John McCain for Republican candidate.

Well, it kind of annoys me that he supported Bush in the 2004 election, but apparently he is the only Republican candidate running for president that doesn't condone torture...

I guess sometimes the only way to truly have perspective on something is to have been on the wrong end of it, sadly...

Both Republicans and Democrats have issues....:| There's no denying that. Except the Liberals have been focusing too much on the negatives of the world: War in Iraq, Global Warming, ect. Most of the time, they blow things waaay out of proportion. tomxizor

Just because he doesn't do one thing isn't enough for me. That guy brought up the idea to fine people for posting anti-war comments over the internet (Freedom of Speech). If some dude can't even remember the way this country is supposed to work, well, I think that sums it up.BranKetra

Link?

I wasn't aware of that.  I'll almost certainly end up voting for the Democratic candidate anyway.

Unless it's Hillary. Then I'm not so sure... 

Both Republicans and Democrats have issues....:| There's no denying that. Except the Liberals have been focusing too much on the negatives of the world: War in Iraq, Global Warming, ect. Most of the time, they blow things waaay out of proportion. tomxizor

What exactly does this have to do with the thread? 

[QUOTE="tomxizor"]Both Republicans and Democrats have issues....:| There's no denying that. Except the Liberals have been focusing too much on the negatives of the world: War in Iraq, Global Warming, ect. Most of the time, they blow things waaay out of proportion. Thanatos1337

The thing is, they never focus on the positives. It's either "Oh we need to get the troops out!", or "Everyone stop breathing; you're causing Global Warming!" You never hear on CNN how schools are being built in Iraq, medical supplies are being more easily accessed, and how jobs are being handed out to willing people. They always have to focus their attention on the newest IED explosion, or how 100 troops have recently been killed. Yes, they need to be acknowledged, but so do the accomplishments of our troops, not just the losses. :|

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]Just because he doesn't do one thing isn't enough for me. That guy brought up the idea to fine people for posting anti-war comments over the internet (Freedom of Speech). If some dude can't even remember the way this country is supposed to work, well, I think that sums it up.SpaceMoose

Link?

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107Bloggers_Prison.htm

Enjoy. It's the real deal, as random as the world's government-institutionalized mindsets are getting. This guy is supposed to be a part of the U.S. government, bringing this to the table?

The thing is, they never focus on the positives. It's either "Oh we need to get the troops out!", or "Everyone stop breathing; you're causing Global Warming!" You never hear on CNN how schools are being built in Iraq, medical supplies are being more easily accessed, and how jobs are being handed out to willing people. They always have to focus their attention on the newest IED explosion, or how 100 troops have recently been killed. Yes, they need to be acknowledged, but so do the accomplishments of our troops, not just the losses. :|

tomxizor

Hey, guess what, some schools have been built in Iraq. Yeah, we know, because the right-wingers bring it up like every single freaking day. Are new schools opening there every day? Of course not. That's just silly. How is that news?

Explosions ARE happening there every day though. Seriously, you don't see CNN repeatedly bringing up Abu Ghraib either. Must be because they are biased by your logic.

And "everyone stop breathing; you're causing Global Warning!" Nice straw-man argument.

Well, anyway, thank you for the Rush Limbaugh / Michael Savage / Sean Hannity / etc. talking points. Now did you really have to hijack this thread? The one about McCain?...

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107Bloggers_Prison.htm

Enjoy. It's the real deal, as random as the world's government-institutionalized mindsets are getting. This guy is supposed to be a part of the U.S. government, bringing this to the table?

BranKetra

Okay, allow me to rephrase:  Link from a reliable news source?  Come on.  They have a link to PrisonPlanet on their page, a ridiculous conspiracy site that posts a bunch of stuff without sources.  That's worse than Fox News.

The fact that I don't support most of the current Republicans doesn't mean I'm going to believe any sort of negative nonsense about them. 

I'll pick McCain over Clinton any day, but he really hasn't shown alot of backbone on the campaign trail (he starting to sound like a republican lap dog).  At this point I'd pick Obama but he can really handle politics, and could end up being another Jimmy Carter, but he could also be another Bill Clinton too, personally I don't like voting on uncertainties.

