Is Satan really evil or is God just making stuff up?

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#1 stopitandtidyup
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Everyone always says that God is the good guy, but ever heard of the term "scapegoat"?

How do we know that Satans views are being fairly represented in the bible? Satan made some points about pleasures of the flesh being good, God rattles on about how evil gay people are (they really don't seem evil to me) and everyone automatically sides with God?

You know what else is true? Fire is cool. Yeah, I said it. Brimstone is a pretty rock too. And why exactly aren't animals allowed into heaven? Animals are cool. My cat can play the Piano so I think he deserves to get into Heaven, don't you?

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#2 wizard90
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Im spiritual and im my views, symbolicly yes, 'he' encourages seperation and egotism which causes suffering. (soz for spelling hangover)
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#3 hittin
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Is God really evil or is Satan just making stuff up?
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Is God really evil or is Satan just making stuff up?hittin

Dude. You just blew my mind.

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#5 solidgamer
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ask him...
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#6 stopitandtidyup
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I think that Super Mario Galaxy is a pleasure of the flesh.
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#7 Celldrax
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Of course he's making stuff up. I mean, it's obvious he was smoking way too much on the day he made the human race.
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#8 stopitandtidyup
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ask him...solidgamer

If God where around to ask, Satan would take him to court for Slander.

...Or do you mean ask Satan what he thinks about all this?

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#9 hittin
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[QUOTE="hittin"]Is God really evil or is Satan just making stuff up?stopitandtidyup

Dude. You just blew my mind.

You answered my question in your first post.

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#10 ElArab
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We live in a world of balance, without "good and bad" and "dark and light" thing's couldn't be "natural", besides, if God just got rid of Satan, bad thing's would still happen, cuz we're humans, and we'll always have that original sin. There's no 'scapegoating' or "blame it on the jew's" type of thing going on here, but, I never realized that until I thought about what you said.

As for the animals thing...I had no idea they couldn't go to heaven, you sure there isn't like, another heaven reserved for animals?

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#11 stopitandtidyup
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Cannabis needs to be treated as being Holy. It is a natural plant which grows from the soil. Government should have no power over what we grow in our gardens.
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#12 hittin
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Cannabis needs to be treated as being Holy. It is a natural plant which grows from the soil. Government should have no power over what we grow in our gardens.stopitandtidyup

If the government has no power, then why are they the government?

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#13 ElArab
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Cannabis needs to be treated as being Holy. It is a natural plant which grows from the soil. Government should have no power over what we grow in our gardens.stopitandtidyup

I'm pretty sure God didn't intend for us to smoke everything that grows from the ground.

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As for the animals thing...I had no idea they couldn't go to heaven, you sure there isn't like, another heaven reserved for animals?ElArab

Yes. I'm sure that God made two heavens for all the Animals.

But do you think that this thing has a soul?

If not, then what about this?

This.

Or this.

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#15 ElArab
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Dude you're hillarious, I don't know whether to think you're joking or not.
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#16 stopitandtidyup
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Dude you're hillarious, I don't know whether to think you're joking or not.ElArab

Obviously middle class Christians have souls. But what about Homo-Ergaster?

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#17 stopitandtidyup
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Is your faith being tested, or are you testing your faith?
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HAHAHAHAHAHA

Lilac, this made me laugh.

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#19 ElArab
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Dude you're hillarious, I don't know whether to think you're joking or not.ElArab

That's the first time I've quoted myself... I didn't want to just re-type what I said. To answer your question's though, I think it's testing your faith, that is the test of faith...I don't know how else to word that.

Who's Homo-Ergaster? What happened to him?

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#20 deactivated-5f89ab8e63049
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Fire is cool?
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#21 stopitandtidyup
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Humans clearly have super advanced souls, patched up to the latest version.

Human Soul

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#22 real45
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Opposites-Happy and sad,light and darkness,Good and bad.

How would u define good if bad did not exist.think about that.

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#23 ElArab
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Maybe Animals are programmed and scripted AI, and humans are Dynamic AI.
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#24 stopitandtidyup
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Maybe Animals are programmed and scripted AI, and humans are Dynamic AI.ElArab

That's an interesting idea. But maybe you should research Homo Ergaster.

Basically they are an extinct species of man who existed in Africa. When the extinction level drought came, almost all of the evolved apes where wiped out, except those able to form cruel and punishing societies. This species is known as Homo Sapien, who continued to migrate Europe, wiping out the then native European men known as Neanderthal.

And that's why we have souls and animals don't.

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#25 stopitandtidyup
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This is not a human skeleton.

The soulless beast which left these remains is now extinct.

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If i believed in them then i would say no.
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#27 real45
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Right now there is a dissagrement between two factions of scientist. So how can u be sure about evolution of creation. But so far I have not seen anything on the corruption within the ranks of evolutionist or creationis,t or motivation for such.
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Right now there is a dissagrement between two factions of scientist. So how can u be sure about evolution of creation. But so far I have not seen anything on the corruption within the ranks of evolutionist or creationis,t or motivation for such.real45

lol, creationism is not a science. :roll:

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And why exactly aren't animals allowed into heaven? Animals are cool. My cat can play the Piano so I think he deserves to get into Heaven, don't you?

stopitandtidyup

Animals have their own Heaven and Hell, have you seen Tom & Jerry short titled "Heavenly Express"?

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#30 X360PS3AMD05
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Lassie went to hell!? :cry:
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what god? what satan? wha heaven? hell? they're all just concepts in my book.
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Shut up
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We live in a world of balance, without "good and bad" and "dark and light" thing's couldn't be "natural", besides, if God just got rid of Satan, bad thing's would still happen, cuz we're humans, and we'll always have that original sin. There's no 'scapegoating' or "blame it on the jew's" type of thing going on here, but, I never realized that until I thought about what you said.

