Is the RIAA ******ing kidding?!?!?!?

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#1 dgbiker1
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Has anyone else heard of this:http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html

Now the RIAA is saying it's illegal for me to copy MY music off of MY CD onto MY computer to listen to on MY mp3 player. I'm no MBA, but I'm pretty sure finding a way to sue every single one of your customers is NOT a good business model.

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Has anyone else heard of this:http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html

Now the RIAA is saying it's illegal for me to copy MY music off of MY CD onto MY computer to listen to on MY mp3 player. I'm no MBA, but I'm pretty sure finding a way to sue every single one of your customers is NOT a good business model.

dgbiker1

What, are you kidding? Suing all your customers is a great business model! Its kind of like getting all your future income now instead of over the course of decades. You sue all your customers for $1000 per song they copied thus allowing you to collect all the money they would have spent on music over the course of their lifetime, thus allowing your company to "retire" early.

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#3 Panzer-schreck
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you fail at linking

http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html

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#4 Hallenbeck77  Moderator
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I read about this earlier today. It's just too freaking much, man.

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Good thing I don't deal with music anyplace other than youtube, I'm poor and can't afford such b.s.
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#6 dgbiker1
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you fail at linking

http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2007/12/riaa-files-supplemental-brief-in.html

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Weird, I've been having all sorts of problems with GS lately...this site is getting ridiculous
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#7 ElArab
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Ugh, it's like the only way to stop piracy is total and utter invasion of privacy, and stupid, very stupid, rules. I rip my CD's onto itunes all the time. The fact that I could get arrested for that is ridiculous, but that isn't a law yet right?

Remember though, the answer to 1984, is 1776!!! Don't let the RIAA win!

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#8 FlaminDeath
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So It's no longer leagal for me to listen to my own music how I want.... BRILLIANT!
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#10 -Wicked_Sick-
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That hasn't been made law yet as far as I know.
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#11 double_decker
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So It's no longer leagal for me to listen to my own music how I want.... BRILLIANT!FlaminDeath
I'm sure someone thinks so while they are counting all their money they will be making :lol:
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Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.
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#13 Quick-Time
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Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.TurninTricks

No such thing as free health care.

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hey my taxes may pay for it, but I know I'll be covered, not like down south where I have to pay for my health insurance and they do whatever it takes to deny me
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That hasn't been made law yet as far as I know.-Wicked_Sick-
No, but the fact that they would even think that is extremely aggravating.
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Omg this is a joke, society of today.
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How do you make money by sueing people that can't afford to buy the music? They don't have any disposible income. It's an idle threat just to scare people into buying music. If you sue someone with no money you don't get anything but legal fees.

People are going too far with copyrights. They are making company policies that supersede federal laws. Anybody can sue you for anything, that doesn't mean they will win. I could sue you for hurting my feelings. I won't win but I can do it.

As long you are not selling copies and profiting off of someone else's work you are NOT interfering withtheir copyright. They reserve the right to produce and market their product. Anyone can make as many genericcopies as they want, but they are not permitted to profit financially off oftheir copies. This the federal copyright law.

What's happening is these record companies have become acustomed to makinglarge capitoloff of records. They are greedmongers. These record publications have become enormousand they want their money. As much as they can get. They don't want to be reasonable either, they just want the money they have become accustomed to.

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#18 Samwel_X
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That is actually one of the most rediculous things I have ever heard.
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Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.TurninTricks

i'm totally moving to canada.......unless they're immigration laws are as ridiculous as the us

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#20 MagnumPI
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If people don't want to pay for it... to bad so sad. Try making a product that they have to buy. It's the music industries dumbass fault for putting music on copyable media. They are lazy. Instead of coming up with a new secure format they keep using the old format that EVERYONE can JUSTcopy.

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Ok...I can see downloading it for free off a filesharing program, but how are they going to be able to catch anyone doing this? It doesn't even require the internet. Who cares if they make it illegal.

Unless they force itunes and every other music program to take away the ability to import CD's, which will not happen.

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If people don't want to pay for it... to bad so sad. Try making a product that they have to buy. It's the music industries dumbass fault for putting music on copyable media. They are lazy. Instead of coming up with a new secure format they keep using the old format that EVERYONE can JUSTcopy.

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No, you should be able to make copies for yourself. I certainly do. If I want to listen to music in my car, my living room, and my Ipod, I should not have to buy the same album multiple times.

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#23 Serraph105
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well its not like anybody would listen to that law so making it would be pretty pointless
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yeah they are not making enough money so they need to create more silly rules in order to see profits go up.
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Ok...I can see downloading it for free off a filesharing program, but how are they going to be able to catch anyone doing this? It doesn't even require the internet. Who cares if they make it illegal.