Personally I'm hoping for an unknown canidate to rise up, but that's unlikely we're a nation raised on branding, and we'll probably get a branded president. 

[QUOTE="BranKetra"]

http://infowars.net/articles/january2007/180107Bloggers_Prison.htm

Enjoy. It's the real deal, as random as the world's government-institutionalized mindsets are getting. This guy is supposed to be a part of the U.S. government, bringing this to the table?

SpaceMoose

Okay, allow me to rephrase:  Link from a reliable news source?  Come on.  They have a link to PrisonPlanet on their page, a ridiculous conspiracy site that posts a bunch of stuff without sources.  That's worse than Fox News.

The fact that I don't support most of the current Republicans doesn't mean I'm going to believe any sort of negative nonsense about them. 

How can anyone trust a website which claims Peak Oil is just a government myth designed to get them absolute power? Nevermind the other downright delusional crap on that website. They actually believe the world's oil supply is limitless.

I also read a lot of their "cited articles" for their opinions on things. Many of which came from Infowars.com, and other anti semetic websites. I think I smell the real conspiracy here...

I don't know how i feel about McCain.  I liked him a few years ago, but like someone else said, he's starting to become a Republican lapdog.  At first, he was this Republican rebel, being conservative about some things and liberal about others, kind of a good in-between.  But then he abruptly started brown-nosing Bush, Cheney & the rest of 'em, like they threatened his family so he'd cooperate or something.

What would be cool, but not really plausible, is if he switched up his views to enter the election, trying to curry favor with those currently in power, then once he got hold of the presidency, totally switch back to classic McCain and pwn everybody. But that's just a pipe dream.

"Torture" is actually the issue I most disagree with McCain about. It's common sense we don't stoop to the level of terrorists and start sawing people's heads and hands off on live television. We've got to take the high road, but in the theoretical situations where tens of thousands of lives are at risk because of some pertinent information a would be attack has that could prevent the attack, I say let him have it. I'm far more concerned about the immediate safety and lives of millions of Americans than the comfort level of a terrorist or war criminal.bt_the_great_78

I think this is another area where Bush, and some republicans have made a huge mistake.  If it actually comes down to saving the lives of millions of people I really don't think some guy's gonna go "whoops can't torture him it's against the law", or at least I hope we don't have those types of people working in the CIA, FBI or who ever would be interogating somebody with this info.

Our official stance should always be "we do not torture under any circumstance", of course behind close doors, or under the table these things can actually happen if that person feels the risk is great enough to lay their own neck on the line, and if those around him feel it's justified they can cover it up.

Both Republicans and Democrats have issues....:| There's no denying that. Except the Liberals have been focusing too much on the negatives of the world: War in Iraq, Global Warming, ect. Most of the time, they blow things waaay out of proportion. tomxizor

The negatives involved in the Iraq war and Global warming were blown way out of proportion? Despite the fact that they were supported by many years of study from numerous scientists and people who knows what they're doing? I suppose Republican's core message that if you vote for democrats another 9/11 attack will occur and kill you and your family is more realistic for you?

McCain is too old, sadly. Elraptor

So at what age is someone too old to have the mental capacity to be president, in your opinion?  I think it depends on the particular person, really. 

(Like I said, I'll most likely end up voting for the Democratic candidate anyway, as long as it's not Hillary.)

ron paul owns all of them.areyoumad

RON PAUL 08 THE ONLY REAL CANDIDATE 

"Torture" is actually the issue I most disagree with McCain about. It's common sense we don't stoop to the level of terrorists and start sawing people's heads and hands off on live television. We've got to take the high road, but in the theoretical situations where tens of thousands of lives are at risk because of some pertinent information a would be attack has that could prevent the attack, I say let him have it. I'm far more concerned about the immediate safety and lives of millions of Americans than the comfort level of a terrorist or war criminal.bt_the_great_78

random john mccain trivia: john mccain flys coach... i've witnessed it.

on topic though, I would support mccain over most republicans and  i will not be supporting any of the dems who are currently in the picture

I wish Collin Powell Would run for Republican nomination. I would vote for him in a heartbeat :|

Anyway, I would support McCain, he's the only real strong choice. The democrats are all screaming "GET OUT OF IRAQ" When that's not the answer. We can't simply run away from Iraq, It would be like Vietnam, if not worse. We just need to gut it out, and withdraw when Iraq is finally stable.

