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#1 Flow4U
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Now it seems there is so much disbelief in one anothers belief that everythings is just impossible to go with, why can't we just accept one anothers faith in religion or science. I'm asking I their is a god would't he want you to accept each other whatever their beliefs are, one the other hand science is about reason so let us be reasonable with each other.

sorry if I misspelled anything

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#2 THE_DRUGGIE
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But I like the religion threads...

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#3 The_Ish
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You have failed in your attempt at mediating disputes between humans. Don't worry, even Jesus couldn't do it completely.

 

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#4 bastards12345
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There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.
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#5 branketra
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Um..It's not wrong at all to accept another's beliefs. I don't think I could say the same for everyone's motives backed by those beliefs, though.
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#6 lemonfreshpanda
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There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.bastards12345
That is bullcrap. There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.
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#7 branketra
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There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.bastards12345
"I have 'faith' in my theory that not only is it correct, but it's accepted by the scientific community easier than Galileo's astronomic observations."
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#8 Flow4U
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All I am saying is at lest can we be tolrate with each other, we don't have to accept each other because that is pointless at this moment just let things cool down
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#9 lemonfreshpanda
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All I am saying is at lest can we be tolrate with each other, we don't have to accept each other because that is pointless at this moment just let things cool downFlow4U
I agree for the most part. But I found the idea that religion is destructive to society unfounded.
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#10 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.lemonfreshpanda

That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. The point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith, but of a different kind.

 

 

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#11 -Karayan-
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Sure, as soon as they stop enforcing their beliefs on children and stop asserting their beliefs in politics.
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#12 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="Flow4U"]All I am saying is at lest can we be tolrate with each other, we don't have to accept each other because that is pointless at this moment just let things cool downlemonfreshpanda

I agree for the most part.

But I found the idea that religion is destructive to society unfounded.

Expound on that please.

 

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Eww... another religion thread with a vague and empty argument... *backs away slowly as to not incite gasoline fueled assaults*
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[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="Flow4U"]All I am saying is at lest can we be tolrate with each other, we don't have to accept each other because that is pointless at this moment just let things cool downThe_Ish


I agree for the most part.

But I found the idea that religion is destructive to society unfounded.

Expound on that please.

 


How can I expound on that? He didn't give me anything to rebuke.

 

Edit: I don't have time to waste in this thread anyway. 

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[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.The_Ish


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.

Bingo.
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well, a large part of the abraham based religions is that those who don't follow your religion go to hell, so it's your duty to convert others. On the other end of things many Atheists thing religion is harmful to society, so they're gonna want to convert others also...
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#17 disc0very
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But Zenu doesn't want me to do that.
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#18 Flow4U
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Sure, as soon as they stop enforcing their beliefs on children and stop asserting their beliefs in politics.-Karayan-

That is something i hate with all my might, why force something on someone they don't really understand
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#19 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="Flow4U"]All I am saying is at lest can we be tolrate with each other, we don't have to accept each other because that is pointless at this moment just let things cool downlemonfreshpanda


I agree for the most part.

But I found the idea that religion is destructive to society unfounded.

Expound on that please.

 


How can I expound on that? He didn't give me anything to rebuke.

 

Edit: I don't have time to waste in this thread anyway.

Hmm...perhaps I meant to ask something else, but worded it wrong. Oh well, I can't remember what it was.  :oops:

 

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[QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.bastards12345


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.

 


Bingo.

don't forget the difference between blind faith and faith though...
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#21 Flow4U
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I expected this hate but I really just wanted a nice agrue where we wouldn't destory one anothers belief
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#22 MarioFanatic
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i dont find anything wrong with my religion, so no.

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#23 Flow4U
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Story Time With Flow: P1

There where two brothers that loved if other with the all thier might, one day a great being came out the sky and helped them with thier farming. The brothers believed this to be an angel sent by god, before the angel left he said these words "believe what you want but don't let it cloud your judgements". Both brothers took this two different ways, brother one believed it to me if you believe in god you we be praise and the other believed it meant you can believe in what you want just don't force it on others.

sorry about spelling

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[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.espoac


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.


Bingo.

don't forget the difference between blind faith and faith though...

"Faith: Not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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#26 Flow4U
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faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be there
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All I am saying is at lest can we be tolrate with each other, we don't have to accept each other because that is pointless at this moment just let things cool downFlow4U
yeah i second that i mean just becuz we dont believe the same things is rididulous
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.espoac


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.


Bingo.

don't forget the difference between blind faith and faith though...

I don't see a difference between faith and blind faith when it comes to religion. Explain this to me.
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#29 bastards12345
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faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be thereFlow4U
Only if that person is weak-willed.
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[QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.bastards12345


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.


Bingo.

don't forget the difference between blind faith and faith though...

"Faith: Not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche

You're using an opinion to back up another opinion.
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.lemonfreshpanda


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.


Bingo.

don't forget the difference between blind faith and faith though...

"Faith: Not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche

You're using an opinion to back up another opinion.

Saying that science is reason and not faith is a fact. Saying that faith expresses a mindset of not wanting to hear truth is true with the religious leaders who condemn the truth.
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[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="espoac"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="The_Ish"]

[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.bastards12345


That is bullcrap.

