Is there a correlation between high IQ's and Mental Disorders?

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#1 Penguinchow
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I'm aware that scientifically there is no proof for this assumption. But it seems to me that individuals with very high IQ's tend to suffer from mental disorders (ex. OCD, anxiety, manic-depressive disorder) at a higher rate than those of a more "normal intellect". I'm also aware that the lower end of the IQ spectrum suffers from this as well. Maybe it's a problem of the extremes at both ends? I have an uncle with an IQ of 163 (wow huh?) who suffers from manic-depressive disorder, hypochondria, and mild schizophrenia. I also have a variety of acquaintances who have genius level IQ's and almost consistenly suffer from either OCD or anxiety. Once again, I'm aware that there is no scientific proof for this. Has anyone else noticed this trend besides me?

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#2 Trinners
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I don't really know anything about the issue but don't some of those disorders make the brain fire more synapses (basically the brain going into turbo)?

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#3 lloveLamp
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there might be. since people with really high iqs sometimes have very strong logical skills, but not so much social skills. they end up valuing things diferrently and find happines in a way uncommon to most
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#4 Penguinchow
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I don't really know anything about the issue but don't some of those disorders make the brain fire more synapses (basically the brain going into turbo)?

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I'm fairly sure they do, along with chemical imbalances
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I have a very high IQ and have had a very hard time functioning normally after college due to anxiety.

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#6 ViewtifulScott
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I consider myself of fairly average intelligence, and I'm one of the most screwed up people around.
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#7 Penguinchow
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I consider myself of fairly average intelligence, and I'm one of the most screwed up people around.ViewtifulScott
Well I wasn't saying that there aren't plenty of average folks with serious neuroticism. I just see a higher instance of it in genius level intellects
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#8 BiancaDK
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There can literally be dozens upon dozens if not hundreds of facets attributing to a correlation between absolutes of IQ, and a higher rate of psychological disorders , if any. It can also be as simple as a certain demographic being observed more intensily, creating a greater pile-up of data, giving a false impression that is only there because the rest of the statistical spectrum consists of black numbers or it could be both? dun dun duuun...
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I have no idea, but the three smartest people I've ever met (one was a retired shuttle scientist from NASA, we worked together at a telemarketing firm when I was in my teens) were, well odd. For instance with him, he never divulged what he did before he retired, lived in a tiny, nasty house, drove a beat-up car that wouldn't run half the time (I'd always end up giving him a ride home), could do the NY Times crossword puzzle within our 5 minute break everytime, but was one of the nicest people I've ever met. At his funeral I met his son, and he told me all about what his dad had did developing the shuttle program, that he was very, very wealthy, had it all in the bank and lived off what little he made working at that telemarketing job. Great guy, just very odd.
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I have no idea, but the three smartest people I've ever met (one was a retired shuttle scientist from NASA, we worked together at a telemarketing firm when I was in my teens) were, well odd. For instance with him, he never divulged what he did before he retired, lived in a tiny, nasty house, drove a beat-up car that wouldn't run half the time (I'd always end up giving him a ride home), could do the NY Times crossword puzzle within our 5 minute break everytime, but was one of the nicest people I've ever met. At his funeral I met his son, and he told me all about what his dad had did developing the shuttle program, that he was very, very wealthy, had it all in the bank and lived off what little he made working at that telemarketing job. Great guy, just very odd.btaylor2404
Maybe he knew something we don't ;)
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#11 GabuEx
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I would not really doubt it at all. As the saying goes, the only real difference between genius and insanity is success.

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Well, there are a couple of factors here. One is that the IQ system is pretty flawed, aside from the racial bias there are a lot of questions of if it favors certain types of intelligence (capacity to retain over capacity to process). This introduces other factors, like the correlation between being white and having depression and an inverse correlation for minorities, so if IQ tests favor white people then one could naturally infer they would have a slightly higher rate of depression. There's also a question of the mental disorders in question, I know issues have been raised over a supposed over-diagnosis of disorders like ADD among minorities, so perhaps if they seem to have a disorder but remain undiganosed it can agian be inferred that this is because of the statistical imbalance in the number of diagnosises between certain minorities and caucasians. That also brings up the question of if white people are under-diagnosed or if minorities are over-diganosed, or is the best way to treat these conditions by prescribing drugs? This could lead to the philosophical question raised by Foucault of the division of madness, that by observing those who deviate from what is accepted to be normal behavior we're automatically subjectively defining them where he suggests we might need to simply get past such divisions.

