Jews goes berserk over King David statue

So apparently in Judaism depictions of persons is FORBIDDEN in ANY form. What happens when you put up a statue of King David in the middle of Jerusalem? Of course the Jews goes mad and destroys parts of the statue!!! As you can see King Dave is missing his magnificent schnozzle!! Apperantly it doesn't count as a person anymore with out the honker. Crazy Jews!

At least we know what Voldemort looks like with long hair and facial hair.

They should put up a statue of Muhammad to draw attention away from it.

I am Jewish and I did not know this.....maybe only the Orthodox Jews have a problem with such stuff. But I don't like them much to begin with. We may be brothers of the same tribe, so we have to respect each other. But we certainly don't agree on much.

Nothing compared to the radical Muslims though, those guys are killing people.

are there large mobs storming embassies? Jebus213

Are you Muslim? the creator of this thread?seahorse123

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]are there large mobs storming embassies? themajormayor

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[QUOTE="seahorse123"]Are you Muslim? the creator of this thread?themajormayor

I am Jewish and I did not know this.....maybe only the Orthodox Jews have a problem with such stuff. But I don't like them much to begin with. We may be brothers of the same tribe, so we have to respect each other. But we certainly don't agree on much.

Nothing compared to the radical Muslims though, those guys are killing people.

ShadowMoses900

How can you berate them for following the first commandment, which expressly forbids making graven images of anything in the heavens, on earth, and underneath the earth? They are following the commandments and you aren't.

[QUOTE="themajormayor"][QUOTE="seahorse123"]Are you Muslim? the creator of this thread?seahorse123

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I am Jewish and I did not know this.....maybe only the Orthodox Jews have a problem with such stuff. But I don't like them much to begin with. We may be brothers of the same tribe, so we have to respect each other. But we certainly don't agree on much.

Nothing compared to the radical Muslims though, those guys are killing people.

BluRayHiDef

How can you berate them for following the first commandment, which expressly forbids making graven images of anything in the heavens, on earth, and underneath the earth? They are following the commandments and you aren't.

Silly Jews, only inferior cultures practice iconoclasm.

[spoiler] sarcasm, no anti-semitism [/spoiler]

Christians practiced iconoclasm at one point as well, btw.

ok

Some Jews haven't read the torah it seems. Iconoclasts are like that.

My king has no nose!

Then how does he smell?

Awful.

Christians practiced iconoclasm at one point as well, btw.

theone86

Only during a specific reign of some specific emperors and during the protestant reformation. Most Christians are Iconodules.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

Christians practiced iconoclasm at one point as well, btw.

Philokalia

Only during a specific reign of some specific emperors and during the protestant reformation. Most Christians are Iconodules.

And the iconoclast imperative in Islam is dubious as well. It's nowhere in the Koran, it's in supplemental texts whose relevance are called into diffferent degrees of question. The only reason it gets so much attention is because a few traditionalist figures in positions of authority within Islam decided to push iconoclasm as a pertinent issue, just like a few traditionalist figures in positions of authority pushed it for Christianity. Whether it's Christian, Judeo, or Islamic iconoclasm it's all dogma meant to solidify an agenda, but each religion has perpetuated such dogmas to varying degrees.

Ruining a work of art is not ok in my book.juden41

Not as bad as doing this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diego_de_landa

And the iconoclast imperative in Islam is dubious as well. It's nowhere in the Koran, it's in supplemental texts whose relevance are called into diffferent degrees of question. The only reason it gets so much attention is because a few traditionalist figures in positions of authority within Islam decided to push iconoclasm as a pertinent issue, just like a few traditionalist figures in positions of authority pushed it for Christianity. Whether it's Christian, Judeo, or Islamic iconoclasm it's all dogma meant to solidify an agenda, but each religion has perpetuated such dogmas to varying degrees.

theone86

The traditional Christian viewpoint is actually that of the iconodules. The Iconoclasts in the ancient church had control and power for a short time when compared to the iconodules after Nicea 2. Only then during the reformation did iconoclasm spark again with private readings of scripture. They should have read more John Damascus.

[QUOTE="theone86"]

And the iconoclast imperative in Islam is dubious as well. It's nowhere in the Koran, it's in supplemental texts whose relevance are called into diffferent degrees of question. The only reason it gets so much attention is because a few traditionalist figures in positions of authority within Islam decided to push iconoclasm as a pertinent issue, just like a few traditionalist figures in positions of authority pushed it for Christianity. Whether it's Christian, Judeo, or Islamic iconoclasm it's all dogma meant to solidify an agenda, but each religion has perpetuated such dogmas to varying degrees.

Philokalia

The traditional Christian viewpoint is actually that of the iconodules. The Iconoclasts in the ancient church had control and power for a short time when compared to the iconodules after Nicea 2. Only then during the reformation did iconoclasm spark again with private readings of scripture. They should have read more John Damascus.

It's no different for Judaism or Islam.

Too many thin skinned people out there.

