Is US military invincible ?

Can any other country become superior or even come close to US military? can any other country able to defeat US in war ever? seems US military is invincible as it spends billions of tax payers dollars on advanced military technology and training.

Whats your opinion OT?

Apparently, after 50 years, guerrilla warfare still seems to confuse the shit out of them.

yeah, they just shoot nukes at us. 

No. To assume we're more powerful is dangerous and detrimental to ourselves and more importantly our military. Vietnam and Iraq are a perfect examples of improper planning and arrogance.

Apparently, after 50 years, guerrilla warfare still seems to confuse the shit out of them.

LordQuorthon

There's no country in the world that can conquer the U.S. without nuking so much of it as to make conquering it pointless, and without conquering the U.S. the U.S. military cannot be destroyed, so it might as well be invincible.

And also, no person or country or military is invincible. BMD004

Well to be honest, the US Navy has no equal in any shape or form - if all the navies of the world combined I have a hard time seeing them sink more than 5 important US ships. The US Air Force is pretty close as well, only a few European countries and Russia have airplanes that are capable of matching F-15s, F-16s and F-22s, while no navy has navy aircraft capable of matching the F-18s.

Ground wise is where they would probably have the most problems because most of Europe, Russia and China could match the US in technology, while having way more troops. The biggest pro the US would have here is combat experience and being a unified force, while any opposing force would probably be an alliance of various nations.

Simply put, in case of a word-wide US vs everyone fight (barring nukes), the US would almost certainly be unbeatable because any invasion of the US would be impossible thanks to the US Navies overwhelming superiority, and if by some miracle an invasion would take place it would be cut apart in days. But they of course would have no hope of taking overseas territories because they would spread themselves too thin too fast. But I would see a wordwide scotched earth policiy with the US Navy conducting constant raids and any cities close to shore would undoubtably come under heavy attack and any form of naval trade would probably be shut down. 

i think the US will end up like rome to streached out and no way to keep up with all the costs of its army. If ww3 happens the us would run out of money due to have extreamly expensive its weapons are. they spend over 1 billion bucks on one plane!

i think the US will end up like rome to streached out and no way to keep up with all the costs of its army. If ww3 happens the us would run out of money due to have extreamly expensive its weapons are. they spend over 1 billion bucks on one plane!

osirisx3

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i think the US will end up like rome to streached out and no way to keep up with all the costs of its army. If ww3 happens the us would run out of money due to have extreamly expensive its weapons are. they spend over 1 billion bucks on one plane!

chaplainDMK

non sences its an old out of date plane now.

Vietnam, Bay of Pigs (Cuba) and Iraq/Afghanistan(and whatever the f*ck) says no. And the US has never gone to war against tough opposition (other well developed armies, the countries I listed above are all "third world"). The last time they went to war with a real competitor was Japan.Nengo_Flow

Their intelligence agency also seems to be dumb as a sack of bricks when it comes to other cultures. Since 2011, whenever they try to go against some mildly annoying regime, the "freedom fighters" they support turn out to be the very same "evil" they were supposed to be fighting against in the first place. 

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i think the US will end up like rome to streached out and no way to keep up with all the costs of its army. If ww3 happens the us would run out of money due to have extreamly expensive its weapons are. they spend over 1 billion bucks on one plane!

osirisx3

non sences its an old out of date plane now.

[QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]Vietnam, Bay of Pigs (Cuba) and Iraq/Afghanistan(and whatever the f*ck) says no. And the US has never gone to war against tough opposition (other well developed armies, the countries I listed above are all "third world"). The last time they went to war with a real competitor was Japan.Fightingfan

"Thank you for the Bay of Pigs. It cemented support for our revolution here." - Che Guevara to John F. Kennedy

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="Nengo_Flow"]Vietnam, Bay of Pigs (Cuba) and Iraq/Afghanistan(and whatever the f*ck) says no. And the US has never gone to war against tough opposition (other well developed armies, the countries I listed above are all "third world"). The last time they went to war with a real competitor was Japan.tagyhag

His point wasn't entirely wrong. While Cuban forces didn't directly face the US military they did stop US encroachment into their country. And the whole ordeal was a colossal embarrassment for the US.