Unless they force itunes and every other music program to take away the ability to import CD's, which will not happen.

Rhythmic_

who knows, apple might force you to use only itunes music in the next ipod. and the next itunes might not allow you to use music from anywhere else but from the the itunes store.

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*sigh* Well there goes Apple's business. Long live Canada!
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#27 Lockedge
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Why download illegally when places like RCRD LBL and SpiralFrog are around? Just to name two places offering music basically for free. That said, I haven't really looked into what you can and can't do with their music downloads.

But yeah, backing up files off a purchased CD...illegal? What? That's idiotic. Sure, you only purchased the right to listen to the exact versions on the provided media, but...still. It's dumb. If I remmeber right, the RIAA is LOSING money on these court cases in legal fees. Like, a LOT of money. I don't know why they don't simply evolve and provide people with a resource to get a crapload of music from, and fill it with ads that generate revenue.

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I doubt this notion will be accepted as legitimate. In any event, you can thank pirates for all this nonsense. People say that the RIAA is to blame for piracy because they don't do what's necessary to protect their product against piracy. Then they complain when the RIAA DOES attempt to protect its product against piracy. Rest assured, if people weren't stealing music using the internet, none of this would be happening.

Blame the cause, not the effect.

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Even if this is made a law it won't phase me one bit, I havn't been listening to the RIAA since the very begining so obviously I don't have any cds to begin with. :P
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#30 Decessus
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Has anyone else heard of this: Atlantic v. Howell

Now the RIAA is saying it's illegal for me to copy MY music off of MY CD onto MY computer to listen to on MY mp3 player. I'm no MBA, but I'm pretty sure finding a way to sue every single one of your customers is NOT a good business model.

dgbiker1

I don't think that is what the case is about. Here is a link to the actual motion for summary judgement. It seems to me from reading it, that they are not suing because he copied the music. They are suing because the copywritten music files were placed in the shared folder directory of his Kazaa, which makes them available to all other Kazaa users.
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[QUOTE="TurninTricks"]Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.Quick-Time

No such thing as free health care.

Also, children can drink and smoke...The only thing is that the children can only drink and smoke in their own home alone (or with parents) and they cannot buy the cigarretes.

Also, I believe some sites got blocked from Canada a few months ago, but are still availible to the US and Europe... So no, it is not good to be Canadian.

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I wonder if they realize that all this suing is just causing a backlash against them and actually ENCOURAGING piracy.....

Nope, they don't.

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RIAA is serious business, as we know all-too-well with the trillion dollar lawsuit.
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So is it illegal for Apple to have an import feature in iTunes? :?
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#35 Decessus
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So is it illegal for Apple to have an import feature in iTunes? :?SolidSnake35

Atlantic v. Howell, which is the case the original poster is referring to, is not about copying music. It's about putting music files into a shared folder of peer-to-peer software.

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#36 dgbiker1
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[QUOTE="dgbiker1"]

Has anyone else heard of this: Atlantic v. Howell

Now the RIAA is saying it's illegal for me to copy MY music off of MY CD onto MY computer to listen to on MY mp3 player. I'm no MBA, but I'm pretty sure finding a way to sue every single one of your customers is NOT a good business model.

Decessus

I don't think that is what the case is about. Here is a link to the actual motion for summary judgement. It seems to me from reading it, that they are not suing because he copied the music. They are suing because the copywritten music files were placed in the shared folder directory of his Kazaa, which makes them available to all other Kazaa users.

Yes and no. The defendant is being sued for sharing files over Kazaa, which is reasonable. But the record label actually stated that they believe it is illegal to rip your CDs onto your computer for your personal use because the MP3 format is basically designed for piracy by allowing quick transfers over the internet (their words, not mine). Even their lawyer admitted it was strange. I don't think it will ever become illegal, but it's aggravating to know that's how they feel about the situation.
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I really don't think you guys should be whining. People who download their music instead of buying it as a CD is killing the music industry. I personally think that there shouldn't be downloadable music. People should buy them in CD stores instead of staying the house downloading things.
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I doubt this notion will be accepted as legitimate. In any event, you can thank pirates for all this nonsense. People say that the RIAA is to blame for piracy because they don't do what's necessary to protect their product against piracy. Then they complain when the RIAA DOES attempt to protect its product against piracy. Rest assured, if people weren't stealing music using the internet, none of this would be happening.

