IS GOD REAL??? (poll)

This isn't flamebait at all. :|

another thread about god....

I'll vote for no :)

Stand a better chance with science - even if it is old Sci-Fi

God is most certainly real. Were it not true, billions of people wouldn't be religious. The real question is whether or not God is an entity/being that can affect the universe, or merely an idea.pianist

Now you know that most OTers can't grasp such a concept. :P

of course He is real. without Him, we wouldnt be gifted with this lifeGFahim

And you know this how? 

of course He is real. without Him, we wouldnt be gifted with this lifeGFahim

Wait...let me get this straight...you're going to base your life opinions...on the gamespot community....?DaveGamer_05

Its an experiment of mine for Biology class. :P

[QUOTE="pianist"]God is most certainly real. Were it not true, billions of people wouldn't be religious. The real question is whether or not God is an entity/being that can affect the universe, or merely an idea.Sajo7

Now you know that most OTers can't grasp such a concept. :P

It's surprising what people can grasp after the idea's been presented to them for the first time.  That's why education is such a great thing.  And it's also why people who don't take education seriously end up sounding rather dumb by comparison to those who are interested in learning.

of course He is real. without Him, we wouldnt be gifted with this lifeGFahim

That's some cold hard evidence you've got there. Thanks for showing me the way.

aww... stop religious topic!!!DLXSD

I'm going to say this as politely as I can after saying the same thing dozens of times over a period of several years: if you don't like a topic, GTFO and don't post. Nothing is accomplished by writing "I don't like this topic" in a topic.  Religious topics are here to stay, whether you like them or not.  It's really easy NOT to click a topic, and even easier to NOT click 'reply' and waste your time writing a response about how you don't like the topic.

I believe in Egg. Egg is an all-knowing being, omnipotent as he is giving. I only seek to be with Egg for the rest of my life, and those who do not believe Egg cast into the darkness. Blessed be his off-white exterior.

In all seriousness, not really. I don't really care if people do, unless they have some weird belief like homophobia or Eggs being unholy, foul things. In my opinion, people of religion are also hypocritical when it comes to criticizing Scientology, which is no different than Christianity.  

aww... stop religious topic!!!DLXSD

If you dont like it so much, why are you posting in it, therefore helping it?

the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?GFahim

god is a word... to apply such a label is limiting the limitless

i'll go ahead though, and limit some more - the idea of a god leads to self and other, which seperates one from existance, it is all one! god was fashioned in mans image, not the other way around... man created god to serve him, that is what praying is all about isn't it? when things don't go the way we asked, we can blame it on god cuz he 'works in mysterious ways' - it's all about passing the buck once again, take responsibility - YOU ARE GOD  

'Whah? You lost me after "keep us warm".

 what i mean is that the earth is in the right place in the solar system to give us the right temperature. if it was in the position of Venus, it will be too hot for us to live and if it was in Mars, it will be too cold for us to live u know what im sayin?

the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?GFahim

Every single thing you just said can be explained without the need of a designer.

the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?GFahim

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason life is so rare in the universe is precisely because it is nearly impossible for the proper conditions to develop life to exist.  When I look at technology, I do indeed say "this had a designer," because a piece of technology is an assemblage of individual components that are not naturally occurring.  In other words, technology is fashioned out of naturally occuring materials, but there is no chance whatsoever that these assemblages will fashion themselves.  Your computer isn't going to grow, evolve, or reproduce.  And so to say that technology is in any way comparable to the chemical processes upon which life is based is silly.  You can take a computer apart one component at a time, reassemble it, and it will work the way it's supposed to.  Try doing that with a lifeform, and a somewhat different result will be yielded.

It is impossible for a computer to originate in nature.  I am not yet convinced that it is impossible for the proper combination of chemical bonds that yield life to occur spontaneously in nature. 

The thesist are winning so far. Does that *make* God real?Elraptor

Of course it does.  Everyone knows that if the majority of humans believe something to be true, it is most certainly true.  How dare you attack the most fundamental principle of understanding in the universe. 

[QUOTE="Elraptor"]The thesist are winning so far. Does that *make* God real?pianist

Of course it does. Everyone knows that if the majority of humans believe something to be true, it is most certainly true. How dare you attack the most fundamental principle of understanding in the universe.

what i mean is that the earth is in the right place in the solar system to give us the right temperature. if it was in the position of Venus, it will be too hot for us to live and if it was in Mars, it will be too cold for us to live u know what im sayin?

