Is there any way you can force someone to receive medical treatment?

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#1 ConkerAndBerri2
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I have a fool of a brother who has a hernia because he coughed for years from smoking ciggarettes. He's 24 now and he's had the hernia since November I've been trying to convince him but I'm scared that it may be too late before my family and I can. Is there any way at all to force him to get the surgery for it? I'd rather not go into detail of what can happen if you let a hernia go..But it's called Twisted Bowel Syndrome...Thanks for any help you can offer.

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#3 Fundai
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Legally, no.

3 options:

1) Call the cops; taser him until he's unconsious. From there no, give him anesthesia. Thus, surgery,

2) Chloroform; then take him to the hospital.

3) Taser him yourself.


Good luck mate.

Ackad


Ilegally, yes.

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#5 lightleggy
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3 options:

1) Call the cops; taser him until he's unconsious. From there no, give him anesthesia. Thus, surgery,

2) Chloroform; then take him to the hospital.

3) Taser him yourself.


Good luck mate.

Ackad

actually this...even if it sounds like a joke, its a plausible option, if the guy is unconscious, a family member can order a surgery legally. the illegal part is getting him unconscious tho...and im sure that putting some sleeping pills in his coffee wouldnt count as "unconscious", for a person to receive medical treatment without the person consent, he/she must be out cold for quite some time (at least a month I think). If the guy is in critical state (i,e after being beaten up, stabbed, recently in a car crash) they give him the treatment inmediatly regardless of the time he'll be out.

also if the guy has a mental issue im sure he can be "forced" into surgery.

but the best option is talk to him seriously

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#6 Fundai
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[QUOTE="Fundai"]

Legally, no.

[QUOTE="Ackad"]

3 options:

1) Call the cops; taser him until he's unconsious. From there no, give him anesthesia. Thus, surgery,

2) Chloroform; then take him to the hospital.

3) Taser him yourself.


Good luck mate.

Ackad


Ilegally, yes.

In the end, he's saving his brother and that's all that matters.

But what if the cops (or him) go overboard on the taser? :o Or he uses to much chloroform? Then not only will his brother be dead, but he'll be in danger of going to jail. :P (On a serious note, just talk to him TC. Try to get him to atleast talk to a doctor)

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[QUOTE="Ackad"]

3 options:

1) Call the cops; taser him until he's unconsious. From there no, give him anesthesia. Thus, surgery,

2) Chloroform; then take him to the hospital.

3) Taser him yourself.


Good luck mate.

lightleggy

actually this. if the guy is unconscious, a family member can order a surgery legally. the illegal part is getting him unconscious tho... also if the guy has a mental issue im sure he can be "forced" into surgery.

take him to a bar and spike his drink i think

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#8 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

[QUOTE="Ackad"]

3 options:

1) Call the cops; taser him until he's unconsious. From there no, give him anesthesia. Thus, surgery,

2) Chloroform; then take him to the hospital.

3) Taser him yourself.


Good luck mate.

TheShadowLord07

actually this. if the guy is unconscious, a family member can order a surgery legally. the illegal part is getting him unconscious tho... also if the guy has a mental issue im sure he can be "forced" into surgery.

take him to a bar and spike his drink i think

nah that doesn't count, the guy's life must be in inmediate danger to receive a surgery without his consent. so take him to a bar, hire some guys to beat the living sh*t out of him, and then spike his drink. then he gets treatment.

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#9 ShadowsDemon
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Legally, no. But it's your call.
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#10 lightleggy
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Legally, no. But it's your call.ShadowsDemon
it is legal, but to make it reach the legal level, you would most likely need to do something illegal :P
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#11 Huffanddoback
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Does he know death will ultimatly be the result of an untreated hernia? Does he know that hewll die a pretty painful death from something so f'ing stupid that could have been fixed in 5 hours by a Dr and he would have been back on his feet in a few days? If he knows all this and still refuses to get it repaired then let him make his own choice, you guys did all you could. I would imagine that when that hernia starts to get bigger and the nagging pain gets more noticeable, he will change his tune and get it done

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#12 Philokalia
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Can't you do if you can prove they are not sane?

