Is there any good to come out of nuclear weapons?

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#1 VensInferno
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"If WWIII was fought with Nuclear Weapons, WWIV shall be fought with sticks and stones"- My History Teacher

Should we just get rid of them , including our own? So we have the most nuclear weapons ( Do we?). It would cause more harm then done. We have enough nuclear weapons to destroy the earth 2 times. Its ironic, we want to rid the world of terror and violence, when we have the most terrifying weapon of all time ( Other then the DEATH STAR :P ) Many argue we need them to fight off anyone from using their own nuclear weapon. That is true. But what if they agree to the riddance of their own ?Can we agree with them? Can we or should we have riddance to nuclear weapons? I understand that countries will always have nuclear weapons , no matter if they agree . But lets just dicuss the main concept of this topic. Is there any benefit to nuclear weapons? I am shocked that there are some people who believe that nuclear weapons are good.

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#2 Kcube
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It powers cities.

It destroy's said cities.

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#3 sonofsmeagle
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Any sort of Nuclear weopon is bad, and owning nuclear weopons is terrible, but using them is disgusting and complete ignorance for the earth.

I say all nukes should be destroyed and no country alowed to own any on pain of invasion by the rest of the world :)

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#4 DroidPhysX
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No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

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#5 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

Any sort of Nuclear weopon is bad, and owning nuclear weopons is terrible, but using them is disgusting and complete ignorance for the earth.

I say all nukes should be destroyed and no country alowed to own any on pain of invasion by the rest of the world :)

And how do you do that?
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#6 Kcube
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[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

Any sort of Nuclear weopon is bad, and owning nuclear weopons is terrible, but using them is disgusting and complete ignorance for the earth.

I say all nukes should be destroyed and no country alowed to own any on pain of invasion by the rest of the world :)

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And how do you do that?

Launch them all

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#7 Saturos3091
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Nuclear power = good.

Nuclear weapons = not so good.

I don't really care if civilized countries have them to be honest. At this point it's a giant check-balance game anyway.

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#8 Grodus5
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They are a necessary political deterant, but they should never ever be used. Even if North Korea shot off a few I don't think we should use them back. Its a slippery slope. Besides, North Korea is small enough to glass with conventional weaponary :P

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#9 Dark__Link
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No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

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You're... not serious... are you...? Are you..??
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#10 AutoPilotOn
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

Everyone wants to not be dependent on oil and coal for power but yet doesnt want Nuclear power eigther. How you propose we get the power?
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#11 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

Any sort of Nuclear weopon is bad, and owning nuclear weopons is terrible, but using them is disgusting and complete ignorance for the earth.

I say all nukes should be destroyed and no country alowed to own any on pain of invasion by the rest of the world :)

Kcube

And how do you do that?

Launch them all

Doubt they have the thrust available to reach escape velocity... they'd just come back down and kill us all. Good solution.
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

Everyone wants to not be dependent on oil and coal for power but yet doesnt want Nuclear power eigther. How you propose we get the power?

Dump tons of research into Fusion. Seriously, it makes its own fuel!
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#13 StealthMonkey4
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Not really, but now that they exist we have to have them for self-defense (not really I guess since we'd still die, but they discourage countires from nukinh us if they know they'll go down too).

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#14 cybrcatter
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No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

DroidPhysX

I thought we rid ourselves of the nuclear-power phobia in the 90's.

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any nuclear war should avoided at all costs, if even one nation fires a nuke, life as we know it will never be the same

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#16 sonofsmeagle
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[QUOTE="Kcube"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"]

Any sort of Nuclear weopon is bad, and owning nuclear weopons is terrible, but using them is disgusting and complete ignorance for the earth.

I say all nukes should be destroyed and no country alowed to own any on pain of invasion by the rest of the world :)

And how do you do that?

Launch them all

yeh launch em all at Mars just to see what would happen lol, who knows we might somehow create a Nuclear winter on its surface and in 200 years it'll be liveable
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#17 Kcube
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[QUOTE="Kcube"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] And how do you do that?Dark__Link

Launch them all

Doubt they have the thrust available to reach escape velocity... they'd just come back down and kill us all. Good solution.

I never said launch them into space..We might as well destroy the s**** out of humankind just to make things change...for a few years anyways untill they discover the anti matter bomb.

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#18 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

Everyone wants to not be dependent on oil and coal for power but yet doesnt want Nuclear power eigther. How you propose we get the power?

And using Chernobyl as a reason to condemn nuclear power? Condemn the USSR, not the power source. With the exception of some hazardous waste products (which will be almost negligible when fusion becomes viable), there are no legitimate arguments against using nuclear power.
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#19 Kcube
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[QUOTE="Kcube"]

[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] And how do you do that?sonofsmeagle

Launch them all

yeh launch em all at Mars just to see what would happen lol, who knows we might somehow create a Nuclear winter on its surface and in 200 years it'll be liveable

Launch them at Europa..that ******* is just watching us I KNOW IT!