Too many thin skinned people out there.

sonicare

It's no different for Judaism or Islam.

theone86

I agree the iconoclasts were just as Iconoclastic and savage as the muslims and some jews.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I am Jewish and I did not know this.....maybe only the Orthodox Jews have a problem with such stuff. But I don't like them much to begin with. We may be brothers of the same tribe, so we have to respect each other. But we certainly don't agree on much.

Nothing compared to the radical Muslims though, those guys are killing people.

BluRayHiDef

How can you berate them for following the first commandment, which expressly forbids making graven images of anything in the heavens, on earth, and underneath the earth? They are following the commandments and you aren't.

It is only forbidden to make an image or idol of God. It says nothing about doing it of Israelite kings like King David (which btw that statue is probably did not look anything like him. He was not European).

But even if someone did (and people do it all the time) I would not care because they are allowed freedom of speech to show what they want. We have to be tolerant to others. And God forbids murdering people, even in the case of images or idols, so they are not following what God wants.

Always a shame to see something that someone had to work so hard to make ruined for such petty reasons.Ace6301

who in the world put a statue of King David in the middle of Jerusalem?

I personally do not mind the statue being there , but its asking for trouble.

its actually very similar to what happened to that cremetorium a few years ago.

[QUOTE="BluRayHiDef"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I am Jewish and I did not know this.....maybe only the Orthodox Jews have a problem with such stuff. But I don't like them much to begin with. We may be brothers of the same tribe, so we have to respect each other. But we certainly don't agree on much.

Nothing compared to the radical Muslims though, those guys are killing people.

ShadowMoses900

How can you berate them for following the first commandment, which expressly forbids making graven images of anything in the heavens, on earth, and underneath the earth? They are following the commandments and you aren't.

It is only forbidden to make an image or idol of God. It says nothing about doing it of Israelite kings like King David (which btw that statue is probably did not look anything like him. He was not European).

But even if someone did (and people do it all the time) I would not care because they are allowed freedom of speech to show what they want. We have to be tolerant to others. And God forbids murdering people, even in the case of images or idols, so they are not following what God wants.

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Aljosa23

My thoughts exactly.

who in the world put a statue of King David in the middle of Jerusalem?

I personally do not mind the statue being there , but its asking for trouble.

its actually very similar to what happened to that cremetorium a few years ago.

Darkman2007

lol what?...

[QUOTE="Darkman2007"]

who in the world put a statue of King David in the middle of Jerusalem?

I personally do not mind the statue being there , but its asking for trouble.

its actually very similar to what happened to that cremetorium a few years ago.

SaudiFury

lol what?...

For those of you who have no idea what is being debated here regarding the use of images, here is a link to an old abandoned blog post featuring a paper I wrote a few years ago about the history and theology of images from a Protestant perspective.

Also of relevance:

For those of you who have no idea what is being debated here regarding the use of images, here is a link to an old abandoned blog post featuring a paper I wrote a few years ago about the history and theology of images from a Protestant perspective.

Also of relevance:

mindstorm

That link just leads back to this page and that comic is missing a punch line.

......that's it?

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

For those of you who have no idea what is being debated here regarding the use of images, here is a link to an old abandoned blog post featuring a paper I wrote a few years ago about the history and theology of images from a Protestant perspective.

Also of relevance:

toast_burner

That link just leads back to this page and that comic is missing a punch line.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"]

For those of you who have no idea what is being debated here regarding the use of images, here is a link to an old abandoned blog post featuring a paper I wrote a few years ago about the history and theology of images from a Protestant perspective.

Also of relevance:

mindstorm

That link just leads back to this page and that comic is missing a punch line.

I understand that it's about how you can show pictures of Jesus and nobody cares but if you have a picture of Muhammadeverybody gets pissed of. But they should have had Jesus injecting some smack or off his head on coke, comedy is supposed to be exaggerated.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

That link just leads back to this page and that comic is missing a punch line.

toast_burner

I understand that it's about how you can show pictures of Jesus and nobody cares but if you have a picture of Muhammadeverybody gets pissed of. But they should have had Jesus injecting some smack or off his head on coke, comedy is supposed to be exaggerated.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"]

[QUOTE="mindstorm"] I think I fixed the link. As for the punch line, it's more or less assumed that the reader can figure it out based upon recent events regarding comics featuring prophets of other religions.mindstorm

I understand that it's about how you can show pictures of Jesus and nobody cares but if you have a picture of Muhammadeverybody gets pissed of. But they should have had Jesus injecting some smack or off his head on coke, comedy is supposed to be exaggerated.

Well I'm not seeing how it's funny.

[QUOTE="mindstorm"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]

I understand that it's about how you can show pictures of Jesus and nobody cares but if you have a picture of Muhammadeverybody gets pissed of. But they should have had Jesus injecting some smack or off his head on coke, comedy is supposed to be exaggerated.

toast_burner

Well I'm not seeing how it's funny.

We differ in our preferred type of humor? I personally am a dry wit kind of guy who is always joking and laughing when everyone thinks I'm serious.

mindstorm

Sure you are.

I like subtlety. mindstorm

Is that what it's called?