont twist your own words. :| You said that most people who bash america. He said that the same goes for people who love it. You said "i dont think so".

So you're basically saying, loving america = good, smart, well informed person

Not liking america = ignorant person, "makes you seem like an idiot" to quote you.

oh you're talking about that. Theres nothing wrong with loving your country.

I didnt say not liking america makes you ignorant, I dont actually care what outsiders think because its honestly not even relevant.

But, I said AMERICA BASHING makes you seem like an idiot. Im talking about blatant anti-americanism. It was painfully obvious and im surprised I had to point that out.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"][QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"]

people really like to dismiss all the great things america has done for this world, you can do that all you want but it will never change history.

H8sMikeMoore

Dont twist your own words. :| You said that most people who bash america. He said that the same goes for people who love it. You said "i dont think so".

So you're basically saying, loving america = good, smart, well informed person

Not liking america = ignorant person, "makes you seem like an idiot" to quote you.

oh you're talking about that. Theres nothing wrong with loving your country.

I didnt say not liking america makes you ignorant, I dont actually care what outsiders think because its honestly not even relevant.

But, I said AMERICA BASHING makes you seem like an idiot. Im talking about blatant anti-americanism. It was painfully obvious and im surprised I had to point that out.

Point out when anybody at all said that. I really cant stand that always been used as a counter-arguement on this topic. Nobody said that. I for one sure as heck didn't say that. Yet there it is.

"I didn't say not liking america makes you ignorant"

"when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant."

:lol:

As for anyone outside of america commenting on anything american being irrelevant, i'd say that's simple xenophobia. You're honestly going to say that any view or comment made regarding america is irrelevant if you aren't american? :?

And as for the "painfully obvious", america-bashing and anti-americanism are one in the same. :|

'K.

[QUOTE="H8sMikeMoore"][QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

jointed

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

Well, same goes for America "loving"...

Loving one's country does not make one ignorant, sorry :roll:helium_flash

He said that, more often than not, hating america is the result of ignorance. He then said that the same goes for loving it blindly.

What's wrong with that? :|

[QUOTE="West123"]

Im a not an American but i think its weird that so many people are so against America...lots say they hate or dislike America but yet they drink coco-cola buy and1 sneakers...listen to your music and watch your movies...not to mention follow your trends...

if you're a hater please give us a reason apart from the few people in power...

H8sMikeMoore

when it comes to america bashing, people are more often than not ignorant.

I am from Norway and i love America very much! Even though the living condition there are kinda unsafe due to terrosist, school shooting and all that negative effects i would still love to live there. Welis

Honestly, that's actually the result of hysteria, used by the government to create a climate of fear so that policy which would usually be criticised can be implemented. It was exactly the same with the Red Scare.

Just look at this simple fact; more americans have died as a result of being hit by lightening than as a result of terrorism. Yet what do you think the average citizen is more afraid of?