Is Roger Goodell ruining the NFL?

Not even a question. He is running the league into the ground and discouraging physical contact of any nature. How can he and Carl Johnson, two men who have never played a down of football, run the league without even being challenged. Makes me, and I think 99.9% of NFL fans sick.

The NFL was ruined when they started putting on helmets and pads. Pansies.

No he is not. Player safety is a serious issue. Players who are emotional and currently playing the game they love cannot be counted on to make the best most level-headed decisions. Sometimes it is beneficial for an outside perspective to make the decisions.

One thing I would like to see Goodell loosen up on is the end zone celebrations. Players should be allowed to have fun as long as it isn't taunting the other team or in your face.

I understand him wanting to make it safer but there is a thin line between safer and ruined. These guys are paid millions to take risks in a violent game. Football is supposed to be violent but this is a star league now. When stars go down so does team revenue.

James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

These players fined 20,000 :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBT6MygnKKw

I love big hits. Just as nobody gets killed or injured permanently then fine

James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

eagles_band

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

For me, the NFL is better than other professional sports because there are strict rules, and because those rules are actually enforced. 99.9% of plays aren't even effected by the new rule anyway. The 'pansy' jokes just make me lol. cybrcatter

That's part of the issue. Goodel put these rules in place that limit how a player can play defense. They were never present till Goodel took over. Not to mention the inconsistencies with fines. I just find it crazy he fines a man 75,000 for a hard hit. Most people don't even make that in a year. Also, the NFL is being run completely by people who have never even played in the NFL. How can they know how to best run the league.

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James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

Oleg_Huzwog

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

Yea, he did, but 75K, comon. And did you watch the other video? You don't think two guys who start an all out brawl throwing fists should get a larger fine, they didn't even get suspended.

People hate change, and he's been very active in making it happen. Fans overreact to his actions too much. I actually like a lot of his ideas, some I don't.

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James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

Oleg_Huzwog

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

Hopefully that d-bag breaks his own neck someday.

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James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

Oleg_Huzwog

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

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James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

eagles_band

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

Yea, he did, but 75K, comon. And did you watch the other video? You don't think two guys who start an all out brawl throwing fists should get a larger fine, they didn't even get suspended.

The other two weren't penalized heavily enough, I agree. But Harrison's fines absolutely need to keep increasing. If someone doesn't learn their lesson the first time, you increase the penalty for the next time.

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James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

Oleg_Huzwog

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

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James Harrison fined 75,000 for this :http://www.steelersdepot.com/2010/11/james-harrison-hit-on-ryan-fitzpatrick-video/

cyberdarkkid

He blatantly leads with his head, using his helmet as a battering ram. That fine was fully justified.

I do believe he has done harm to the league, and if he keeps pushing for this 18 game season then yes he will have ruined the NFL. Players getting fined for plays like this makes no sense. I want to see Goodell explain this one himself, but of course he never will.

The golden boy QBs is the one destroying it.Bloodseeker23

If you take a look at the statistics on former NFL players who have dementia or brain trauma, you wouldn't be saying that. Player safety should be of the utmost importance.

That said, some of these fines have been hit or miss as to whether or not they were deserved. But that'll happen anytime to bring a new rule into play in the middle of season. Give the refs some time to adjust, and they'll get it right most of the time.

[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]For me, the NFL is better than other professional sports because there are strict rules, and because those rules are actually enforced. 99.9% of plays aren't even effected by the new rule anyway. The 'pansy' jokes just make me lol. eagles_band

That's part of the issue. Goodel put these rules in place that limit how a player can play defense. They were never present till Goodel took over. Not to mention the inconsistencies with fines. I just find it crazy he fines a man 75,000 for a hard hit. Most people don't even make that in a year. Also, the NFL is being run completely by people who have never even played in the NFL. How can they know how to best run the league.

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[QUOTE="cybrcatter"]For me, the NFL is better than other professional sports because there are strict rules, and because those rules are actually enforced. 99.9% of plays aren't even effected by the new rule anyway. The 'pansy' jokes just make me lol. wstfld

That's part of the issue. Goodel put these rules in place that limit how a player can play defense. They were never present till Goodel took over. Not to mention the inconsistencies with fines. I just find it crazy he fines a man 75,000 for a hard hit. Most people don't even make that in a year. Also, the NFL is being run completely by people who have never even played in the NFL. How can they know how to best run the league.

It's obvious you're not a fan. Fans consider the NFL a great sport, while you consider it a business.

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That's part of the issue. Goodel put these rules in place that limit how a player can play defense. They were never present till Goodel took over. Not to mention the inconsistencies with fines. I just find it crazy he fines a man 75,000 for a hard hit. Most people don't even make that in a year. Also, the NFL is being run completely by people who have never even played in the NFL. How can they know how to best run the league.

eagles_band

It's obvious you're not a fan. Fans consider the NFL a great sport, while you consider it a business.

[QUOTE="wstfld"][QUOTE="eagles_band"]

That's part of the issue. Goodel put these rules in place that limit how a player can play defense. They were never present till Goodel took over. Not to mention the inconsistencies with fines. I just find it crazy he fines a man 75,000 for a hard hit. Most people don't even make that in a year. Also, the NFL is being run completely by people who have never even played in the NFL. How can they know how to best run the league.

eagles_band

It's obvious you're not a fan. Fans consider the NFL a great sport, while you consider it a business.

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[QUOTE="wstfld"] They're businessmen. The NFL is a business and judging by its success, they are very good at running it. You don't want meat heads running a business. wstfld

It's obvious you're not a fan. Fans consider the NFL a great sport, while you consider it a business.

