Is this stealing?

Well that didn't make sense.GazaAli

why are cuban cigars illegal in the US!?play_thegame

If you take something away from someone else without permission it is stealing. Any moral problems you do or don't have with that are strictly your own.

so you buy the cigars an don't pay because they are illegal , is that what you wanted to say ? that's double bad man , just make it monobad and pay to the poor guy because if you don't that is stealing even if it is illegal for him to sell themMAZ85

If you take something away from someone else without permission it is stealing. Any moral problems you do or don't have with that are strictly your own.

guynamedbilly

If you take something away from someone else without permission it is stealing. Any moral problems you do or don't have with that are strictly your own.

guynamedbilly

i agree with this.

Someone want to straighten me out, because I'm having trouble seeing it as stealing if I am prohibited from paying. And even if it would be considered stealing, I certainly don't see the blame on the side of the willing consumer. MirkoS77

how about; your reasoning would allow me to take my neighbors car for free because he didn't put it up for sale..? or, i can break into a store after closing time because they should have been opened so i can get my groceries and pay them..?

[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]

If you take something away from someone else without permission it is stealing. Any moral problems you do or don't have with that are strictly your own.

BLKR4330

i agree with this.

Someone want to straighten me out, because I'm having trouble seeing it as stealing if I am prohibited from paying. And even if it would be considered stealing, I certainly don't see the blame on the side of the willing consumer. MirkoS77

how about; your reasoning would allow me to take my neighbors car for free because he didn't put it up for sale..? or, i can break into a store after closing time because they should have been opened so i can get my groceries and pay them..?

[QUOTE="MAZ85"]so you buy the cigars an don't pay because they are illegal , is that what you wanted to say ? that's double bad man , just make it monobad and pay to the poor guy because if you don't that is stealing even if it is illegal for him to sell themMirkoS77

So are you asking if it is still stealing if you steal a product that is illegal?

If this is what you're asking...

So are you asking if it is still stealing if you steal a product that is illegal?

sonicare

...then yeah. Whoever you're steal your Cuban from, they're still out of it without any compensation. Now, if you want to look at things from a practical perspective, you might consider that stealing something illegal has the advantage of the victim not being able to go to the police. That's why the mob exists.

If this is what you're asking...

[QUOTE="sonicare"]

So are you asking if it is still stealing if you steal a product that is illegal?

Palantas

...then yeah. Whoever you're steal your Cuban from, they're still out of it without any compensation. Now, if you want to look at things from a practical perspective, you might consider that stealing something illegal has the advantage of the victim not being able to go to the police. That's why the mob exists.

So if I was wiretapping illegally and the mob finds out about it they could exploit me?ehhwhatever

Like, if you personally were wiretapping something for some reason? I suppose anyone who found out about it could try to blackmail you. I'm not following how this relates to what I said.

so you seek black market goods but feel somehow the goods are now righted to you just because they are not allowed in the open market? by that logic, i cannot own slaves, therefor i can just take the lives of others because it is not socially acceptable for me to own slaves. and all i did was make the illegal property human.

I think you guys don't understand his question properly.

I'll give another example.

If Nintendo of America didn't localize a certain game in the US, but if they did the TC would 100% buy it. Would it be considered stealing if he got the game by other "means"

take what you want. paying for something is merely a formality. UniverseIX

I think you guys don't understand his question properly.

I'll give another example.

If Nintendo of America didn't ocalize a certain game, but if they did the TC would 100% buy it. Would it be considered stealing if he got the game by other "means"

alexh_99

It's not stealing if you have no other option. But hey, I'm not the right one to give advice seeing as I stream tv shows and movies, not a torrent, just a stream.

It's not stealing if you have no other option.

Sunfyre7896

why are cuban cigars illegal in the US!?play_thegame

I think you guys don't understand his question properly.

I'll give another example.

If Nintendo of America didn't localize a certain game in the US, but if they did the TC would 100% buy it. Would it be considered stealing if he got the game by other "means"

alexh_99

[QUOTE="alexh_99"]

I think you guys don't understand his question properly.

I'll give another example.