Blame the cause, not the effect.

pianist
Take one step further back. The reason for piracy was CD prices that were artificially inflated and a distribution model that was not satisfactory to customers (Why did I have to pay $25 for a CD with only 2 decent songs?). I've used iTMS (or 7digital when possible) since 2003 since they gave me a reasonable avenue to purchase songs, I will support the artist/label as long as the terms are fair. Instead of fixing their business model, they've just incriminated their, and in some ways I think that has fueled more backlash and piracy.
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Yes and no. The defendant is being sued for sharing files over Kazaa, which is reasonable. But the record label actually stated that they believe it is illegal to rip your CDs onto your computer for your personal use because the MP3 format is basically designed for piracy by allowing quick transfers over the internet (their words, not mine). Even their lawyer admitted it was strange. I don't think it will ever become illegal, but it's aggravating to know that's how they feel about the situation.dgbiker1

I don't doubt that the RIAA thinks putting songs onto your computer from a CD is illegal. Record labels it seem would rather conform to archaic practices that seem to me to be obsolete in a digital world. Instead of wasting time and money trying to fight the whole digital age, I think their efforts would be better spent trying to take advantage of the new technology.

That being said, this case isn't about copying files from a CD onto your hard-drive. The people who run these record companies are not stupid. They know that trying to pursue such an effort in a court of law would just be a waste of time and money. Of course, I've been known to be wrong before.

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Wow, they've totally just defeated the purpose of owning an MP3 player. :P :?
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#41 Decessus
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I really don't think you guys should be whining. People who download their music instead of buying it as a CD is killing the music industry. I personally think that there shouldn't be downloadable music. People should buy them in CD stores instead of staying the house downloading things. Lord__Darkstorn

I'm pretty sure the music industry is still a billion dollar business, so your claim that downloading music is killing it seems a little over-exaggerated to me.

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[QUOTE="pianist"]

I doubt this notion will be accepted as legitimate. In any event, you can thank pirates for all this nonsense. People say that the RIAA is to blame for piracy because they don't do what's necessary to protect their product against piracy. Then they complain when the RIAA DOES attempt to protect its product against piracy. Rest assured, if people weren't stealing music using the internet, none of this would be happening.

Blame the cause, not the effect.

dgbiker1

Take one step further back. The reason for piracy was CD prices that were artificially inflated and a distribution model that was not satisfactory to customers (Why did I have to pay $25 for a CD with only 2 decent songs?). I've used iTMS (or 7digital when possible) since 2003 since they gave me a reasonable avenue to purchase songs, I will support the artist/label as long as the terms are fair. Instead of fixing their business model, they've just incriminated their, and in some ways I think that has fueled more backlash and piracy.

Why would a decent song not be worth $12.50 to you? How many times will you listen to it in the course of your life? How much enjoyment will it bring you? If you derive a great deal of enjoyment over the course of your life from that one song, listening to it many times, it's worth a hell of a lot more to you than many other things you would spend $12.50 on. And that is, of course, assuming there really are only two decent musical selections on an entire CD.

Besides, if this is the issue, you don't buy the CD. Simple as that. You don't like most of an album? Then you don't support it commercially. You support something you do like. Now that individual tracks can be downloaded for a far cry less than the cost of a CD, there's no excuse for continued illegal downloading with this 'justification.'

What it really boils down to is this. People avoid paying for things whenever they can. They don't care about anything but their own wants - to enjoy a song and preserve their money to spend on things that can not be so readily stolen. I have no sympathy for that sort of behavior. It is greedy, and incredibly disrespectful to the people who devote months or years of their lives and a great deal of money to the production of a CD, only to be told that $25 is too much to ask for what they offer.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think most albums are not worth $25 to me. But I don't buy them, nor do I download any part of them. They're not worth $25 to me because I dislike the music. But if you're going to go out of your way to download the music, it IS worth it to you. You wouldn't seek out downloads from a particular artist if you hated his or her work.

All sorts of excuses have been pioneered by pirates trying to justify their behaviour. I've seen some so laughable that they make it sound like the PIRATES are the noble ones, and are doing it to combat the big bad businesses that are exploiting artists. Modern day Robin Hoods... they steal from the rich to give to themselves. But in the end, regardless of all the hot air they spew, they're still just greedy crooks who will do whatever they can to acquire an entertainment service without paying for it. That's really all there is to it.

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Wow, they can have fun sueing every one that owns both a CD and a computer.
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[QUOTE="dgbiker1"][QUOTE="pianist"]

I doubt this notion will be accepted as legitimate. In any event, you can thank pirates for all this nonsense. People say that the RIAA is to blame for piracy because they don't do what's necessary to protect their product against piracy. Then they complain when the RIAA DOES attempt to protect its product against piracy. Rest assured, if people weren't stealing music using the internet, none of this would be happening.