You really think if you ask a general NFL fan "What do you think of the NFL?" they're gonna say "Oh yea, that's a pretty good business. Makin a lotta dough." My point was most fans don't view the NFL as a business because it isn't a business to the fans.

Suh was fined last Sunday for pushing down the Cutler, who was running the ball, pas the line of scrimmage, and is by the rules, considered a running back. This is getting ridiculous. The NFL is turning into a joke.

Fining Suh for the push on Cutler was ridiculous. The play was perfectly legal. I can understand the penalty because it did look like he hit Cutler with his elbows, but the replays showed he just pushed him. There's nothing illegal about that and Suh shouldn't have been fined.LoseEagles1245

I'm a Bears fan and I completely agree. It's understandable to throw the flag -- in real time it looked like Suh might have hit Cutler's head with his forearm. But if you look at the replays there's no way it should be fined. It's like the NFL just takes a look at a list of players who were flagged for hits to the head and fines them without really looking into every situation.

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It's obvious you're not a fan. Fans consider the NFL a great sport, while you consider it a business.

eagles_band

You really think if you ask a general NFL fan "What do you think of the NFL?" they're gonna say "Oh yea, that's a pretty good business. Makin a lotta dough." My point was most fans don't view the NFL as a business because it isn't a business to the fans.

[QUOTE="Bloodseeker23"]The golden boy QBs is the one destroying it.dodgerblue13

No player safety is a huge issue.. Helmet hits are mean and can seriously injure players... There have been a ton of injuries in the NFL in the past look at Joe Theisman being injured by Laurence Taylor.. Seriously the NFL is great but players need to watch where they are tackling the players because they do not want to get sued or know that they injured someone permanently

I think he has to act on the concussion thing. Medical science has proven that those are very bad for people. Many former NFL players are basically cripples from multiple concussions they have sustained during their career. Most other jobs have OSHA standards. Why should the NFL be different?

I think he has to act on the concussion thing. Medical science has proven that those are very bad for people. Many former NFL players are basically cripples from multiple concussions they have sustained during their career. Most other jobs have OSHA standards. Why should the NFL be different?

sonicare

Uhhh....because they get paid millions to play the sport, and contact is part of the sport.

The major point about Goodel is that he is treating the NFL more as a business than any other commissioner before him. Sports commissioners need to find a balance in making the fans and players happy, and yea they wanna make money. Roger is solely focusing on money, and don't say he's trying to protect the players. He's just fining for more money.

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I think he has to act on the concussion thing. Medical science has proven that those are very bad for people. Many former NFL players are basically cripples from multiple concussions they have sustained during their career. Most other jobs have OSHA standards. Why should the NFL be different?

Uhhh....because they get paid millions to play the sport, and contact is part of the sport.

The major point about Goodel is that he is treating the NFL more as a business than any other commissioner before him. Sports commissioners need to find a balance in making the fans and players happy, and yea they wanna make money. Roger is solely focusing on money, and don't say he's trying to protect the players. He's just fining for more money.

Cool, we're all for player safety...yet why extend the game schedule by 2 extra games? NFL Ref's are suddenly making these BS game-changing calls, which get reviewed later a week after the fact only to find that the call was incorrect. I know the refs are only human, but just some of these calls are ridiculous...

The NFL is changing in a bad way :(

Cool, we're all for player safety...yet why extend the game schedule by 2 extra games? NFL Ref's are suddenly making these BS game-changing calls, which get reviewed later a week after the fact only to find that the call was incorrect. I know the refs are only human, but just some of these calls are ridiculous...

The NFL is changing in a bad way :(

criegz

I think it's about time the NFL starts to allow teams to challenge penalties. There are so many new rules, and the refs have to make all these judgement calls in real time. Like the SUH unnecessary roughness penalty, it's obvious he pushed Cutler and not forearmed him. That cost the Lions a first down in the redzone. Two times bogus calls have lost games for Detroit this year.

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Cool, we're all for player safety...yet why extend the game schedule by 2 extra games? NFL Ref's are suddenly making these BS game-changing calls, which get reviewed later a week after the fact only to find that the call was incorrect. I know the refs are only human, but just some of these calls are ridiculous...

The NFL is changing in a bad way :(

eagles_band

I think it's about time the NFL starts to allow teams to challenge penalties. There are so many new rules, and the refs have to make all these judgement calls in real time. Like the SUH unnecessary roughness penalty, it's obvious he pushed Cutler and not forearmed him. That cost the Lions a first down in the redzone. Two times bogus calls have lost games for Detroit this year.

That call didn't lose the game for Detroit. Even if there was no penalty the Bears would've had a 2nd & 2 on like the 15 yard line. Chances are they were going to get a TD anyway.

(The Calvin Johnson call in the first game obviously did lose the game for the Lions though)

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Cool, we're all for player safety...yet why extend the game schedule by 2 extra games? NFL Ref's are suddenly making these BS game-changing calls, which get reviewed later a week after the fact only to find that the call was incorrect. I know the refs are only human, but just some of these calls are ridiculous...

The NFL is changing in a bad way :(

eagles_band

I think it's about time the NFL starts to allow teams to challenge penalties. There are so many new rules, and the refs have to make all these judgement calls in real time. Like the SUH unnecessary roughness penalty, it's obvious he pushed Cutler and not forearmed him. That cost the Lions a first down in the redzone. Two times bogus calls have lost games for Detroit this year.

The worst part is that after reviewing the video, they fined Suh 15G instead of apologizing. The problem here is the same as what happened in the NBA a long time ago, they are implementing rules that are impossible to properly enforce correctly because the game is too fast.It is making the game worse.

I think the NFL is fine. Players will adjust. wstfld