As for the animals thing...I had no idea they couldn't go to heaven, you sure there isn't like, another heaven reserved for animals?

ElArab

then how do you explain Mother Mary having rid of the original sin and thus being called by the Catholic Church as the "Immaculate Concepcion" ? research it if you don't know what im talking about.

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[QUOTE="ElArab"]

We live in a world of balance, without "good and bad" and "dark and light" thing's couldn't be "natural", besides, if God just got rid of Satan, bad thing's would still happen, cuz we're humans, and we'll always have that original sin. There's no 'scapegoating' or "blame it on the jew's" type of thing going on here, but, I never realized that until I thought about what you said.

As for the animals thing...I had no idea they couldn't go to heaven, you sure there isn't like, another heaven reserved for animals?

rowzzr

then how do you explain Mother Mary having rid of the original sin and thus being called by the Catholic Church as the "Immaculate Concepcion" ? research it if you don't know what im talking about.

Maybe because the story is probably based on some event but got blown out of proportion over the years? Especially in a time where humans were mostly illiterate.
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[QUOTE="rowzzr"][QUOTE="ElArab"]

We live in a world of balance, without "good and bad" and "dark and light" thing's couldn't be "natural", besides, if God just got rid of Satan, bad thing's would still happen, cuz we're humans, and we'll always have that original sin. There's no 'scapegoating' or "blame it on the jew's" type of thing going on here, but, I never realized that until I thought about what you said.

As for the animals thing...I had no idea they couldn't go to heaven, you sure there isn't like, another heaven reserved for animals?

TheFlush

then how do you explain Mother Mary having rid of the original sin and thus being called by the Catholic Church as the "Immaculate Concepcion" ? research it if you don't know what im talking about.

Maybe because the story is probably based on some event but got blown out of proportion over the years? Especially in a time where humans were mostly illiterate.

Or maybe you never understand what it truely meant to be :| Have you ever thought of that?

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God is just pulling your leg. Satan is a swell guy.
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#37 Chavyneebslod
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God is just pulling your leg. Satan is a swell guy.Bourbons3

He baked me sulphur cookies.

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#39 MattUD1
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Personally I think it's all made up. No offense to anyone but I believe God and Satan do not exist. God and Satan are just metaphors for man. God being the absolute good and Satan being the absolute bad.
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Everyone always says that God is the good guy, but ever heard of the term "scapegoat"?

How do we know that Satans views are being fairly represented in the bible? Satan made some points about pleasures of the flesh being good, God rattles on about how evil gay people are (they really don't seem evil to me) and everyone automatically sides with God?

You know what else is true? Fire is cool. Yeah, I said it. Brimstone is a pretty rock too. And why exactly aren't animals allowed into heaven? Animals are cool. My cat can play the Piano so I think he deserves to get into Heaven, don't you?

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i think your evil... May god have mercy on your soul!
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Is Satan really evil, or is god just making it up, or are humans just making all of it up?

Hmm... You've got me.

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[QUOTE="stopitandtidyup"]

Everyone always says that God is the good guy, but ever heard of the term "scapegoat"?

How do we know that Satans views are being fairly represented in the bible? Satan made some points about pleasures of the flesh being good, God rattles on about how evil gay people are (they really don't seem evil to me) and everyone automatically sides with God?

You know what else is true? Fire is cool. Yeah, I said it. Brimstone is a pretty rock too. And why exactly aren't animals allowed into heaven? Animals are cool. My cat can play the Piano so I think he deserves to get into Heaven, don't you?

punisher2k8

i think your evil... May god have mercy on your soul!

I usually stay out of religious debates because there will never be a resolve...but can I ask you something? WHY? Why is the TC "evil"? What wrong did he do? If anything, he's being open-minded and questioning faith, trying to make logic out of it. I would say that a 'good' religious person would answer him or try to make sense of it for him....Not attack him!!

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[QUOTE="hittin"]Is God really evil or is Satan just making stuff up?stopitandtidyup

Dude. You just blew my mind.

ask him...solidgamer

Unfortunately i dnt have his phone number but i'm sure T-Mobile could help you on that one. Or you could just go to Hell... or Heaven to find out... don't know how much satanic or divine voyages cost either...

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Ask him yourself

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#45 ManILoveSony
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Both God and Satan were just made up by Chuck Norris.
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#46 Theempire30
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Humanity is making stuff up. Neither of the two are real...
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I usually stay out of religious debates because there will never be a resolve...but can I ask you something? WHY? Why is the TC "evil"? What wrong did he do? If anything, he's being open-minded and questioning faith, trying to make logic out of it. I would say that a 'good' religious person would answer him or try to make sense of it for him....Not attack him!!

kankthetank

The guy clearly has an very small understanding of the Bible or is using flamebait or a combination of the two.

There's nothing in the Bible saying God hates gays or that they are evil and there's nothing saying that animals couldn't go to Heaven.

Punisher2k8's comment was unnecessary. But the TC is far from being an open-minded person, "questioning faith" and "trying to make logic out of it" when he doesn't even have a good understanding of the faith he's questioning.

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#49 JJ4545
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Neither exist. End of discussion.
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#50 makaveli2344
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I see Satan as the opposite of god, which isnt to say he is evil, but satan, for even believing in something better for himself, he is exiled and banished from paradise, i mean, id be pissed off too if i was prosecuted for my wants/beliefs, so, satan as beign a liberator, and god being an opppressor, if not an oppressor, a king like figure who promotes order and hierarchy rather than everyone being equal, like there are divisions of angels, each lower than the other, but noone can even have a hope of being closer or better than god, even if they disagree wth him, so in short, satan=equaliy, liberation, God=King, hierarchy, order.