Jihad! A Misunderstood Concept.

Jihad has a literal meaning that is a struggle. In islam this struggle should be for a noble and good cause Eg: our parents struggling for our good upbringment. Another example is that of a person exercising self-control by restraining himself from sins thus struggling in the cause of obeying Allah. As far as the jihad part concerned with fighting: THAT IS TO FIGHT WITH THE ENEMIES OF ISLAM WHO ARE THREATNING TO ELIMINATE ISLAM THUS STRUGGLING IN THE CAUSE OF SAVING GOD'S RELIGION.The terrorist attacks which show that muslims are behind them well about them : THIS IS NOT JIHAD. For innocent people are killed, Families are destroyed, PEOPLE LOSE THEIR LOVED ONES. Islam promotes peace and harmony and equality of all. It is in Quran:"Let there be no compulsion in religion". Muslims are allowed to resist only Islam is threatened. For instance a rebellion against a tyrant who doesnot allow muslims to perform their religious obligations!

Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.monco59

Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.monco59

exactly

but i think he was insulting the terrorists for using the concept of Jihad improperly

[QUOTE="monco59"]Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.1_Blood

but its what the terrorists exploit

the terrorists arent true muslims 

Exclamation marks! Not always appropriate.

I pointed out to my religion teacher before that jihad means struggle, and he told me i was wrong.. i just looked at his weird, cuz he's stupid. He looks at watches online during class:roll:bluezy

do you go to a catholic school?

because that would explain it 

I pointed out to my religion teacher before that jihad means struggle, and he told me i was wrong.. i just looked at his weird, cuz he's stupid. He looks at watches online during class:roll:bluezy

[QUOTE="bluezy"]I pointed out to my religion teacher before that jihad means struggle, and he told me i was wrong.. i just looked at his weird, cuz he's stupid. He looks at watches online during class:roll:nsj0806

do you go to a catholic school?

because that would explain it 

Hyporcritical to ask for understanding of one religion while putting down another.

Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?jfkunrendered

Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?jfkunrendered

Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?jfkunrendered

If you conisder "they" as entire muslim community well, your wrong. God knows why they did that it can be because of anything plitical achievement etc. . It's just that they gave it religious colour by calling it jihad. As far as killing of jews and christians: Do you honestly think that a religion would order this and would still get converts from round the globe? Once again Islam promotes peace. What "they" are doing is not Jihad! 

Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?jfkunrendered

If you conisder "they" as entire muslim community well, your wrong. God knows why they did that it can be because of anything plitical achievement etc. . It's just that they gave it religious colour by calling it jihad. As far as killing of jews and christians: Do you honestly think that a religion would order this and would still get converts from round the globe? Once again Islam promotes peace. What "they" are doing is not Jihad! 

Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Puiumami

Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Puiumami

Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Puiumami

ALL HAIL HER INVISIBLE PINKNESS! 

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?MFaraz_Hayat

If you conisder "they" as entire muslim community well, your wrong. God knows why they did that it can be because of anything plitical achievement etc. . It's just that they gave it religious colour by calling it jihad. As far as killing of jews and christians: Do you honestly think that a religion would order this and would still get converts from round the globe? Once again Islam promotes peace. What "they" are doing is not Jihad! 

Yes, you can brainwash people into anything and convince women they are better of treated like trash in a religion rather than human beings. Yea, you're right. A minority of the Muslim population commits terrorist acts but a LARGE amount of people support it and never condone it. The only ones who have condone it are the ones who have thankfully converted from it and spoken the truth in thier own respective countries to then be threatened with violence. In the UK, the so called bringers of peace within Islam in of the most infamous Mosques was uncovered to be a haven for hate. Reporters went undercover as Muslim men and realized that these same moderate men were preaching the hate of Kaffirs-Christians and Jews and that Jews were pigs while presenting a smile to the public that everything was chip, chip charoo. So, getting imprisoned in Pakistan for not following Islam is a method of peace? In Saudi Arabia, having global papers proclaiming Jews are poisoning melons with aids? What about the bombings of Churches and the rapings of nuns along with large populations crying out hateful messages after the Pope incident?

Sorry, the minority argument is convincing less and less people.

[QUOTE="Puiumami"]Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.MFaraz_Hayat

It is you who refuses to listen, not I! 