GFahim

Anyway, if you think about it, our position in relation to the Sun is easily random. There was 8 planets in our Solar System, as far as we know. The Solar System is merely a dot (less than a dot, actually) in the known universe, so, assuming there are about a million trillion stars out there, and I believe about 90% of the stars out there are binary stars (though I could be pulling this number from nowhere, somebody correct me if I'm wrong), so the remaining 10% are Solar System stars. This is still an immensly huge number, each with at least 8 planet, some even more, some less. We don't know. Anyway, with this vast amount of planets, how likely is it that even only a hundredth of these planets will be fit to support life? Very likely. In fact, it's imminent, as long as the planet abides to the Goldilock's Conditions. Even then, those conditions only apply to carbon-based life-forms, and with our minimal understanding of anything outside of our own Earth, and, even then, a bare understanding, who is anybody to say that it's not unlikely that life is imminent? 

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[QUOTE="Elraptor"]The thesist are winning so far. Does that *make* God real?Elraptor

Of course it does. Everyone knows that if the majority of humans believe something to be true, it is most certainly true. How dare you attack the most fundamental principle of understanding in the universe.

Busy, but in a good way.  I've left student life behind for the time being and am teaching now.  It's really nice to be on the other side of the fence.  :twisted: 

 You?   

'Whah? You lost me after "keep us warm".GFahim

 what i mean is that the earth is in the right place in the solar system to give us the right temperature. if it was in the position of Venus, it will be too hot for us to live and if it was in Mars, it will be too cold for us to live u know what im sayin?

The Earth's postition in the solar system and its ability to support life is nothing more than good fortune. It is not a miracle. Out of the trillions of planets that exist in the universe, it would be quite astounding if none of them had the right conditions to support life. The Earth is simply a planet with all the necessities, and I am sure it is not the only one.

[QUOTE="GFahim"]the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?pianist

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason life is so rare in the universe is precisely because it is nearly impossible for the proper conditions to develop life to exist. When I look at technology, I do indeed say "this had a designer," because a piece of technology is an assemblage of individual components that are not naturally occurring. In other words, technology is fashioned out of naturally occuring materials, but there is no chance whatsoever that these assemblages will fashion themselves. Your computer isn't going to grow, evolve, or reproduce. And so to say that technology is in any way comparable to the chemical processes upon which life is based is silly. You can take a computer apart one component at a time, reassemble it, and it will work the way it's supposed to. Try doing that with a lifeform, and a somewhat different result will be yielded.

It is impossible for a computer to originate in nature. I am not yet convinced that it is impossible for the proper combination of chemical bonds that yield life to occur spontaneously in nature.

the bit where u are saying about re assembling the computer and a different result may occur. well, this is how God works with it  too; He provides rain for crops to grow, He creates lightning so the nitrogen cycle can continue, He cause warmth on particular areas where insects are able to breed etc there are so many of these things. soits the same: there is a Designer 

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[QUOTE="Elraptor"]The thesist are winning so far. Does that *make* God real?pianist

Of course it does. Everyone knows that if the majority of humans believe something to be true, it is most certainly true. How dare you attack the most fundamental principle of understanding in the universe.

Busy, but in a good way. I've left student life behind for the time being and am teaching now. It's really nice to be on the other side of the fence. :twisted:

You?

Just wanted to see whether or not God was real so I will base my conclusions on the result of this Poll. Thank you.gomer69

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[QUOTE="GFahim"]the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?GFahim

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason life is so rare in the universe is precisely because it is nearly impossible for the proper conditions to develop life to exist. When I look at technology, I do indeed say "this had a designer," because a piece of technology is an assemblage of individual components that are not naturally occurring. In other words, technology is fashioned out of naturally occuring materials, but there is no chance whatsoever that these assemblages will fashion themselves. Your computer isn't going to grow, evolve, or reproduce. And so to say that technology is in any way comparable to the chemical processes upon which life is based is silly. You can take a computer apart one component at a time, reassemble it, and it will work the way it's supposed to. Try doing that with a lifeform, and a somewhat different result will be yielded.