If Nintendo of America didn't localize a certain game in the US, but if they did the TC would 100% buy it. Would it be considered stealing if he got the game by other "means"

cd_rom

But they are impeding my ability to compensate. I see fault laying somewhat on their side. I suppose I can't resonably claim it as morally acceptable, but I don't see it on the same level as stealing. It's like if I'm trying to save some lady from a burning building, but someone keeps me from going in and she dies, where does the responsibility for her death lie?

And no, you're not "going against the rights and priveledges of the property owner", you're going against the limitations of whoever is stopping you from paying. I'm sure the owner would be more than happy to sell you his wares, that's why they are there for.

not right. Stealing is still stealing, even if theres no other way to get it.

why are cuban cigars illegal in the US!?play_thegame

Because the United States placed a trade embargo on Cuba during the 1960's over the whole Cuban Missile Crisis and for being a Communist country. It is time to lift the ban however people still defend it on the grounds that Cuba is Communist. :| Doesn't make any sense to me. :|

[QUOTE="cd_rom"][QUOTE="alexh_99"]

I think you guys don't understand his question properly.

I'll give another example.

If Nintendo of America didn't localize a certain game in the US, but if they did the TC would 100% buy it. Would it be considered stealing if he got the game by other "means"

MirkoS77

But they are impeding my ability to compensate. I see fault laying somewhat on their side. I suppose I can't resonably claim it as morally acceptable, but I don't see it on the same level as stealing. It's like if I'm trying to save some lady from a burning building, but someone keeps me from going in and she dies, where does the responsibility for her death lie?

And no, you're not "going against the rights and priveledges of the property owner", you're going against the limitations of whoever is stopping you from paying. I'm sure the owner would be more than happy to sell you his wares, that's why they are there for.

I think you guys don't understand his question properly.

I'll give another example.

If Nintendo of America didn't localize a certain game in the US, but if they did the TC would 100% buy it. Would it be considered stealing if he got the game by other "means"

alexh_99

So are you asking if it is still stealing if you steal a product that is illegal?

sonicare

why are cuban cigars illegal in the US!?play_thegame

If someone won't give you something but you take it anyways, that is stealing. What you're saying is difficult to understand. You want something that's illegal. How exactly would you attain it without paying for it? If they didn't give it to you for free, allowing you to have it, then it's stealing. Ghost_702

[QUOTE="Ghost_702"]If someone won't give you something but you take it anyways, that is stealing. What you're saying is difficult to understand. You want something that's illegal. How exactly would you attain it without paying for it? If they didn't give it to you for free, allowing you to have it, then it's stealing. MirkoS77

Sure, you can turn it however but in the end if you don't pay up for it stealing is stealing. Whether or not you can legally own it, if you take it thats technically stealing. Whether or not their keeping you from business, since they don't have to benefit your business right?

[QUOTE="Ghost_702"]If someone won't give you something but you take it anyways, that is stealing. What you're saying is difficult to understand. You want something that's illegal. How exactly would you attain it without paying for it? If they didn't give it to you for free, allowing you to have it, then it's stealing. MirkoS77

[QUOTE="MirkoS77"][QUOTE="Ghost_702"]If someone won't give you something but you take it anyways, that is stealing. What you're saying is difficult to understand. You want something that's illegal. How exactly would you attain it without paying for it? If they didn't give it to you for free, allowing you to have it, then it's stealing. dagreenfish

Yes I suppose it would be. I was wondering though: do you think buying something off of the black market is as bad as stealing? God knows how the goods were acquired, yet I am still paying for them, and the producer may not be seeing any money. Would you hold the same position towards it that you do towards your scenario?

[QUOTE="dagreenfish"][QUOTE="MirkoS77"]But is it as bad as stealing....#1: if I have the money and am willing to pay, and #2: I'm not allowed to. I'm not trying to say it's not wrong, but is it as bad? Why does some of the blame not reside in those that are preventing me from doing business?MirkoS77

Yes I suppose it would be. I was wondering though: do you think buying something off of the black market is as bad as stealing? God knows how the goods were acquired, yet I am still paying for them, and the producer may not be seeing any money. Would you hold the same position towards it that you do towards your scenario?