Is the US an empire?

Do you think it is accurate to apply imperilism to the United States?

Uhm...i don't know...

America is a state of England.Deihjan

[QUOTE="Deihjan"]America is a state of England.wolverine4262

I can find no real basis by which to call them that, conspiracy theories notwithstanding.

yes and their death star is almost fully armed and operational. and its going to be tested on north korea first :twisted:

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Deihjan"]America is a state of England.Ninja-Hippo

I think there are a few gov agencies that believe we are.

But in general, no.

What do I know, I'm a viking. I come from a long line of strong, bloodthirsty fighters, not scholars! *rar* We conquered almost all of europe, scandinavia and we discovered Vinland, aka America, first!Deihjan

America = modern Rome.Gallego

Yes, but the way empires work has changed in modern times. It's more like the British empire, not really territorial, but an empire of political influence and global power projection...

We are a colonial empire technicaly (Puerto Rico ect...)

It doesn't really matter to me. If being an empire means we have our own interests taken care of, then I'm all for being an empire, because there is certainly not another state that will take care of our interests for us, or even help us take care of them.

[QUOTE="Deihjan"] What do I know, I'm a viking. I come from a long line of strong, bloodthirsty fighters, not scholars! *rar* We conquered almost all of europe, scandinavia and we discovered Vinland, aka America, first!wolverine4262

[QUOTE="Gallego"]America = modern Rome.jaqulle999

[QUOTE="jaqulle999"][QUOTE="Gallego"]America = modern Rome.Gallego

Except the conductor is an idiot, and he chooses to stop in an area that is in the middle of a massive drought.

I wouldn't say so.

Yup.

[QUOTE="Deihjan"]America is a state of England.wolverine4262

Used to be.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"][QUOTE="Deihjan"]America is a state of England.funsohng

not at all

Yup.

no i dont think the US is an Empire.

I think we are a country?

No?

Yup.

Dylan_11

To those answering yes, what definition of "empire" would the US meet:

em·pire [em-pahyuhr]

–noun

1.a group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, french Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire.

2.a government under an emperor or empress.

3.( often initial capital letter ) the historical period during which a nation is under such a government: a history of the second French empire.

4.supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.

5.supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.

6.a powerful and important enterprise or holding of large scope that is controlled by a single person, family, or group of associates: The family's shipping empire was founded 50 years ago.

7.( initial capital letter ) a variety of apple somewhat resembling the McIntosh.

I count... none.

4.supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.

5.supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.

GabuEx

The US is pretty much an empire in decline.

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

4.supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.

5.supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.

kuraimen

The US is pretty much an empire in decline.

How does being an economic and military force translate to "supreme power in governming" or "supreme control", though? It seems to me that America's ventures in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq pretty much put to bed any sense that America has supreme control over something.

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

4.supreme power in governing; imperial power; sovereignty: Austria's failure of empire in central Europe.

5.supreme control; absolute sway: passion's empire over the mind.

GabuEx

The US is pretty much an empire in decline.

How does being an economic and military force translate to "supreme power in governming" or "supreme control", though? It seems to me that America's ventures in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq pretty much put to bed any sense that America has supreme control over something.

The whole world is inmersed in a capitalist system so economic power means control. Having strategic military bases and the most powerful army in the world means control. Not even the Rome empire, which is the epitome to the empire concept, managed to control all the territories from barbarian hordes before their decline but they were nevertheless considered an empire. Even if you lose some battles you can be considered an empire and the US has lots of control not just with their military.

The US is actually a 'hyperpower' country since they are technologically, economically and militarily dominant in the world stage.

let me google that for u :P

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

4 and 5 are the closest. The US started like all other empires with expansion (Manifest Destiny) since that stopped (not very willingly) the US has military bases all over the world that serve strategic military positions. That works to control the world by force. They control most of the world ideologically, culturally and economically and all over history people migrate to the empire to be part of the "superior race", all signs of imperialism that the US has. Also, the empire's moral and economic power starts waning first until the only thing left is their military power. That's the one that lasts longer for obvious reasons but it eventually is surpassed.

The US is pretty much an empire in decline.

kuraimen

How does being an economic and military force translate to "supreme power in governming" or "supreme control", though? It seems to me that America's ventures in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq pretty much put to bed any sense that America has supreme control over something.

The whole world is inmersed in a capitalist system so economic power means control. Having strategic military bases and the most powerful army in the world means control. Not even the Rome empire, which is the epitome to the empire concept, managed to control all the territories from barbarian hordes before their decline but they were nevertheless considered an empire. Even if you lose some battles you can be considered an empire and the US has lots of control not just with their military.

OK, but the definitions very specifically say "supreme control".

Do you think it is accurate to apply imperilism to the United States?

LastCaveMan

No, not by a long shot.

Reality shows this, as we don't control nations we conquered in war.

We rebuilt Europe and Japan, we didn't rule over them.

If we were imperialist, then Obama would be President of half of the globe.:P:lol:

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

How does being an economic and military force translate to "supreme power in governming" or "supreme control", though? It seems to me that America's ventures in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq pretty much put to bed any sense that America has supreme control over something.

GabuEx

The whole world is inmersed in a capitalist system so economic power means control. Having strategic military bases and the most powerful army in the world means control. Not even the Rome empire, which is the epitome to the empire concept, managed to control all the territories from barbarian hordes before their decline but they were nevertheless considered an empire. Even if you lose some battles you can be considered an empire and the US has lots of control not just with their military.

OK, but the definitions very specifically say "supreme control".

[QUOTE="GabuEx"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]

The whole world is inmersed in a capitalist system so economic power means control. Having strategic military bases and the most powerful army in the world means control. Not even the Rome empire, which is the epitome to the empire concept, managed to control all the territories from barbarian hordes before their decline but they were nevertheless considered an empire. Even if you lose some battles you can be considered an empire and the US has lots of control not just with their military.

kuraimen

OK, but the definitions very specifically say "supreme control".

Eh? The emperor (or empress) in historical empires certainly did have supreme control over his (or her) subjects.

America = modern Rome.Gallego

[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="GabuEx"]

OK, but the definitions very specifically say "supreme control".

GabuEx

Eh? The emperor (or empress) in historical empires certainly did have supreme control over his (or her) subjects.