[QUOTE="Puiumami"]Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.quiglythegreat

What part of Christianity are you refferring to... The Bible is perfect and it cannot misguide men. 

Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?jfkunrendered

 didnt you get the PM i sent you with the answer?

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Puiumami"]Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Puiumami

What part of Christianity are you refferring to... The Bible is perfect and it cannot misguide men.

[QUOTE="monco59"]Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.1_Blood

That was my point, it's the terrorists. Still, any religion that incites it's members to armed resistance on such vague grounds (Yes, I mean Christianity as well, remember the Middle Ages and Crusades?) is a pretty dangerous religion. Having said that, I believe people are the ones who make any given religion dangerous. People are the ones who have written the so called "holy books", and people are the ones who interpret them wrongfully. 

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="Puiumami"]Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Puiumami

It is you who refuses to listen, not I!

Alright! present your facts and i will try to clear your doubts as far as possible. 

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[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?Puiumami

If you conisder "they" as entire muslim community well, your wrong. God knows why they did that it can be because of anything plitical achievement etc. . It's just that they gave it religious colour by calling it jihad. As far as killing of jews and christians: Do you honestly think that a religion would order this and would still get converts from round the globe? Once again Islam promotes peace. What "they" are doing is not Jihad! 

Please, stop lying. Islam is violent, remember the Danish cartoons... they wanted other Muslims to kill them... wether it were a media propaganda tool or not, it does not erase the fact that Islam converts people through force. Christians living in Muslim countries are martyred every day, they have their churches attacked, and they are forced to convert or be killed... families too. What do the police do.... nothing, they can't do anything because of the Muslims. And no, it isn't one isolated incident, it happens way too much. Have you ever wondered why Islam, and Hinduism, 90% of the people live in third world countries... theres a reason for that.

Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.monco59

And weapons of mass destruction ones we are too happy to us.  

[QUOTE="1_Blood"][QUOTE="monco59"]Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.monco59

That was my point, it's the terrorists. Still, any religion that incites it's members to armed resistance on such vague grounds (Yes, I mean Christianity as well, remember the Middle Ages and Crusades?) is a pretty dangerous religion. Having said that, I believe people are the ones who make any given religion dangerous. People are the ones who have written the so called "holy books", and people are the ones who interpret them wrongfully.

You call, not being allowed to perform religious obligations VAGUE GROUNDS. I mean isnt that the fundamental right of all beings and one which cannot be usurped. Shan't we fight for our right? Imagine someone steals your possessions and rights are you gonna thank him,man?

Please, stop lying. Islam is violent, remember the Danish cartoons... they wanted other Muslims to kill them... wether it were a media propaganda tool or not, it does not erase the fact that Islam converts people through force. Christians living in Muslim countries are martyred every day, they have their churches attacked, and they are forced to convert or be killed... families too. What do the police do.... nothing, they can't do anything because of the Muslims. And no, it isn't one isolated incident, it happens way too much. Have you ever wondered why Islam, and Hinduism, 90% of the people live in third world countries... theres a reason for that.

Puiumami

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[QUOTE="1_Blood"][QUOTE="monco59"]Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.MFaraz_Hayat

That was my point, it's the terrorists. Still, any religion that incites it's members to armed resistance on such vague grounds (Yes, I mean Christianity as well, remember the Middle Ages and Crusades?) is a pretty dangerous religion. Having said that, I believe people are the ones who make any given religion dangerous. People are the ones who have written the so called "holy books", and people are the ones who interpret them wrongfully.

You call, not being allowed to perform religious obligations VAGUE GROUNDS. I mean isnt that the fundamental right of all beings and one which cannot be usurped. Shan't we fight for our right? Imagine someone steals your possessions and rights are you gonna thank him,man?

Actyally, yes I do. No one has ever clearly defined what constitutes "not being allowed to perform religious obligations", apart from the obvious denial of a given religion. These terrorists are always blowing stuff up and saying they are only protecting their religion. So who exactly is threatening it in the first place? They are the ones who are doing the most damage to their own religion by acting like savages and thus reinforcing the stereotype that Islam is violent. Remember that guy in Afghanistan who wanted to convert to Christianity? He was threatened with a death sentence for "mocking Islam". If that isn't the very definition of misuse of power, I don't know what is. And vague grounds is the very thing that allows people to misuse whatever power they have. 

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?mixedplanet

didnt you get the PM i sent you with the answer?