Only Republicans seem to want that, and McCain seems to be the strongest in that respect. 

Well, it kind of annoys me that he supported Bush in the 2004 election, but apparently he is the only Republican candidate running for president that doesn't condone torture...

I guess sometimes the only way to truly have perspective on something is to have been on the wrong end of it, sadly...

SpaceMoose

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the 2000 election but McCain was so against Bush on almost everything.  I mean he pretty much despised Bush and positioned himself as a very moderate republican to appeal to a lot of "conservative liberals".  He hated bush and could barley get though that mock "endorsement" of Bush after he lost the primaries.    I actually registered as a republican just to vote for McCain in 2000 because even back then I knew Bush was going to be the worst thing this world has EVER seen.

Since then McCain has jumped right into Bush's back pocket because he knows it's his best chance to win the election.  I have lost all respect for him and would just about vote for anyone but him!

There isn't a decent Republican candidate out there. 

The closest done would be Rudy though.

There isn't a decent Republican candidate out there. 

The closest done would be Rudy though.

Donkey_Puncher

And again if you are old enough to have paid attention to the 2000 election you would know that McCain was in 2000 what Rudy is in 2008.  McCain used to be the liberal republican. 

I wish Collin Powell Would run for Republican nomination. I would vote for him in a heartbeat :|

Anyway, I would support McCain, he's the only real strong choice. The democrats are all screaming "GET OUT OF IRAQ" When that's not the answer. We can't simply run away from Iraq, It would be like Vietnam, if not worse. We just need to gut it out, and withdraw when Iraq is finally stable.

Only Republicans seem to want that, and McCain seems to be the strongest in that respect. 

hokies1313

Yeah and that's why now a lot of republicans in the house and senate are now also calling to get out of Iraq!:roll:

When your own party starts jumping ship you know something is wrong!!

[QUOTE="Donkey_Puncher"]

There isn't a decent Republican candidate out there. 

The closest done would be Rudy though.

basersx

And again if you are old enough to have paid attention to the 2000 election you would know that McCain was in 2000 what Rudy is in 2008.  McCain used to be the liberal republican. 

I voted in the 2000 election.  McCain was ok then, he's lost all that now.  Rudy is the closest thing to being a respectable republican.

ron paul owns all of them.areyoumad

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]"Torture" is actually the issue I most disagree with McCain about. It's common sense we don't stoop to the level of terrorists and start sawing people's heads and hands off on live television. We've got to take the high road, but in the theoretical situations where tens of thousands of lives are at risk because of some pertinent information a would be attack has that could prevent the attack, I say let him have it. I'm far more concerned about the immediate safety and lives of millions of Americans than the comfort level of a terrorist or war criminal.EboyLOL

[QUOTE="bt_the_great_78"]"Torture" is actually the issue I most disagree with McCain about. It's common sense we don't stoop to the level of terrorists and start sawing people's heads and hands off on live television. We've got to take the high road, but in the theoretical situations where tens of thousands of lives are at risk because of some pertinent information a would be attack has that could prevent the attack, I say let him have it. I'm far more concerned about the immediate safety and lives of millions of Americans than the comfort level of a terrorist or war criminal.jrhawk42

I think this is another area where Bush, and some republicans have made a huge mistake. If it actually comes down to saving the lives of millions of people I really don't think some guy's gonna go "whoops can't torture him it's against the law", or at least I hope we don't have those types of people working in the CIA, FBI or who ever would be interogating somebody with this info.