It is impossible for a computer to originate in nature. I am not yet convinced that it is impossible for the proper combination of chemical bonds that yield life to occur spontaneously in nature.

the bit where u are saying about re assembling the computer and a different result may occur. well, this is how God works with it  too; He provides rain for crops to grow, He creates lightning so the nitrogen cycle can continue, He cause warmth on particular areas where insects are able to breed etc there are so many of these things. soits the same: there is a Designer 

I'm going to finish my BA and graduate in a couple weeks; some would take that as evidence for divine intervention (no, not really). :P I'm glad you're doing well. Teaching is something I've thought about doing, but I'm headed to law school this fall. I only pray it isn't too difficult---and that's another reason I have to believe in a God, lol.
Elraptor

Do you believe in God, Mr. Mod?

[QUOTE="pianist"]

[QUOTE="GFahim"]the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?GFahim

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason life is so rare in the universe is precisely because it is nearly impossible for the proper conditions to develop life to exist. When I look at technology, I do indeed say "this had a designer," because a piece of technology is an assemblage of individual components that are not naturally occurring. In other words, technology is fashioned out of naturally occuring materials, but there is no chance whatsoever that these assemblages will fashion themselves. Your computer isn't going to grow, evolve, or reproduce. And so to say that technology is in any way comparable to the chemical processes upon which life is based is silly. You can take a computer apart one component at a time, reassemble it, and it will work the way it's supposed to. Try doing that with a lifeform, and a somewhat different result will be yielded.

It is impossible for a computer to originate in nature. I am not yet convinced that it is impossible for the proper combination of chemical bonds that yield life to occur spontaneously in nature.

the bit where u are saying about re assembling the computer and a different result may occur. well, this is how God works with it too; He provides rain for crops to grow, He creates lightning so the nitrogen cycle can continue, He cause warmth on particular areas where insects are able to breed etc there are so many of these things. soits the same: there is a Designer

You might want to read it. 

[QUOTE="GFahim"]

'Whah? You lost me after "keep us warm".Gamer556

what i mean is that the earth is in the right place in the solar system to give us the right temperature. if it was in the position of Venus, it will be too hot for us to live and if it was in Mars, it will be too cold for us to live u know what im sayin?

The Earth's postition in the solar system and its ability to support life is nothing more than good fortune. It is not a miracle. Out of the trillions of planets that exist in the universe, it would be quite astounding if none of them had the right conditions to support life. The Earth is simply a planet with all the necessities, and I am sure it is not the only one. 

what u have said is like saying. 'Out of the trillions of dust particles i mix in the tube, a living organism will form' 

[QUOTE="gomer69"]Just wanted to see whether or not God was real so I will base my conclusions on the result of this Poll. Thank you.lemonfreshpanda

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[QUOTE="GFahim"]the wonders in this life, the clouds, birds, trees, flowers etc and the fact that the earth is exactly in the right position in the solar system to keep us warm and (i could go on and on, cant u guys see those miracles around us?!) surely these complex systems (even our own body) has a Designer'Programmer! u think it just came by itself. if u look at a computer which does a lot of complex things, u would surely say. 'this has a programmer'designer etc. so whats the difference about this whole universe? is it hard to believe or are u guys afraid to believe?GFahim

You know, it's entirely possible that the reason life is so rare in the universe is precisely because it is nearly impossible for the proper conditions to develop life to exist. When I look at technology, I do indeed say "this had a designer," because a piece of technology is an assemblage of individual components that are not naturally occurring. In other words, technology is fashioned out of naturally occuring materials, but there is no chance whatsoever that these assemblages will fashion themselves. Your computer isn't going to grow, evolve, or reproduce. And so to say that technology is in any way comparable to the chemical processes upon which life is based is silly. You can take a computer apart one component at a time, reassemble it, and it will work the way it's supposed to. Try doing that with a lifeform, and a somewhat different result will be yielded.

It is impossible for a computer to originate in nature. I am not yet convinced that it is impossible for the proper combination of chemical bonds that yield life to occur spontaneously in nature.

the bit where u are saying about re assembling the computer and a different result may occur. well, this is how God works with it  too; He provides rain for crops to grow, He creates lightning so the nitrogen cycle can continue, He cause warmth on particular areas where insects are able to breed etc there are so many of these things. soits the same: there is a Designer 

Again, everything you are saying can be explained without the need of a designer. You can't provide a shred of evidence that links those occurences to God.