I got that after I had already posted this. And what did you think of that guys post at the top of the last page? I`m just curious why so many muslims are killing Jews and Christians but its not the jihad...

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[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]Ok, I asked this earlier...why did they crash in to the twin towers? And why do they insist on killing Jews and Christians?Puiumami

If you conisder "they" as entire muslim community well, your wrong. God knows why they did that it can be because of anything plitical achievement etc. . It's just that they gave it religious colour by calling it jihad. As far as killing of jews and christians: Do you honestly think that a religion would order this and would still get converts from round the globe? Once again Islam promotes peace. What "they" are doing is not Jihad! 

Please, stop lying. Islam is violent, remember the Danish cartoons... they wanted other Muslims to kill them... wether it were a media propaganda tool or not, it does not erase the fact that Islam converts people through force. Christians living in Muslim countries are martyred every day, they have their churches attacked, and they are forced to convert or be killed... families too. What do the police do.... nothing, they can't do anything because of the Muslims. And no, it isn't one isolated incident, it happens way too much. Have you ever wondered why Islam, and Hinduism, 90% of the people live in third world countries... theres a reason for that.

:lol: What the hell are you saying?Thats BS.Yeah they may have been a coplu attacks but that was done by the terrorists.

If you don't belive in Islam you can not belive in Christianity since both together with Judaism are Abrahamic religion.IMO all religion are wrong.I don't belive in any but I know all of them.Now you're saying Christinaity is perfect.If you look at history you'll see who killed more.Does that mean Christianity teaches violence?No but just like Islam it says do something about infidels.Do you have to?No simple

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Puiumami"]Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Puiumami

What part of Christianity are you refferring to... The Bible is perfect and it cannot misguide men.

Ah...really?

Exodus 22.20 "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed "

Leviticus 26:30 "I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you." (and that's God speaking...)

And that's just two examples of the Bible's hate spreading. 

Not much better than the Islam isn't it. 

All religions are false.

Don't tell us. Tell the extremists who give Islam a bad name.greeneye59

Exactly. But the problem with arguing with fanatics is that they are generally unable to listen to reason . . . 

[QUOTE="MFaraz_Hayat"][QUOTE="monco59"]

[QUOTE="1_Blood"][QUOTE="monco59"]Thanks for the religious lesson. Still, who gets to decide what is actually "threatening Islam" and what is not? Seems like a loophole that terrorists are all too happy to exploit.monco59

That was my point, it's the terrorists. Still, any religion that incites it's members to armed resistance on such vague grounds (Yes, I mean Christianity as well, remember the Middle Ages and Crusades?) is a pretty dangerous religion. Having said that, I believe people are the ones who make any given religion dangerous. People are the ones who have written the so called "holy books", and people are the ones who interpret them wrongfully.

You call, not being allowed to perform religious obligations VAGUE GROUNDS. I mean isnt that the fundamental right of all beings and one which cannot be usurped. Shan't we fight for our right? Imagine someone steals your possessions and rights are you gonna thank him,man?

Actyally, yes I do. No one has ever clearly defined what constitutes "not being allowed to perform religious obligations", apart from the obvious denial of a given religion. These terrorists are always blowing stuff up and saying they are only protecting their religion. So who exactly is threatening it in the first place? They are the ones who are doing the most damage to their own religion by acting like savages and thus reinforcing the stereotype that Islam is violent. Remember that guy in Afghanistan who wanted to convert to Christianity? He was threatened with a death sentence for "mocking Islam". If that isn't the very definition of misuse of power, I don't know what is. And vague grounds is the very thing that allows people to misuse whatever power they have.

In this case who is the "power"? A tyrannical or overbearing government? Or the religion itself? These religions are (mostly) not directly responsible for the violent actions, but it's worth noting that if they didn't exist to be misinterpreted then a lot of it could be avoided (or, is it the case that these people aren't misguided, but simply using religion as a cover? In which case removing the relgion would make no difference).

[QUOTE="Puiumami"]

[QUOTE="quiglythegreat"][QUOTE="Puiumami"]Islam is a false religion, it is not God's religion, and the Koran is not God's word for man. Ask if you need proof.Avitu666

What part of Christianity are you refferring to... The Bible is perfect and it cannot misguide men.

Ah...really?

Exodus 22.20 "Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the LORD must be destroyed "

Leviticus 26:30 "I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you." (and that's God speaking...)