Our official stance should always be "we do not torture under any circumstance", of course behind close doors, or under the table these things can actually happen if that person feels the risk is great enough to lay their own neck on the line, and if those around him feel it's justified they can cover it up.

[QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

Well, it kind of annoys me that he supported Bush in the 2004 election, but apparently he is the only Republican candidate running for president that doesn't condone torture...

I guess sometimes the only way to truly have perspective on something is to have been on the wrong end of it, sadly...

basersx

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the 2000 election but McCain was so against Bush on almost everything. I mean he pretty much despised Bush and positioned himself as a very moderate republican to appeal to a lot of "conservative liberals". He hated bush and could barley get though that mock "endorsement" of Bush after he lost the primaries. I actually registered as a republican just to vote for McCain in 2000 because even back then I knew Bush was going to be the worst thing this world has EVER seen.

Since then McCain has jumped right into Bush's back pocket because he knows it's his best chance to win the election. I have lost all respect for him and would just about vote for anyone but him!

While I am no fan of Bush, he is definitely not the worst thing the world has ever seen.  Talk about hyperbole.

As far as McCain doing what he has to in order to win, I say good for him.  It would be great if politicians told the truth, and the best candidate was elected based on their real positions on each issue, but that's fairy tale talk.  The fact is, people don't want the truth.  The truth is the government needs to stop spending so much money on stupid social programs and raise taxes because our budget is out of control.  If a presidential candidate actually said that though it would be political suicide.  Instead they want lower taxes, and more social programs.  They forget that these programs cost money, and that money has to come from somewhere.

Honesty in politics is overrated and nobody really wants it anyway.

[QUOTE="basersx"][QUOTE="SpaceMoose"]

Well, it kind of annoys me that he supported Bush in the 2004 election, but apparently he is the only Republican candidate running for president that doesn't condone torture...

I guess sometimes the only way to truly have perspective on something is to have been on the wrong end of it, sadly...

Decessus

I don't know if you are old enough to remember the 2000 election but McCain was so against Bush on almost everything. I mean he pretty much despised Bush and positioned himself as a very moderate republican to appeal to a lot of "conservative liberals". He hated bush and could barley get though that mock "endorsement" of Bush after he lost the primaries. I actually registered as a republican just to vote for McCain in 2000 because even back then I knew Bush was going to be the worst thing this world has EVER seen.

Since then McCain has jumped right into Bush's back pocket because he knows it's his best chance to win the election. I have lost all respect for him and would just about vote for anyone but him!

While I am no fan of Bush, he is definitely not the worst thing the world has ever seen.  Talk about hyperbole.

As far as McCain doing what he has to in order to win, I say good for him.  It would be great if politicians told the truth, and the best candidate was elected based on their real positions on each issue, but that's fairy tale talk.  The fact is, people don't want the truth.  The truth is the government needs to stop spending so much money on stupid social programs and raise taxes because our budget is out of control.  If a presidential candidate actually said that though it would be political suicide.  Instead they want lower taxes, and more social programs.  They forget that these programs cost money, and that money has to come from somewhere.

Honesty in politics is overrated and nobody really wants it anyway.

Nobody said he had to tell the truth all the time but he does have to stay consistent.  Yet he has done basically a 180 from where he was in 2000.  And its now acting like best buddies with a guy he literally could not stand before!  How can anyone respect a guy that changes every opinion and stance in only 8 years just to get elected? 

Rudy is the new 2000 McCain.

Nobody said he had to tell the truth all the time but he does have to stay consistent. Yet he has done basically a 180 from where he was in 2000. And its now acting like best buddies with a guy he literally could not stand before! How can anyone respect a guy that changes every opinion and stance in only 8 years just to get elected?

Rudy is the new 2000 McCain.

basersx

This is why politics irritates the piss out of me. I seriously think that John McCain still doesn't like George Bush. If he had his way, he would gladly tell him to get stuffed. However, he has to play the game in order to appeal to a certain group of people so they vote for him.

I don't think he is acting like his best buddy though. I just think he isn't as confrontational with him because again, he wants the support of a specific group of people. That's my take anyway.