This, of course, is all macro level, I'm sure that by going down to the micro level you could make all different kinds of observations about psychology, environment, upbringing,and find certain constant threads. Based on my experiences, though, there's not a substantial correlation between intelligence and higher brain function, bad wording, I know, but wait before you jump on me. What I'm saying is people are talking about these people with higher speeds of synapse firing and that obviously gives them an advantadge, but what I'm saying is there are also very many people who don't have such brain functions and are still very intelligent. They reach a certain level of intelligence because they dedicate themselves to working, attaining knowledge, studying, and such. Perhaps this has something to do with how they developed intellectually, do their study habits early in life affect how their brain functions? Possibly, good question I think. This also ties in to how you define intlligence, I've known people who could multiply any huge number in their head, but when it came to social interaction or philosophical thought were completely inept, and the other way around. That, plus even a savant will stagnate if not given proper outlets, even if higer brain function is inherent or even just beyind our current understanding we are still social creatures and if we don't develop whatever inherent skills we may or may not have we will never reach any potential. So basically I think the question should be is there an unusually large concentration of large IQ's in a group of people with these specific disorders, and not if there is a large number of people with disorders in teh group of high IQs.

Lastly, I'll jsut say that grouping such disorders in broad categories is a very confusing generalization. Some of the mental disorders that typically cause low IQs, such as autism,can at timesshow higher brain function in the sense that you're talking about, the problem is that parts of the brain dealing with communication are damaged. Mental disorders can be so complicated that it's not really right to just group them in such broad categories.

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#13 Agent-Zero
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I think the media has given you this idea.....Savants are not very common.
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I don't know, man. I see a lot of crazy hobos in the streets, who are both ****ing crazy AND poorly educated. I think that this probably has more to do with the fact that nobody cares about the crazy bums. I mean, if you're a smart and privileged person growing up in a wealthy family, then people notice that you're smart, rich, and crazy. But that's only because the wealth gets these people kept in school for a long time. Meanwhile, the crazy ass poor bum just looks like a crazy bum. He might be smart as hell, but no one cares about that, since he's a crazy bum. I'm just saying that everyone cares about the crazy and intelligent people who still have jobs or go to school. But that's likely only because people still have to interact with these people since they have jobs and go to school. But once trhis person falls hard enough to NOT have a job or go to school, then they're just crazy bums. At which point, we lump them in with the alcoholics, the crackheads, and the mentally retarded. Even though they may actually be REALLY ****ing smart.
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I think the media has given you this idea.....Savants are not very common.Agent-Zero
Savants are mentally disabled people who excel at something in a tremendous fashion, such as someone who is clinically mentally retarded yet can draw a masterpiece. I find people like that extremely interesting. Saw a TV show about it one day and it was great.
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[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]I don't know, man. I see a lot of crazy hobos in the streets, who are both ****ing crazy AND poorly educated. I think that this probably has more to do with the fact that nobody cares about the crazy bums. I mean, if you're a smart and privileged person growing up in a wealthy family, then people notice that you're smart, rich, and crazy. But that's only because the wealth gets these people kept in school for a long time. Meanwhile, the crazy ass poor bum just looks like a crazy bum. He might be smart as hell, but no one cares about that, since he's a crazy bum. I'm just saying that everyone cares about the crazy and intelligent people who still have jobs or go to school. But that's likely only because people still have to interact with these people since they have jobs and go to school. But once trhis person falls hard enough to NOT have a job or go to school, then they're just crazy bums. At which point, we lump them in with the alcoholics, the crackheads, and the mentally retarded. Even though they may actually be REALLY ****ing smart.

Now one of my points was that both ends of the intelligence spectrum seem to be more highly populated with "nut jobs". Really I was wondering about the side not generally recognized as a breeding ground for crazy folk, the genius level side.
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[QUOTE="Agent-Zero"]I think the media has given you this idea.....Savants are not very common.MuddVader
Savants are mentally disabled people who excel at something in a tremendous fashion, such as someone who is clinically mentally retarded yet can draw a masterpiece. I find people like that extremely interesting. Saw a TV show about it one day and it was great.

I find this fellow quite fascinating Link

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I have no idea, but the three smartest people I've ever met (one was a retired shuttle scientist from NASA, we worked together at a telemarketing firm when I was in my teens) were, well odd. For instance with him, he never divulged what he did before he retired, lived in a tiny, nasty house, drove a beat-up car that wouldn't run half the time (I'd always end up giving him a ride home), could do the NY Times crossword puzzle within our 5 minute break everytime, but was one of the nicest people I've ever met. At his funeral I met his son, and he told me all about what his dad had did developing the shuttle program, that he was very, very wealthy, had it all in the bank and lived off what little he made working at that telemarketing job. Great guy, just very odd.btaylor2404

This reminds me of a friend of my fathers. He is some sort of nuclear/rocket scientist currently employed by the American Army or something like that to work on projects and is apparently one of a handful of people in the world who can do whatever he does, the dude is a total genius, but he lives like an absolute bum. Seriously he's a slob, like, 6 month half eaten box of pizza under the bed and dirty underwear that hasn't been washed for weeks.