In the literal sense, no, of course not.  No thing is invincible, as far as we know (i think lol).

In recent history, for most practical purposes, the US military has been successful.  If you look at the "scoreboard", the US generally leaves the enemy devastated, has excellent strategy, good training, and weapons and tech.

Politically, it is a mixed bag.  One could argue that the purpose of war is to achieve political aims when diplomacy fails, but the topic here is if the US military is invincible.

I'd argue that, relative to the rest of the world, and more specifically relative to the US's current enemies, the US might as well be invincible.

His point wasn't entirely wrong. While Cuban forces didn't directly face the US military they did stop US encroachment into their country. And the whole ordeal was a colossal embarrassment for the US.

worlock77

Agreed, I just don't want it to seem like Cuba was an small little underdog in the invasion. :P

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His point wasn't entirely wrong. While Cuban forces didn't directly face the US military they did stop US encroachment into their country. And the whole ordeal was a colossal embarrassment for the US.

tagyhag

Agreed, I just don't want it to seem like Cuba was an small little underdog in the invasion. :P

Well a few years prior to that Castro's rag-tag group of rebels that never numbered more than a couple hundred at any given time did manage to defeat the 40,000+ army of a US supported regime. :P

There's no country in the world that can conquer the U.S. without nuking so much of it as to make conquering it pointless, and without conquering the U.S. the U.S. military cannot be destroyed, so it might as well be invincible.

Barbariser

That's what I was going to say.  It isn't nearly invincible, but on the mainland it might as well be

No nation is invincible, and just like people, there is a lifespan to one. The United States is by far the most powerful and influential force in the world however. Our Navy alone is larger than the next eleven largest navies combined. Fighting in a foreign land is difficult for obvious reasons, but I sincerely doubt the ability for another country or alliance of countries to be able to conquer us on our land. Especially with the millions of registered and unregistered firearms owned by civillians. My one friend has enough guns in his basement to arm an entire militiia, and that's just from one guy.

The Taliban did a good job of resisting it for the past 10 years.

No. To assume we're more powerful is dangerous and detrimental to ourselves and more importantly our military. Vietnam and Iraq are a perfect examples of improper planning and arrogance.

leviathan91

I think this sums it up pretty well.  No army is invincible.  Everyone has a weakness.  

I agree with the person who said no military is invincible. The US armed forces is no exception. But, as far as being the most capable in areas such as power projection? Sure. But, invincible? Nope. There's no such thing as an invincible military.

not invincible of course but the u.s. knows how to wage war, there is no doubt about that.

and i'm not saying that as some dumb patriotic usa chant bullshyt but as a simple statement of the fact.

The Taliban did a good job of resisting it for the past 10 years.

Wasdie

i personally would say the taliban was the best thing that ever happened to the military if you look at where military spending was going in  the late 20th century and where it went after that.

the u.s. military needs to send those guys a thank you note.

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The Taliban did a good job of resisting it for the past 10 years.

Riverwolf007

i personally would say the taliban was the best thing that ever happened to the military if you look at where military spending was going in  the late 20th century and where it went after that.

the u.s. military needs to send those guys a thank you note.

Pretty much have to agree with you. If we took our current military and paired it with the zeal we had in 2001 the Taliban would be destroyed. However while our military is now more deadly than ever, we're just pulling out and saying "screw it".

Our military is actually really scary right now for any force. It's insane.

I'd like to see them fight Godzilla!

i think the US will end up like rome to streached out and no way to keep up with all the costs of its army. If ww3 happens the us would run out of money due to have extreamly expensive its weapons are. they spend over 1 billion bucks on one plane!

osirisx3

The f-35 which has been given a baseline budget of 1 trillion

They still can't fly it. There are problems with internal lighting, and get this, oxygen flow is so poor, it's made test pilots pass out in flight.

