Is suicide a solution? Another serious thread, guise.

So if your life really sucks (I mean, REALLY, REALLY SUCKS), is suicide a solution?

It's a simple question that really bugs me.

And please, no religious arguments. I know it's a sin, God gave us life and so on.

Is suicide a viable solution if your life sucks and you feel you simply can't improve it? I know the usual rethoric - mommy, daddy and the others will sufer blah-blah. But, if one decides to kill himself, it's quite obvious that he pondered this a lot and decided that his suffering is way, way bigger than the pain the others will feel. Now, I know there are many nutjobs that do this, but I'm talking about a guy that's mentally fit.

Another question is: why most people say it's a cowardly act? The person is broken, depressed, it simply can't move on or "snap out of it". That's the only solution he's seeing, does that make his act cowardly?

Inb4 How to kill yourself like a man:)

Yes, I know there are other threads. But it's been a long time since the last one.

It's an OPTION, but never a good choice.

If you commit suicide, it's over. Just over. No chance to make it better, you lost that privelege.

EDIT: This is the the "drepressed teen" scenario, not a terminally ill person, etc.

Very grey issue. It all depends on what kind of suffering is involved and who the individuals death will affect and how.

A teenager wallowing in self-pity isn't the same as someone suffering from a chronic illness and cannot find relief for their pain.

Lame. Unless you are incurably, terminally ill and living in constant physical pain, something can always be done to improve your circumstance. Failure to see that fact == lame.xaos

Lame. Unless you are incurably, terminally ill and living in constant physical pain, something can always be done to improve your circumstance. Failure to see that fact == lame.xaos

/thread right there

Not in today's society. Raise consciousness to higher levels first, then your soul will be strong enough to live (comfortably) without the physical form. That's just a loose 10 second theory I just thought up...

I think it is if you are going to prison.
Being dead is a lot better then spending your life in prison. I've watched some things about living in prison before and it just seems terrible, and then when you get out of prison you can't really find a job and not many people like you, so death is nicer then that in my opinion.

Lame. Unless you are incurably, terminally ill and living in constant physical pain, something can always be done to improve your circumstance. Failure to see that fact == lame.xaos

What if you see that fact but simply can't improve your circumstance? A person with suicidal thoughts can't go on forever, right?

As a side note, I find http://www.suicide.org/index.html to be one of the most depressing sites on the Internet:|

How come in some past societies suicide wasn't looked down upon as much as today? Now almost everybody judges it so quickly - it's lame, cowardly etc, and refers to those who commit it with something I can only describe as hatred, as if they were DESERVING it. It's not that simple, is it?

For billions of years since the outset of time, every single one of your ancestors survived. Every single person on your mum and dad's side successfully looked after you and pssed onto your life. What are the chances of that, like?...clembo1990

I severely doubt that. :P

How come in some past societies suicide wasn't looked down upon as much as today? Now almost everybody judges it so quickly - it's lame, cowardly etc, and refers to those who commit it with something I can only describe as hatred, as if they were DESERVING it. It's not that simple, is it?Baranga

In some situations it is. Terminal illness, inevitable capture and incarceration (life sentence), and serious mental disorder. I don't think committing suicide because of depression (even though it is classified as a mental illness I don't consider it serious), and teen drama is a solution, its just stupid.

[QUOTE="xaos"]Lame. Unless you are incurably, terminally ill and living in constant physical pain, something can always be done to improve your circumstance. Failure to see that fact == lame.Baranga

What if you see that fact but simply can't improve your circumstance? A person with suicidal thoughts can't go on forever, right?

As a side note, I find http://www.suicide.org/index.html to be one of the most depressing sites on the Internet:|

How come in some past societies suicide wasn't looked down upon as much as today? Now almost everybody judges it so quickly - it's lame, cowardly etc, and refers to those who commit it with something I can only describe as hatred, as if they were DESERVING it. It's not that simple, is it?

For billions of years since the outset of time, every single one of your ancestors survived. Every single person on your mum and dad's side successfully looked after you and pssed onto your life. What are the chances of that, like?...clembo1990

Nah, some of them killed themselves after having kids.

Its a permanent solution to a temporary problem usually. I've been there a few times and have come out alive (obviously) its hard for me to say if it would have been worth it though, life is too hard to gauge like that as I keep learning.