There is a ****load of faith involved with science. Galileo proved that.

He speaks of a blind, unquestioning "faith", I think. They point of science is to use reason to make a theory and get to a consclusion. But having a certain level of confidence in logic (one's own or others), is basicaly having faith. but of a different kind.


Bingo.

don't forget the difference between blind faith and faith though...

"Faith: Not wanting to know what is true." - Friedrich Nietzsche

You're using an opinion to back up another opinion.

Saying that science is reason and not faith is a fact. Saying that faith expresses a mindset of not wanting to hear truth is true with the religious leaders who condemn the truth.

How is condemning the truth faith? There are plenty of people with faith who don't oppose scientific fact.
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People who live in poor countries, faith maybe all they have who to say they have nothing
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#34 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="Flow4U"]faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be therebastards12345

Only if that person is weak-willed.

Why am I uncomfortable with agreeing with that?

 

 

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There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.bastards12345
Says the guy with Hitler in his avatar.
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People who live in poor countries, faith maybe all they have who to say they have nothingFlow4U
Yeah, and we all love the Christians who say, if you pray to Jesus we will give you bread. Horrid hypocritical ***es.
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[QUOTE="Flow4U"]faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be therebastards12345

Only if that person is weak-willed.

weak-willed person...what, kinda like hitler
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[QUOTE="lemonfreshpanda"][QUOTE="bastards12345"] Saying that science is reason and not faith is a fact. Saying that faith expresses a mindset of not wanting to hear truth is true with the religious leaders who condemn the truth.

How is condemning the truth faith? There are plenty of people with faith who don't oppose scientific fact.

In order to sustain the masses' faith in a lie, one must have to cover up the truth. I realize that there are faithheads who accept scientific fact, but they will never be able to accept the whole of the truth, whether that be genetics, the origin of life, evolution, paleontology, or physics.
People who live in poor countries, faith maybe all they have who to say they have nothingFlow4U
Again, only if they are weak-willed. Religion thrives in areas in which material gains are uncommon, obviously, but atheists prove that you do not need a god in order to enjoy what you have. In fact, the lack thereof makes life much more precious. I don't live in such a community, but it's better to recognize the problem, evaluate a solution, and work towards that solution than it is to pray for it.
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"]There is no "faith" involved with science. And I do not accept spiritual religions because they are destructive to society.TheOT_King
Says the guy with Hitler in his avatar.

Funny that when you throw a single word (or image) into something, people will immediately switch to an emotion without any consideration.
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#40 The_Ish
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People who live in poor countries, faith maybe all they have who to say they have nothingFlow4U

Ah, now I see why I felt uncomfortable. I knew I was wrong somehow, because I missed something. :) 

True, when you have nothing but faith left, it gives one strength that they did not know before. That does'nt mean they aren't weak-willed.

 

 

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#41 bastards12345
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Flow4U"]faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be thereMarioFanatic

Only if that person is weak-willed.

weak-willed person...what, kinda like hitler

Your point?
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#42 Flow4U
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I myself am confused, as a child I believed if I didn't believe in god I'll go to hell. As I got older I got this huge amount of pride, this changed my life why would I belive in someone many fear.

I fear no one but god himself; Flow4U

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[QUOTE="MarioFanatic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Flow4U"]faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be therebastards12345

Only if that person is weak-willed.

weak-willed person...what, kinda like hitler


Your point?

is hitler not a weak-willed person?
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oh s*** bastards12345 has hitler in his......... thats just not cool :(
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[QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="MarioFanatic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Flow4U"]faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be thereMarioFanatic

Only if that person is weak-willed.

weak-willed person...what, kinda like hitler


Your point?

is hitler not a weak-willed person?

Assuming you meant that in past context, Hitler had a strong will in that he could command others and was a genius politician. However he was suicidal. What does that have to do with this?

I myself am confused, as a child I believed if I didn't believe in god I'll go to hell. As I got older I got this huge amount of pride, this changed my life why would I belive in someone many fear.

I fear no one but god himself; Flow4U

Flow4U
Child indoctrination.
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oh s*** bastards12345 has hitler in his......... thats just not cool :(Flow4U


Why?
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oh s*** bastards12345 has hitler in his......... thats just not cool :(Flow4U
There is a difference in having a Hitler avatar and having a swastika.
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[QUOTE="MarioFanatic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="MarioFanatic"][QUOTE="bastards12345"][QUOTE="Flow4U"]faith is sometime necessary because it gives some people hope that may not be therebastards12345

Only if that person is weak-willed.

weak-willed person...what, kinda like hitler


Your point?

is hitler not a weak-willed person?

Assuming you meant that in past context, Hitler had a strong will in that he could command others and was a genius politician. However he was suicidal. What does that have to do with this?

He was a Christian though, and the worst military strategist of his time.
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Then off topic would have nothing to talk about.
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#50 The_Ish
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[QUOTE="Flow4U"]oh s*** bastards12345 has hitler in his......... thats just not cool :(bastards12345

There is a difference in having a Hitler avatar and having a swastika.

Thats right. having a swastika means you beleive in love, marraige, and peace. having a Hitler avatar can mean your a fascist.

I'm guessing you did not know what the Swastika originaly means? 

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