And that's just two examples of the Bible's hate spreading.

Not much better than the Islam isn't it.

All religions are false.

Dont twist with the Bible. Leviticus is talking to people that screwed with the Hebrews, like enslaved them or tried to conquer them. Exodus...dont put it in your own words if you put quotations...He says he(idol worshipers) will be destroyed, not must...and he is talking about His own people, not the gentiles. So dont google "violent bible verses" next time, because you have no idea what you are talking about.

I didn't google "violent bible verses"...I looked it up in the Bible..

Look Exodus 22.20 up at  http://www.biblegateway.com/ 

And considering my wife is a Catholic, I do know what I'm talking about since I have to accompany her to those bloody masses every catholic holiday

I was aware their religion is usually a peacful one.

This is simply like "the crusades" of the Muslim faith.

And as for the above, people, please stop the quote train now. I'll sum it up, if anyone were to follow the bible (and all its translations) literally, they would be positively evil and follow asinine rules. (like things regarding pig skin, I haven't read in a while but I recall all sorts of silly things.) The bible should just be followed if you're religious, as a guideline, metaphors and symbolism that is meant to help a person be good and in their eyes moral. Also, no knocking other faiths please. I'm sure there's people following those countless other faiths saying the same about your faith and its not any better of them. Respect other peoples' religious beliefs even if you don't see eye to eye with them, it's dumb little stuff like this that leads to people strapping up bombs in the name of their god. Be mature for crying out loud. lol

I didn't google "violent bible verses"...I looked it up in the Bible..

Look Exodus 22.20 up at http://www.biblegateway.com/

And considering my wife is a Catholic, I do know what I'm talking about since I have to accompany her to those bloody masses every catholic holiday

Avitu666

 Where do Catholics get that you have to do works for your salvation, can you ask her for me? I`m curious, because every time I ask a Catholic where they get that from they suddnely have to go. And I just looked it up in the Bible before I posted what I said, and I stand buy it. And going to a mass on holidays lets me know what you are talking about? I go to church 3 times a week...I think I know a little more than you.

[QUOTE="Avitu666"]

I didn't google "violent bible verses"...I looked it up in the Bible..

Look Exodus 22.20 up at http://www.biblegateway.com/

And considering my wife is a Catholic, I do know what I'm talking about since I have to accompany her to those bloody masses every catholic holiday

jfkunrendered

Where do Catholics get that you have to do works for your salvation, can you ask her for me? I`m curious, because every time I ask a Catholic where they get that from they suddnely have to go. And I just looked it up in the Bible before I posted what I said, and I stand buy it. And going to a mass on holidays lets me know what you are talking about? I go to church 3 times a week...I think I know a little more than you.

Believe me, when you live with an Aramean woman and constantly see her family (her parents, 7 brothers and 4 sisters)...you get spammed with bible crap all the time. They've accepted me as an atheist, but they always change subject when I refer to that particular passage in the Bible.

You're a baptist if I understand correctly? Those guys that mostly believe earth is only 6000 years old?

DEFINITELY not a good reference if that's the case

[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="Avitu666"]

I didn't google "violent bible verses"...I looked it up in the Bible..

Look Exodus 22.20 up at http://www.biblegateway.com/

And considering my wife is a Catholic, I do know what I'm talking about since I have to accompany her to those bloody masses every catholic holiday

Avitu666

Where do Catholics get that you have to do works for your salvation, can you ask her for me? I`m curious, because every time I ask a Catholic where they get that from they suddnely have to go. And I just looked it up in the Bible before I posted what I said, and I stand buy it. And going to a mass on holidays lets me know what you are talking about? I go to church 3 times a week...I think I know a little more than you.

Believe me, when you live with an Aramean woman and constantly see her family (her parents, 7 brothers and 4 sisters)...you get spammed with bible crap all the time. They've accepted me as an atheist, but they always change subject when I refer to that particular passage in the Bible.

You're a baptist if I understand correctly? Those guys that mostly believe earth is only 6000 years old?

DEFINITELY not a good reference if that's the case

Thats just a guess, 6,000 years. But the rednecks that say that dont understand that Gods timing is different than ours, its in the bible. So 6 days could mean 6 million years...But again, its not a sure thing in the bible. Now if your wife is home, please ask her....if you feel like it.