Is Mexico Slowly Moving Backwards? (56K)

Mexico is really feeling the brunt lately it seems, though most people don't see much past the tourism there's a lot of bad stuff going on in there that I'm sure most of you know about.

Swine Influenza for one has killed over eighty already and threatens to kill many if not hundreds more.

Then there's a drug war which has been almost as deadly then the US war in Iraq.

With....

10,475 Killed (December 2006 - March 2009)

including 1000+ government forces & prosecutors
242+ Beheadings
2,477 Killed during 2007
5,630 Killed during 2008
2,044 Killed during 2009
45,000+ Drug cartel members detained

That's a lot of dead people :(

The Cartels are huge, they have gold plated guns, they make 20 billion dollars a year in profits, and they can fight the police easily with American weapons and drug money. Is Mexico heading towards an internal collapse? All this pressure must be a lot for the Mexican president.

I'm pretty saddened by all this stuff going on there, I love Mexico :(

How's the Mexican economy as well? Last I heard they're hurting real bad...Stevo_the_gamer

I hear from my Mexican friends that Mexico is the most corrupt place, and they never want to go back there. I personally have no feelings towards Mexico, though ppl dying is never good to hear.soulfood4

Mexico is very corrupt. The Sinaloa Cartel and the Tijuana Cartel are probably the worst. Even cops are in on it. Culiacan, Sinaloa, where I have most of my family, was just full of crazy ****. There was not a day where you didn't read the newspaper and see a headline saying "6 Executed" or "4 Headless Bodies Found" and so on. It was so crazy, that people rarely went out. It's pretty calm now, but there are still some crazy things going on.

Perhaps Mexico should allow legal sales of popular drugs around the coutnry to put the drug dealing cartel out of business, might be crazy enough to just work. Either way people are going to buy the drugs, at least its from a cvilized, govt. controlled pharmacy and not a low class cartel with an ak47 with no regard to life.

Perhaps Mexico should allow legal sales of popular drugs around the coutnry to put the drug dealing cartel out of business, might be crazy enough to just work. Either way people are going to buy the drugs, at least its from a cvilized, govt. controlled pharmacy and not a low class cartel with an ak47 with no regard to life.

Montaya

Its a damn shame those drug cartels make me sick, nothing I hate more then seeing my people kill each other and just feed the perception that Mexicans are thugs, gangsters and dealers.

And I really have no idea on how one deals with them, really the system is at fault but at time it makes want to kill them all, wipe the slate clean and start fresh.

But in all reality I know that it has to start with education and providing people susceptible to that lifestyle with some other avenue. Its a damn shame

[QUOTE="Montaya"]

Perhaps Mexico should allow legal sales of popular drugs around the coutnry to put the drug dealing cartel out of business, might be crazy enough to just work. Either way people are going to buy the drugs, at least its from a cvilized, govt. controlled pharmacy and not a low class cartel with an ak47 with no regard to life.

Toriko42

Yeah, Mexico's really in terrible shape right now. I'm sure the president's doing fine (in the sense of survival and so forth), but as usual, the people are the ones to feel the pain. It's for this reason that I tend to be sympathetic to those trying to escape - not that I approve of their tactics, but when a guy's desperate and for such good reason, it's hard to feel justified in speaking about their actions when you have so little understanding.

Sad, really.

I was actually in Mexico a couple weeks ago and in a couple of cities -- Juarez being one of them. I would see five or six soldiers, riding around the block every two or three blocks on truck beds, and looking for suspicious people. Considering the fact that a lot of them are corrupt, I was pretty cautious when I was there and the scary thing was that my relatives spoke more about being bothered by the soldiers than by getting caught in the crossfire of a shooting. Every day I was there I would see two or three instances in which people were standing outside of their homes while the soldiers searched them because they were "suspicious." When I went there with my brother to drop off some computer monitors at my aunt's house, we parked next to her house, which is on top of a hill, as a truck full of soldiers drove up the hill and stopped right next to us. My nerves were killing me when I saw them stop because they were staring at us and I sure as hell didn't want them stealing any of stuff I had on me. Luckily my aunt showed up and recognized us and they ended up driving away.

The scary part was that the first Sunday I was there, one of my cousins' little friends was kidnapped in front of a bakery two blocks away from my grandma's house (where I was staying at). Lucky for him he was released only bruised up. Scary **** indeed, but I'm glad I got to see that stuff. I remember a lot of people would be walking around at 10 or 11 PM every night, but now it's dead and the orange streetlights make it look depressing.

People can travel to Mexico. I'm not going to stop them. Just don't do anything as stupid as walking alone in Juarez or any city where the crime is more concentrated.

Its unfortunate that America just could not end their insane drug policy, would end a lot of the drug warfare in Mexico.

I was actually in Mexico a couple weeks ago and in a couple of cities -- Juarez being one of them. I would see five or six soldiers, riding around the block every two or three blocks on truck beds, and looking for suspicious people. Considering the fact that a lot of them are corrupt, I was pretty cautious when I was there and the scary thing was that my relatives spoke more about being bothered by the soldiers than by getting caught in the crossfire of a shooting. Every day I was there I would see two or three instances in which people were standing outside of their homes while the soldiers searched them because they were "suspicious." When I went there with my brother to drop off some computer monitors at my aunt's house, we parked next to her house, which is on top of a hill, as a truck full of soldiers drove up the hill and stopped right next to us. My nerves were killing me when I saw them stop because they were staring at us and I sure as hell didn't want them stealing any of stuff I had on me. Luckily my aunt showed up and recognized us and they ended up driving away.