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#20 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="Kcube"]

Launch them all

Kcube

Doubt they have the thrust available to reach escape velocity... they'd just come back down and kill us all. Good solution.

I never said launch them into space..We might as well destroy the s**** out of humankind just to make things change...for a few years anyways untill they discover the anti matter bomb.

So... killing everyone WAS your solution. Nice..

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#21 sonofsmeagle
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

Everyone wants to not be dependent on oil and coal for power but yet doesnt want Nuclear power eigther. How you propose we get the power?

And using Chernobyl as a reason to condemn nuclear power? Condemn the USSR, not the power source. With the exception of some hazardous waste products (which will be almost negligible when fusion becomes viable), there are no legitimate arguments against using nuclear power.

except where are you going to dump all that nuclear waste lol?
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#22 Brutal_Elitegs
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I literally just watched the episode "Duck and Cover" of The West Wing. Not counting todays events, but now this thread. Bizarre coincidence.

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#23 coolbeans90
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I would posit that nations with nuclear weapons are quite unlikely to fight wars with each other.

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#24 Kcube
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[QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

Dark__Link

Everyone wants to not be dependent on oil and coal for power but yet doesnt want Nuclear power eigther. How you propose we get the power?

And using Chernobyl as a reason to condemn nuclear power? Condemn the USSR, not the power source. With the exception of some hazardous waste products (which will be almost negligible when fusion becomes viable), there are no legitimate arguments against using nuclear power.

Its great..somewhat as a power source.I want to beleive there is a better way though..like in Ironman 2 :)

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#25 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="AutoPilotOn"] Everyone wants to not be dependent on oil and coal for power but yet doesnt want Nuclear power eigther. How you propose we get the power?sonofsmeagle
And using Chernobyl as a reason to condemn nuclear power? Condemn the USSR, not the power source. With the exception of some hazardous waste products (which will be almost negligible when fusion becomes viable), there are no legitimate arguments against using nuclear power.

except where are you going to dump all that nuclear waste lol?

"Except"? Did you not read what I said? I mentioned that. :| There are storage facilities built into mountains in the US. It's less dangerous in there than the waste products of coal plants are in the atmosphere.
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[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"] And using Chernobyl as a reason to condemn nuclear power? Condemn the USSR, not the power source. With the exception of some hazardous waste products (which will be almost negligible when fusion becomes viable), there are no legitimate arguments against using nuclear power.Dark__Link
except where are you going to dump all that nuclear waste lol?

"Except"? Did you not read what I said? I mentioned that. :| There are storage facilities built into mountains in the US. It's less dangerous in there than the waste products of coal plants are in the atmosphere.

lol soz i read that completely wrong :)
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#27 coolbeans90
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I do find it entertaining how persistently frightened the general public is of nuclear power.

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#28 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="Dark__Link"][QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"] except where are you going to dump all that nuclear waste lol?sonofsmeagle
"Except"? Did you not read what I said? I mentioned that. :| There are storage facilities built into mountains in the US. It's less dangerous in there than the waste products of coal plants are in the atmosphere.

lol soz i read that completely wrong :)

Okay then sorry for the dick-ish response.
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[QUOTE="sonofsmeagle"][QUOTE="Dark__Link"] And using Chernobyl as a reason to condemn nuclear power? Condemn the USSR, not the power source. With the exception of some hazardous waste products (which will be almost negligible when fusion becomes viable), there are no legitimate arguments against using nuclear power.Dark__Link
except where are you going to dump all that nuclear waste lol?

"Except"? Did you not read what I said? I mentioned that. :| There are storage facilities built into mountains in the US. It's less dangerous in there than the waste products of coal plants are in the atmosphere.

not to mention finding new ways of reusing spent waste and/or making it break down quicker "The hope is that researchers can develop a method that extracts the usable portion of the spent fuel without isolating the plutonium. Left behind would be very poisonous nuclear waste, but waste that would degrade in tens of years instead of tens of thousands of years, making the need for very long-term storage less acute."
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#30 Dark__Link
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I do find it entertaining how persistently frightened the general public is of nuclear power.

coolbeans90

Yup... we should ban anything that improperly trained people can potentially kill others with.

First to go are lawn mowers.

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#31 dercoo
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Well 2 things

1. Ended WW2 quicker. Saved millions of lives over invading Japan, and there by aloud Japan to quickly recover into a economic super power.

2. No WW3 (and possible no major war between super powers). MAD is the ultimate anti-war plan. No country is stupid enough to take on another super/semi super nation as the end result is M.A.D. Everyone loses, so no one tries. I feel very confident in saying there would have been a WW3 if nuclear weapons didn't act as a deterrent. The cold war would have been the red war with the blood of millions of lives lost.