Expensive always = better! .. right?

No military is invincible, but we have the most powerful one the world has ever known. Armed to the teeth just like we ought to be. Hell even our regular civilians are armed, or at least the intelligent ones are.

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i think the US will end up like rome to streached out and no way to keep up with all the costs of its army. If ww3 happens the us would run out of money due to have extreamly expensive its weapons are. they spend over 1 billion bucks on one plane!

Jimn_tonic

The f-35 which has been given a baseline budget of 1 trillion

They still can't fly it. There are problems with internal lighting, and get this, oxygen flow is so poor, it's made test pilots pass out in flight.

Expensive always = better! .. right?

not much sense at all in having to have life support in a fighter these days.

the pilot is the weakest system in a modern fighter jet by a mile and fighters could be half the size and one quarter the expense.

No nation is invincible, and just like people, there is a lifespan to one. The United States is by far the most powerful and influential force in the world however. Our Navy alone is larger than the next eleven largest navies combined. Fighting in a foreign land is difficult for obvious reasons, but I sincerely doubt the ability for another country or alliance of countries to be able to conquer us on our land. Especially with the millions of registered and unregistered firearms owned by civillians. My one friend has enough guns in his basement to arm an entire militiia, and that's just from one guy.

brickdoctor

It should be noted that just because someone owns a gun does not mean they can effectivly use one. I've seen plenty of gun owners who were more likely to shoot themselves in the testicles than to hit the broad side of a barn.

not until the Khilafa is back.

not invincible of course but the u.s. knows how to wage war, there is no doubt about that.

and i'm not saying that as some dumb patriotic usa chant bullshyt but as a simple statement of the fact.

Riverwolf007

I don't know about that. Yeah, we could probably win any conventional war we enter to, but as Vietnam and Afghanistan have shown we have difficulty adjusting unconventional warfare. And unconventional warfare is the reality of the world now. The age of conventional wars fought between nations using large standing armies is over. So maintaining the largest military the world has ever seen really isn't doing us a lot of good anymore.

The problem with the Taliban cant be solved by the military. If we were to unleash the full potential of the US military on the Taliban we would demolish them with ease. The problem with that is, you have to enter Pakistan....who has nukes. Sending in 60-80,000 US troops acting as a police force isn't representitive of the full power of the US military. 

Nothing is invincible, but since the US and its allies combined can utterly annihilate everyone, we're remotely close. Though, considering how utterly horrible our hand-to-hand combat stuff is, I can't help but wonder if there are other gaping holes in our training...

But, anyway, we're pretty tough. 

Apparently, after 50 years, guerrilla warfare still seems to confuse the shit out of them.

LordQuorthon

In wars, America has been culturally outclassed, but makes up for it with technological superiority. Apart from that like some guy at the top said, guerilla warfighters have kicked americas arse in various theaters, but that will always happen in occupation based strategies where the weapon of choice is deception.

IMO the whole invincibility thing you percieve is the biggest weakness you can have.

In a traditional war, the US military would be very difficult to beat. It took the US and their allies three days to beat Iraq in a ground war during Desert Storm and it took three weeks to overthrow Baghdad in 2003. However, for the past twelve years we have been fighting insurgencies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Insurgencies are tough to beat because they don't wear uniforms and have no problem blending in with the locals or even using them as human shields.

 

If we had an objective to take in Afghanistan the Taliban wouldn't stand a chance. However, since we are just there on defense while trying to get Afghan forces to pull their heads out of their asses things aren't going according to plan.

 

Also, civilians with no military vexperience take that as a sign we are weak since they don't know the difference between a traditional war and a insurgency. Some people in the US actually thought for a while that we are fighting against the Afghan Army in Afghanistan (no, I'm not talking about the insider attacks).ad1x2

That is a weakness which your enemy has exploited. That is war.