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Came here to say knock them unconscious. I see it has already been addressed.
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#14 lightleggy
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Came here to say knock them unconscious. I see it has already been addressed.foxhound_fox
Yeah but like I said, people get that one wrong. Getting him unconscious wont make the doctors operate him, they could lose their license for doing it...in order to "force" the treatment legally, his life must be in inmediate danger while he is unconscious.
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what's the deal, is he a Christian Scientist? or does he not want to get stuck in debt off the hospital bills?
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#16 lightleggy
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what's the deal, is he a Christian Scientist? or does he not want to get stuck in debt off the hospital bills?lamprey263
I dont see a relation between being a Christian Scientiest and refusing to get threatment.
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Legally, no. But it's your call.ShadowsDemon
Yes it can be done legally Can't remember the name of the contract though, but under certain circumstances you can get someone to make all your medical decisions for you
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#18 ZumaJones07
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it's your brother's decision in the end
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]what's the deal, is he a Christian Scientist? or does he not want to get stuck in debt off the hospital bills?lightleggy
I dont see a relation between being a Christian Scientiest and refusing to get threatment.

they don't see doctors or use medication, rather relying on their faith healing, I ask because it'd make sense for him to forgo treatment if it were religious purposes
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what's the deal, is he a Christian Scientist? or does he not want to get stuck in debt off the hospital bills?lamprey263
No he's not a religious person..he's just scared to get the surgery..

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="lamprey263"]what's the deal, is he a Christian Scientist? or does he not want to get stuck in debt off the hospital bills?lamprey263
I dont see a relation between being a Christian Scientiest and refusing to get threatment.

they don't see doctors or use medication, rather relying on their faith healing, I ask because it'd make sense for him to forgo treatment if it were religious purposes

I really doubt every single christian scientist thinks that way. Im Christian, and yes I believe God can heal thru faith and miracles, but so do I believe He can heal through doctors and medicines, everyone needs a purpose, so why cant it be that God sends a medic to heal a certain person? this is why I dont like the whole "I dont go to doctors because of my religion" thing.
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#22 ConkerAndBerri2
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[QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] I dont see a relation between being a Christian Scientiest and refusing to get threatment.lightleggy
they don't see doctors or use medication, rather relying on their faith healing, I ask because it'd make sense for him to forgo treatment if it were religious purposes

I really doubt every single christian scientist thinks that way. Im Christian, and yes I believe God can heal thru faith and miracles, but so do I believe He can heal through doctors and medicines, everyone needs a purpose, so why cant it be that God sends a medic to heal a certain person? this is why I dont like the whole "I dont go to doctors because of my religion" thing.

Funny how everything turns into religion on OT.

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[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"]Legally, no. But it's your call.lightleggy
it is legal, but to make it reach the legal level, you would most likely need to do something illegal :P

Such as tying him down? :P
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="lamprey263"][QUOTE="lightleggy"] I dont see a relation between being a Christian Scientiest and refusing to get threatment.

they don't see doctors or use medication, rather relying on their faith healing, I ask because it'd make sense for him to forgo treatment if it were religious purposes

I really doubt every single christian scientist thinks that way. Im Christian, and yes I believe God can heal thru faith and miracles, but so do I believe He can heal through doctors and medicines, everyone needs a purpose, so why cant it be that God sends a medic to heal a certain person? this is why I dont like the whole "I dont go to doctors because of my religion" thing.

Argue it with a Christian Scientist then, I only bring it up because their well known for avoiding traditional medicine in favor of their faith healing, it's a core principle in their beliefs that the power that Jesus used to heal people through miracles exists within everyone, and that there's a "science" to it. To me it sounds kind of New Age, but it's from the late 1800s. Read the Wikipedia entry, not trying to knock the religion or anything. From a theological prospective they're kind of interesting, like their beliefs of evil and sin are a materialistic illusion and reality being spiritual... though they can be seemingly less practical at times, like when it comes to their issue with medicine. You're right though, I'm sure not everyone subscribes to their faith 100%, but I am talking about a big part of their religion. And again I only bring it up because I wondered why someone who needs surgery would avoid it... but as TC stated, he's scared, that makes sense now.
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If you somehow frame your brother and get him sent to prison for a while they will most likely force medical care on him if they see he is in pain.

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I have a fool of a brother who has a hernia because he coughed for years from smoking ciggarettes. He's 24 now and he's had the hernia since November I've been trying to convince him but I'm scared that it may be too late before my family and I can. Is there any way at all to force him to get the surgery for it? I'd rather not go into detail of what can happen if you let a hernia go..But it's called Twisted Bowel Syndrome...Thanks for any help you can offer.

ConkerAndBerri2
Nope. I was a paramedic for 8 years, literally had to wait for some people to go unconscious or die before I could legally treat them, not matter how life threatening the condition was. After that you treat under "implied consent."
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You can't force him to do anything he doesn't want to do.

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#29 GazaAli
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hernia can occurs because of smoking? that is a first...
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#30 lightleggy
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hernia can occurs because of smoking? that is a first...GazaAli
he said it was from coughing a lot FROM smoking.