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Well 2 things

1. Ended WW2 quicker. Saved millions of lives over invading Japan, and there by aloud Japan to quickly recover into a economic super power.

2. No WW3 (and possible no major war between super powers). MAD is the ultimate anti-war plan. No country is stupid enough to take on another super/semi super nation as the end result is M.A.D. Everyone loses, so no one tries. I feel very confident in saying there would have been a WW3 if nuclear weapons didn't act as a deterrent. The cold war would have been the red war with the blood of millions of lives lost.

dercoo

I think the Cuban missile crisis showed that MAD is not infallible. Nuclear war may not have come out of that event, but we came pretty damn close.

Game Theory is perfect on paper, but the real world will always have more variables to throw at us than we can ever hope to account for.

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#33 stanleycup98
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I also don't understand the phobia of nuclear power. If people actually did their research, they would know that burning coal is actually significantly more dangerous than using nuclear power. People point out how many people Chernobyl killed, but when compared to the major coal plant accidents, the number of deaths is miniscule. Tens of thousands of people die each year due to coal burning, while I don't think there have been any deaths attributed to nuclear radiation from a power plant in some time.
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Well, they're just big words right now. They say they have them, so we say we have them so as to not be viewed as defenseless. So, the only real good that they're doing is keeping the world in a very delicate balance of there not being a nuclear war...
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#35 psychobrew
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Since they prevented WWIII, I'd say the outcome has been great so far. They are the reason the cold war wasn't burning hot.

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#36 sonofsmeagle
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Since they prevented WWIII, I'd say the outcome has been great so far. They are the reason the cold war wasn't burning hot.

psychobrew
their also sorta the reason the cold war went on for so long
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That quote wasn't from your history teacher.................and WWII is an example of good to come from nuclear weapons, THE END OF THAT WAR!
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#38 psychobrew
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[QUOTE="psychobrew"]

Since they prevented WWIII, I'd say the outcome has been great so far. They are the reason the cold war wasn't burning hot.

sonofsmeagle

their also sorta the reason the cold war went on for so long

Better a long cold war than a short (in relative terms) hot one.

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They make sure that powerful and wealthy developed nations don't get invaded by other powerful and wealthy developed nations.

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They make sure that powerful and wealthy developed nations don't get invaded by other powerful and wealthy developed nations.

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Yes - they might have made sure that there was no conventional war between the first and second world nations in the years following WW2 and up until today.
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A Good out come to a nuclear war is all of mankind being wiped out... This world would be a much better place with out us.
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flawless victory
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#44 BuryMe
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No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

DroidPhysX

Chernobyl was terrible, but many, many more people die in mining accidents.

Nuclear energy is one of the safest and cleanest forms of energy available

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#45 789shadow
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No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

DroidPhysX

Yes, literally the ONLY nuclear plant disaster with any serious damage. :roll:

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#46 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

789shadow

Yes, literally the ONLY nuclear plant disaster with any serious damage. :roll:

Serious is an understatement. It was catastrophic. The plutonium, if it gets out of the reactor, has the potential to kill 100 million people through the air. And its half life is hundreds of thousands of years. Essentially, eternity.

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#47 789shadow
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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

No.

Nuclear power/weapons in general is dangerous. Look at chernobyl.

DroidPhysX

Yes, literally the ONLY nuclear plant disaster with any serious damage. :roll:

Serious is an understatement. It was catastrophic. The plutonium, if it gets out of the reactor, has the potential to kill 100 million people through the air. And its half life is hundreds of thousands of years. Essentially, eternity.

Wut.

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#48 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Yes, literally the ONLY nuclear plant disaster with any serious damage. :roll:

789shadow

Serious is an understatement. It was catastrophic. The plutonium, if it gets out of the reactor, has the potential to kill 100 million people through the air. And its half life is hundreds of thousands of years. Essentially, eternity.

Wut.

Uhh, nuclear fallout = radioactive substances = plutonium = it goes airborne = deadly?

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[QUOTE="789shadow"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Serious is an understatement. It was catastrophic. The plutonium, if it gets out of the reactor, has the potential to kill 100 million people through the air. And its half life is hundreds of thousands of years. Essentially, eternity.

DroidPhysX

Wut.

Uhh, nuclear fallout = radioactive substances = plutonium = it goes airborne = deadly?

Yeah......only the nuclear material in power plants can't go airborne. :lol:

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#50 DroidPhysX
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="789shadow"]

Wut.

789shadow

Uhh, nuclear fallout = radioactive substances = plutonium = it goes airborne = deadly?

Yeah......only the nuclear material in power plants can't go airborne. :lol:

Skip to 7:55

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwWID6WjeEU&feature=related

Enjoy!