The scary part was that the first Sunday I was there, one of my cousins' little friends was kidnapped in front of a bakery two blocks away from my grandma's house (where I was staying at). Lucky for him he was released only bruised up. Scary **** indeed, but I'm glad I got to see that stuff. I remember a lot of people would be walking around at 10 or 11 PM every night, but now it's dead and the orange streetlights make it look depressing.

People can travel to Mexico. I'm not going to stop them. Just don't do anything as stupid as walking alone in Juarez or any city where the crime is more concentrated.

ernie1989

Not to sound bad or anything, but this all revolves around supply and demand. As long asthe consumer (50% being American, 25% being European, and 25% being the rest of the world) is demanding shots of cocaine and heroin, it will not stop. People need to focus on the consumer as well. You might say "No I will never consume orsell drugs", but there will always be that one guy in Mexico living in poverty asking himself "Well I can't go to school, but I can make $250,000 a week selling cocaine, and form my own multi million dollar business and become my own boss" because the cocaine is high on demand

i live in mexico :D yeh it can be pretty brutal, i got the chance to see one time in a car parked in front of my house there was a chopped head from some drug cartel dude =/ yeh not that cool when theyre realForumposter

[QUOTE="Forumposter"]i live in mexico :D yeh it can be pretty brutal, i got the chance to see one time in a car parked in front of my house there was a chopped head from some drug cartel dude =/ yeh not that cool when theyre realKamekazi_69

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

AHUGECAT

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

AHUGECAT

Meh, you guys have had those actions before this. Don't blame.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

Forumposter

Most Mexicans are nice people I just wish they'd close the border to illegal immigrants.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

pspdseagle

Meh, you guys have had those actions before this. Don't blame.

Wasn't near as bad, though. I am not against Mexicans coming here (they are cool people) just the illegals.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

AHUGECAT

Meh, you guys have had those actions before this. Don't blame.

Wasn't near as bad, though. I am not against Mexicans coming here (they are cool people) just the illegals.

Yea, nothing wrong with not wanting illegals.

[QUOTE="Forumposter"][QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

AHUGECAT

Most Mexicans are nice people I just wish they'd close the border to illegal immigrants.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="Forumposter"] ...theres always one guyToriko42

Most Mexicans are nice people I just wish they'd close the border to illegal immigrants.

How is what I said wrong?

The government is corrupt, the military is probably mostly corrupt, the police is probably corrupt.
Thats probably what the issue is here. The government probably has no desire to do anything because they are most likely being paid off by various drug cartels. If anything, a purge in the government and a strong dictatorship is the only way to flush the cartels out quickly and effectively.

How is what I said wrong?

AHUGECAT

The border is not "Open" to illegal immigrants, that's what makes them illegal. There are walls, fences, guards etc. People are illegally crossing in. The border is a lot bigger than you could imagine. We're talking hundreds if not thousands of miles to cover.

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

And to think these kind of actions are crossing over to America because of a lack of a border in the south.

AHUGECAT

Meh, you guys have had those actions before this. Don't blame.

Wasn't near as bad, though. I am not against Mexicans coming here (they are cool people) just the illegals.

The government is corrupt, the military is probably mostly corrupt, the police is probably corrupt.
Thats probably what the issue is here. The government probably has no desire to do anything because they are most likely being paid off by various drug cartels. If anything, a purge in the government and a strong dictatorship is the only way to flush the cartels out quickly and effectively.

carrot-cake

Probably?, it's a fact. The government, police, sports, everything is corrupt, believe me.

Thats just horrible. I hope it changes one day.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

How is what I said wrong?

zombiefruit

The border is not "Open" to illegal immigrants, that's what makes them illegal. There are walls, fences, guards etc. People are illegally crossing in. The border is a lot bigger than you could imagine. We're talking hundreds if not thousands of miles to cover.

There's like a two foot fence and that's it. To cross the border illegally, all you have to do is walk over.

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

[QUOTE="pspdseagle"]

Meh, you guys have had those actions before this. Don't blame.

eldeku

Wasn't near as bad, though. I am not against Mexicans coming here (they are cool people) just the illegals.

Why should the USA do anything? People always complain that the USA is the "world police" or that we get into other countries too much, but when they are in trouble, who do they come to first? The USA.

The USA should worry about one country and one country only, and that is, the United States of America. God Bless the United States.

We just need to stop buying all their cocaine

Why do you think they all try to come here even though they aren't welcome.

[QUOTE="Kamekazi_69"][QUOTE="Forumposter"]i live in mexico :D yeh it can be pretty brutal, i got the chance to see one time in a car parked in front of my house there was a chopped head from some drug cartel dude =/ yeh not that cool when theyre realForumposter

Mexico is crap. Anyone who wants to vacation there is ignorant.

Epic__Lulz

Wow... this is sad...:|

[QUOTE="zombiefruit"]

[QUOTE="AHUGECAT"]

How is what I said wrong?

AHUGECAT

The border is not "Open" to illegal immigrants, that's what makes them illegal. There are walls, fences, guards etc. People are illegally crossing in. The border is a lot bigger than you could imagine. We're talking hundreds if not thousands of miles to cover.

There's like a two foot fence and that's it. To cross the border illegally, all you have to do is walk over.

The government is corrupt, the military is probably mostly corrupt, the police is probably corrupt.
Thats probably what the issue is here. The government probably has no desire to do anything because they are most likely being paid off by various drug cartels. If anything, a purge in the government and a strong dictatorship is the only way to flush the cartels out quickly and effectively.

carrot-cake

Mexico is crap. Anyone who wants to vacation there is ignorant.

Epic__Lulz

[QUOTE="Epic__Lulz"]

Mexico is crap. Anyone who wants to vacation there is ignorant.

Forumposter

Obviously never been to Cancun or Ensenada