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]For billions of years since the outset of time, every single one of your ancestors survived. Every single person on your mum and dad's side successfully looked after you and pssed onto your life. What are the chances of that, like?...aliblabla2007

For hundreds of years since the outset of time, every single one of your ancestors survived. Every single person on your mum and dad's side successfully looked after you and pssed onto your life. What are the chances of that, like?...clembo1990

[QUOTE="clembo1990"]For billions of years since the outset of time, every single one of your ancestors survived. Every single person on your mum and dad's side successfully looked after you and pssed onto your life. What are the chances of that, like?...aliblabla2007

I severely doubt that. :P

Believe me, I have been depressed and seriously considered it, but I try and think of the good things in life.jstamm33

[QUOTE="jstamm33"]Believe me, I have been depressed and seriously considered it, but I try and think of the good things in life.KOTORkicker

You can hardly judge how someone is feeling. And yes, you do look around in that situation and say, "oh god, what am I complaining about, these people are actually suffering", but what people fail to realise is that teenagers can have problems in their own heads too. This attitude that older people have towards teenagers being depressed is really starting to **** me off.KOTORkicker

Clinical depression can last months, years. From the outside, it's temporary. From the inside, it's permanent and calls for a permanent solution.

Why would the easy way out be wrong?

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]You can hardly judge how someone is feeling. And yes, you do look around in that situation and say, "oh god, what am I complaining about, these people are actually suffering", but what people fail to realise is that teenagers can have problems in their own heads too. This attitude that older people have towards teenagers being depressed is really starting to **** me off.foxhound_fox

It's easy to apply the Historian's Fallacy...

Edit: disregard that statement above^^

Obviously, considering the fact that people have taken it.CptJSparrow

Lol, yeah... Occam would be proud of you :lol:

Clinical depression can last months, years.

Baranga

From the outside, it's temporary. From the inside, it's permanent and calls for a permanent solution.

Baranga

if the person is depressed emotionally, that's actually very easy to cure. Tell a hot girl to go talk to him and go out with him, cheer him up with little things that makes his day better. That's all you gotta do. Why is it cowardly? Because you can't face your problems (which usually aren't even that bad) and you take the so called "easy" way out.mohfrontline

Sometimes it is. If you gain nothing from your life, there's no point in living it.Funky_Llama

[QUOTE="Funky_Llama"]Sometimes it is. If you gain nothing from your life, there's no point in living it.mohfrontline

[QUOTE="Baranga"]

Clinical depression can last months, years.

xaos

From the outside, it's temporary. From the inside, it's permanent and calls for a permanent solution.

Baranga

Crap, I've noticed it now.

I know there are treatments for depression, I was just, uh, saying things >_>

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"][QUOTE="jstamm33"] Trust me, it's not nearly as annoying as seeing teenagers talk about how hard their lives are once you are an adult. :)xaos

[QUOTE="KOTORkicker"]You can hardly judge how someone is feeling. And yes, you do look around in that situation and say, "oh god, what am I complaining about, these people are actually suffering", but what people fail to realise is that teenagers can have problems in their own heads too. This attitude that older people have towards teenagers being depressed is really starting to **** me off.foxhound_fox

EDIT: Glitchspot wreaked havoc on the top quote.

It is for some people. It is a tragic thing, but at the end of the day, it was their choice and I'm not going to spit on them from my high horse for being 'cowards'

Sure--it's just a stupid, selfish and cowardly one.

Sure--it's just a stupid, selfish and cowardly one.

Theokhoth

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Sure--it's just a stupid, selfish and cowardly one.

Hopkins_J

It will for the people still alive.

[QUOTE="Hopkins_J"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Sure--it's just a stupid, selfish and cowardly one.

Theokhoth

It will for the people still alive.

[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

[QUOTE="Hopkins_J"] Won't matter when you are dead. Hopkins_J

It will for the people still alive.

No. Suicide may take away your problems, but it also takes away your only chance at life. And if people were to wait, they would see that things would get better. It's sad to see kids kill themselves at such a young age because of temporary stress.

[QUOTE="Hopkins_J"][QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

It will for the people still alive.

xaos

Suicide is never the answer, only sometimes on game shows