Blame the cause, not the effect.

pianist

Take one step further back. The reason for piracy was CD prices that were artificially inflated and a distribution model that was not satisfactory to customers (Why did I have to pay $25 for a CD with only 2 decent songs?). I've used iTMS (or 7digital when possible) since 2003 since they gave me a reasonable avenue to purchase songs, I will support the artist/label as long as the terms are fair. Instead of fixing their business model, they've just incriminated their, and in some ways I think that has fueled more backlash and piracy.

Why would a decent song not be worth $12.50 to you? How many times will you listen to it in the course of your life? How much enjoyment will it bring you? If you derive a great deal of enjoyment over the course of your life from that one song, listening to it many times, it's worth a hell of a lot more to you than many other things you would spend $12.50 on. And that is, of course, assuming there really are only two decent musical selections on an entire CD.

Besides, if this is the issue, you don't buy the CD. Simple as that. You don't like most of an album? Then you don't support it commercially. You support something you do like. Now that individual tracks can be downloaded for a far cry less than the cost of a CD, there's no excuse for continued illegal downloading with this 'justification.'

What it really boils down to is this. People avoid paying for things whenever they can. They don't care about anything but their own wants - to enjoy a song and preserve their money to spend on things that can not be so readily stolen. I have no sympathy for that sort of behavior. It is greedy, and incredibly disrespectful to the people who devote months or years of their lives and a great deal of money to the production of a CD, only to be told that $25 is too much to ask for what they offer.

Now, don't get me wrong. I think most albums are not worth $25 to me. But I don't buy them, nor do I download any part of them. They're not worth $25 to me because I dislike the music. But if you're going to go out of your way to download the music, it IS worth it to you. You wouldn't seek out downloads from a particular artist if you hated his or her work.

All sorts of excuses have been pioneered by pirates trying to justify their behaviour. I've seen some so laughable that they make it sound like the PIRATES are the noble ones, and are doing it to combat the big bad businesses that are exploiting artists. Modern day Robin Hoods... they steal from the rich to give to themselves. But in the end, regardless of all the hot air they spew, they're still just greedy crooks who will do whatever they can to acquire an entertainment service without paying for it. That's really all there is to it.

You're right, with all of the digital music stores, there is no longer an excuse to pirate music. Even though I do get much enjoyment out of the music, no song is worth $12.50 to me. If an album was $25, that works out to a value of about $2/song. You're not paying $12.50 for one song, you're being forced to buy extras that you don't want. But there are many songs that I love on albums that I hate, thankfully that's no longer a problem. My point is the customer should have been given a choice instead of having entire albums forced down our throats. I was saying that piracy originated from that set of circumstances, not that it's still a legitimate reason. CDs were supposed to be cheaper than cassettes when they came out, the pitch was they would initially be expensive but come down in price shortly, but the labels artificially kept the price high even when manufacturing costs were down to pennies per album. If an industry makes it a habit to price-gouge (they were), I think they deserved some kind of retribution. Furthermore, modern digital music stores probably wouldn't exist as we know and love them without the crap-storm that came from napster. With all the options we have today though, I cannot say I support piracy in any way, but B.S. moves like this from the RIAA that prevent me from doing what I want with my own music on my own equipment certainly prevent me from sympathizing with the RIAA.
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Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.TurninTricks
i have 1 thing to say about that. MILK IN A BAG
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Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.TurninTricks
To be fair, if we go down, you guys go down with us.
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[QUOTE="TurninTricks"]Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.Quick-Time

No such thing as free health care.

i live in Canada...and clearly there is. :| It's government funded, we don't pay a cent for it. There are ups and downs, yes, but it's still free.

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[QUOTE="TurninTricks"]Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.Cerussite
To be fair, if we go down, you guys go down with us.

our dollar > your dollar? ....seems about right. :P

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[QUOTE="Quick-Time"]

[QUOTE="TurninTricks"]Its good to be Canadian, excuse me while I leave my home unlocked, buy liquor at the age of 19, smoke a pack of ciggaerettes, finish it off with one of my magic cigarettes at my buddys workplace (51 police division) get free health care for my bad knee and return to my home with no damages, right before I go to work, its only minimum wage (20.65/hr) but it pays the bills.chrisrooR

No such thing as free health care.

i live in Canada...and clearly there is. :| It's government funded, we don't pay a cent for it. There are ups and downs, yes, but it's still free.

And where does the govt get it's money from? We paid a crapload more income tax when we lived in Canada than we do in Washington.