Is the United States still the model of what a nation should be like?

In terms of freedom, liberty, and style of government?

Do you think another country is doing it better?

too broad. Some countries do things better than others, some things worse.

between traveling through the U.S and a portion of europe. it's pretty much the same here and there with maybe a few different laws

A good model, yes.

A perfect model, no.

im pretty sure canada is a better modelJustSignedUp

Canada lacks panache.

Hmmm...but they do have poutine.

Dammit. :evil:

We should totally invade.

You're with us, or you're not.

im pretty sure canada is a better modelJustSignedUp

[QUOTE="JustSignedUp"]im pretty sure canada is a better modelAllicrombie

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"][QUOTE="JustSignedUp"]im pretty sure canada is a better modelDylan_11

sorreh

no absolutely not. a "model society" is always going to be one of those smaller nations, because smaller and more homogeneous society can progress faster and be more "experimental".

A nation that achieve the absolute best in human rights and freedom (personal liberty, democracy/voting rights, freedom of speech), progressive on social issues (LGBT rights, racism, tolerance of other culture, gender equality, prostitution, drug freedom, euthanasia, death penalty) etc etc

Increase access of necessity for all citizen (affordable public education, Universal health care, Unemployment insurance, child tax benefit, low tuition fee, elder benefit, public library/transit)

Sustainable development with (clean air, public green space, water quality, and environmental conservation/sustainability effort)

Social situation (lower gap between rich/poor, lower homicide rate, low crime rate), and a justice system that does not have the highest incarceration rate in whe world and do not operate prisons like private slave camps/ or criminal training schools, that's a very important indicator of a developed society.

Material living (personal/household income, disposable income, space of living, quality of food/cloth/housing/vacations, lower stress from work/healthy living) that sort of stuff.

Political system with parties that are actually different from each other, actually stand with the people, and not in a political deadlock. And the state must be relatively stable, not in danger of collapse.

The consideration of Global Peace Index, Failed State index, gender gap index, corruption/perception index, democracy index, education index, human development index, infant mortality index, life expectancy, quality of life index, freedom of press, statisfaction of life index, economic competitiveness, charitable giving index, environmental sustainability index and distribution of wealth, per capital GDP are just some of the measures that reveal collectively, the more developed societies.

Does US fit the bill as a model for what nations should be like? Norway, Sweden, Finland, Denmark may have something to say.

No country where capital punishment still exists can make claims to be the model nation.ZX81plus3

State sanction premeditated first degree killing of its citizens against their will is certainly not a part of a model society, you're absolutely right.

I think the US is a really cool place, even though I've never been there myself.
But it's so silly to think a nation is the best as there are still too many things going wrong to say that any one nation is great. What does it mean to proclaim the best when there is not a single one that does everything well?
Maybe you should look at how much people like to live there, then some scandinavian countries are doing best, despite the heavy US nationalist propaganda.

Nope, its electoral college system leads to a high level of voting power inequality between citizens across different states. The senator by state and legislator by district system also causes massive misrepresentation due to some states and districts having massively more legislative power per capita than others, and you can also see the results of gerrymandering with the fact that the G.O.P can retain a majority in the House despite having less votes for their House Representatives than the Democrats. Its political system is really, really, really crap as far as representing the population's views goes, and no country that wants to be considered "democratic" should try to emulate it.

I can't complain, but I prefer to think of myself as Californian before American :P

I've traveled to much of Europe and Asia, though, and I prefer our "way" of life better. We are still the land of opportunity, still the melting pot; I love the diversity here.

We are far from perfect, but the US is a young country and we can still do a lot of good for ourselves and the world.

[QUOTE="JustSignedUp"]im pretty sure canada is a better modelbr0kenrabbit

Canada lacks panache.

Hmmm...but they do have poutine.

Dammit. :evil:

We should totally invade.

You're with us, or you're not.

Nobody does it better. Allicrombie

On paper, sure.

A good model, yes.

A perfect model, no.

dercoo

[QUOTE="Allicrombie"]Nobody does it better. LJS9502_basic

your jokes kill me LJ

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Allicrombie"]Nobody does it better. Dylan_11

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Makes me feel sad for the rest.....LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Dylan_11"]your jokes kill me LJDylan_11

You're not. You've totally lost the one thing you were good at. Now...you're just another moron on the internet. Cheers!LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]You're not. You've totally lost the one thing you were good at. Now...you're just another moron on the internet. Cheers!Dylan_11

I believe Canada's charter for right have been the base model for many other countries. U.S. Constitution is quite outdated.

liberty? hahaahahaha :lol:

larges inmate population in the world land of the free indeed.

*yawn*LJS9502_basic

No offence Americanos but i'm glad i'm not living in the States.I wouldn't mind visting tho :D

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn*Dylan_11

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]*yawn*LJS9502_basic

Dylan_11

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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]kingkong0124

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[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]Dylan_11

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between traveling through the U.S and a portion of europe. it's pretty much the same here and there with maybe a few different laws

almasdeathchild

[QUOTE="Dylan_11"]

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"]

no offense but...

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Hop off OT bruv

KungfuKitten

BEST GET OFF MA LAWN WHILE YOU KNOW WHATS GOOD FOR YOU

ya thats whats up

#THUGLIFE

Different nations should be different from each other, not try to mimic one country or another.

Different nations should be different from each other, not try to mimic one country or another.

whipassmt

some values are universal

longer life expectancy, better health care, better public education for everyone, low crime rate, environmental sustainablibity, ability to speak one's mind without prosecution, higher social mobility, higher relative material wealth, affective justice system that actually works, better public transit etc etc

It's not about mimic other countries and losing uniqueness, it's about being objectively higher on the "development ladder". Unless, of course, you think having ineffetive justice system that lead to higher crime rate is something unique and should be treasured in America.