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Think of your brain like a car engine. The more stress you put it under, the more prone to failure it becomes.
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#20 LJS9502_basic
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You answered it yourself....people with various IQ's have the same disorder. Thus, no correlation. I'm not sure the point of this thread TBH.:|
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[QUOTE="BiancaDK"] It can also be as simple as a certain demographic being observed more intensily, creating a greater pile-up of data, giving a false impression that is only there because the rest of the statistical spectrum consists of black numbers

I like this idea...sort of For the most part (at least here with our Medical System setup) the rich are more likely than the poor to receive help...as a result, there is more data about the rich than the poor BUT That opens a whole other debate...does High IQ lead to/from wealth...or is there no correlation/causation b/w money (resources available to person and family) and what we measure as IQ (I believe there is...based on early childhood brain formation) Also, outliers are going to be studied more so than the norm...disorders and high intelligence will be studied more than your average "joe" -in reality, I doubt there is any way to come to consensus given the current limitations on data collection
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I've met hundreds of people with mental health problems and there seems to be no connection with intelligence.
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#23 KungfuKitten
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I do think there is a certain 'use it or lose it' influence.
But i also think we won't find out in this age, the missinformation age.
First we need to solve many other problems with our take on data, IQ, the human and with the objectivity of scientists.

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#24 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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nah, i don't think so
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#25 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I do think there is a certain 'use it or lose it' influence.

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you mean like social pressure?
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I'm aware that scientifically there is no proof for this assumption. But it seems to me that individuals with very high IQ's tend to suffer from mental disorders (ex. OCD, anxiety, manic-depressive disorder) at a higher rate than those of a more "normal intellect". I'm also aware that the lower end of the IQ spectrum suffers from this as well. Maybe it's a problem of the extremes at both ends? I have an uncle with an IQ of 163 (wow huh?) who suffers from manic-depressive disorder, hypochondria, and mild schizophrenia. I also have a variety of acquaintances who have genius level IQ's and almost consistenly suffer from either OCD or anxiety. Once again, I'm aware that there is no scientific proof for this. Has anyone else noticed this trend besides me?

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163? Wow, your uncle is the 13th smartest person in the world? Awesome. So is he the slightly smarter Stephen Hawking of the 160 IQ caliber, or the slightly dumber Bobby Fischer of the 167 caliber. I hope he's bobby, because I never liked the way Stephen looks at me. Would you be willing to send me an autograph of his(Unless he is Stephen, in which case you can keep it)? I would really appreciate. K bai.
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[QUOTE="KungfuKitten"]

I do think there is a certain 'use it or lose it' influence.

Jandurin
you mean like social pressure?

Social pressure? If You mean that certain mental abnormalities lead to them thinking a lot because of the social pressure then maybe. I mean that things You don't use, tend to disappear over time. Like my inability to swim while i do have two certificates for swimming and one for rescuing people in the water. And i believe people generally don't feel the need to use their IQ as much as they used to. (Partly because of TV, presumed incompetence by specialization, less responsibility due to bigger communities, and even education. You use the mind but not for solving things creatively. In most schools You use their way of thinking and their way of solving and doing things wrong is punished. But that is not something i expect people here to understand nor agree with.)
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#28 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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I prefer to use my brain to figure out how to entertain myself than solve problems or make myself rich or w/e.
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ive always thought that. ive suffered from borderline personality disorder, depression, and anxiety. when i started treatment, the first thing they did was issue an IQ test to see how well i could understand my disorders and my treatment and based on that, they would treat me on the level i needed. my doctor said something interesting that ill never forget, ' your IQ is fairly high, and its not uncommon to see intellectual people of your level to suffer from these issues.' and indeed, many people i surround myself with are pretty mentally not all together. my theory is that people of a higher IQ use different logical stratagies than the norm and due to this it can be difficult to blend in to society. i personally find it extremelly difficult to work with people because my problem solving skills are just completely different than those that i work with. i get annoyed, i get anxious, and then i get depressed. its an on going cycle. the same, ironically goes for the under developed mind. they use different logic, and because of this, they find it difficult to blend in as well. i think the importance of 'meshing' into your own society is one of the most important things we, as humans, feel we need to do and that ideology can go back into our 'tribal/animalistic days' when it was important to establish your place in the 'pack'. when you are one of 6% of the world, its difficult to find your place among the rest of the 94% and this, in my personal, non professional opinion, could be a huge reason we suffer like we do.