is the UN also to blame for attacks on UN schools

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Poll is the UN also to blame for attacks on UN schools (8 votes)

Yes the UN shares some responsibility for this - they should have secured their schools 50%
No they are doing what they can 50%

So basically there was a recent incident in which a UN run school that was being used as a shelter for Gazan civilians was hit by some shells and 17 people were killed. The UN is blaming Israel and UN Secretary General Ban-ki Moon is pretty mad. According to the UN they examined the shells and identified them as being Israeli tank shells. Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev has said that Israel is still investigating and that if they do find out that the UN facility was hit by errant Israeli fire they will come clean about it. Regev pointed out that the day before this happened an Israeli soldier was killed by a sniper firing from a UN facility. It is possible that this school was indeed hit by Israel: the Israel military says they did respond to Hamas mortar fire near the school.

So far six UN schools have been hit since the fighting began. But as other stories have shown, the UN has discovered rockets hidden in UN schools, and in one case they handed those rockets over to the "local police" (which would be controlled by Hamas). According to a UN official named John Ging, "the case where terrorists’ weapons had been found in U.N. schools, those schools had not been operating as schools at the time, having been evacuated for safety reasons". Ging says“When we recovered those schools the U.N. were the ones who found the weapons in their inspections, because we have zero tolerance and a very high degree of responsibility to ensure that nothing is stored in our schools like weapons, and no armed people are in these facilities.” So it does appear that the UN is doing something to stop Hamas from using those UN facilities for military/terrorist purposes.

So what do you think, is the UN partially responsible for the UN facilities getting hit? Or are they doing all they can. I guess that partly depends on how Hamas was able to get those weapons into those facilities, if it is as Ging says and Hamas was able to do so because the schools had been evacuated that makes sense. The UN should secure their facilities with adequate guards (though I have a feeling Hamas might refuse to let the UN do so) to ensure that Hamas can not bring weapons into the facilities, but they can probably only secure the facilities themselves, not the area surrounding those facilities.

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#1 whipassmt
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I would say that most blame belongs with Hamas for putting those weapons in UN schools or firing near the schools. I don't think its fair to blame Israel for firing back at Hamas guys that are firing at them, the Israeli soldiers were just defending themselves.

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#2  Edited By Masculus
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No. IDF is to be blamed. No one should take the Israeli spokesman seriously, at least not for now. They are on full PR damage control mode now. It's more reasonable to assume these are just ad hoc justifications to what are in reality either mistakes or deliberate attacks on civillian targets.

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#3 The_Last_Ride
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no... Israel bombed the freaking thing

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#4 LJS9502_basic
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HAMAS....though the UN should do a better job over there.

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#5 whipassmt
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@Masculus said:

No. IDF is to be blamed. No one should take the Israeli spokesman seriously, at least not for now. They are on full PR damage control mode now. It's more reasonable to assume these are just ad hoc justifications to what are in reality either mistakes or deliberate attacks on civillian targets.

So you don't think that Hamas was shooting from inside UN buildings or from the general vicinity of such areas. I think if Israel did hit UN facilities it wasn't intentional, it was "errant fire" where the round didn't quite hit the target.

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#6 opex07
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@Masculus said:

No. IDF is to be blamed. No one should take the Israeli spokesman seriously, at least not for now. They are on full PR damage control mode now. It's more reasonable to assume these are just ad hoc justifications to what are in reality either mistakes or deliberate attacks on civillian targets.

Its hard to always know the truth in situations like these but the UN themselves have admitted to finding weapons in several schools, it seems to be more than just IDF PR.

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#7 aliens1234
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The UN has given precise coordinates of their buildings, so when a UN school receives a hit the errant fire suggestion doesn't hold water. It would appear IDF has knowingly targeted UN schools being used as shelter for civilians. Three schools with weapons caches out of six hit so far, I guess being "right" half the time is fine, even if in any case the buildings have civilians inside. Or you know, it could be a war crime. The UN should be lauded for still being in Gaza.

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#8 whipassmt
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@aliens1234 said:

The UN has given precise coordinates of their buildings, so when a UN school receives a hit the errant fire suggestion doesn't hold water. It would appear IDF has knowingly targeted UN schools being used as shelter for civilians. Three schools with weapons caches out of six hit so far, I guess being "right" half the time is fine, even if in any case the buildings have civilians inside. Or you know, it could be a war crime. The UN should be lauded for still being in Gaza.

Even if Israel knows the locations of UN schools, it doesn't mean that those schools getting hit is intentional. Technology can go wrong and humans can make mistake and a missile might go off a little bit. If Hamas is firing at Israeli soldiers, of course those soldiers will fire back. I doubt IDF would deliberately target schools that are being used as a shelter, even if those schools had rockets hidden in there (maybe one of those rockets might go off though and then Hamas would try to blame Israel).

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#9 whipassmt
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What I am saying is that the UN should have armed guards to secure their facilities so that Hamas cannot put weapons into those facilities. But I don't know if Hamas will let the UN put those guards around facilities in Gaza.

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#10 SUD123456
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@whipassmt said:

What I am saying is that the UN should have armed guards to secure their facilities so that Hamas cannot put weapons into those facilities. But I don't know if Hamas will let the UN put those guards around facilities in Gaza.

Don't think you have thought this through... like at all.