Junk food: The next civil rights movement?

What do you think the next popular civil rights movement will be about? I'm guessing at some point there will be one about unhealthy food. I would expect a debate on the matter to go something like this:

Junk food abolitionist:You have no right to feed us this filth. Heart disease is the leading cause of death in America, and your food is what's causing it. Our children are facing an obesity epidmic and it's your fault.

Food salesperson:I don't force people to buy my product. Anyone who doesn't want to eat my food doesn't have to.

Junk food abolitionist:How dare you try and shrug the responsibility off on someone else. My children shouldn't have to be exposed to your garbage.

Food salesperson:I don't force people to buy my product. Anyone who doesn't want to eat my food doesn't have to.

etc.

It seems there's already a movement to ban unhealthy food from schools in America. Is it acceptable for the government to tell us what food we can or cannot sell/buy? Does the government have any business choosing our diets for us?

Should the government prohibit certain foods from being sold at private venues like they did with the so many oz. drinks in NYC? No. Should they promote and encourage much more healthy eating in public schools? Yes.

Just tax fat people more.Fightingfan

I blame the parents.dodgerblue13

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just tax fat people more.Laihendi

Should the government prohibit certain foods from being sold at private venues like they did with the so many oz. drinks in NYC? No. Should they promote and encourage much more healthy eating in public schools? Yes.

TacticalDesire

today a retailer at checkout asked me if i wanted to give $5 to cure childhood diabetes and i was so proud of myself for not saying i have the cure and it is to quit stuffiing 3000 calories worth of shyt quality fast food a day into your fatass kids.

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Should the government prohibit certain foods from being sold at private venues like they did with the so many oz. drinks in NYC? No. Should they promote and encourage much more healthy eating in public schools? Yes.

Crunchy_Nuts

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't because the money is with the unhealthier foods. Those are subsidized correct?

[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"][QUOTE="TacticalDesire"]

Should the government prohibit certain foods from being sold at private venues like they did with the so many oz. drinks in NYC? No. Should they promote and encourage much more healthy eating in public schools? Yes.

TacticalDesire

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't because the money is with the unhealthier foods. Those are subsidized correct?

today a retailer at checkout asked me if i wanted to give $5 to cure childhood diabetes and i was so proud of myself for not saying i have the cure and it is to quit stuffiing 3000 calories worth of shyt quality fast food a day into your fatass kids.

Riverwolf007

Well that's good because you would have been ignoring Type 1 diabetes.

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[QUOTE="Crunchy_Nuts"] It would be better for governments to subsidies healthier foods.Crunchy_Nuts

Yeah, I'm pretty sure they don't because the money is with the unhealthier foods. Those are subsidized correct?

Ah ok, gotcha.

today a retailer at checkout asked me if i wanted to give $5 to cure childhood diabetes and i was so proud of myself for not saying i have the cure and it is to quit stuffiing 3000 calories worth of shyt quality fast food a day into your fatass kids.

Riverwolf007

Good point. Especially because it's not like diabetes (both type 1 and type 2) can be caused purely by genetic factors or anything. You sure showed them!

If gov't is paying for healthcare then yes. They have that right. maheo30

[QUOTE="maheo30"]If gov't is paying for healthcare then yes. They have that right. famicommander

People should have the right to eat what they want, parents should just learn to stop being ridiculous with what they give kids. The only time things should be monitored is if the kid is like those 100 pound babies because the parents supposedly can't stop feeding the kids the food, that is just ridiculous. Just becuase people don't have common sense though doesn't mean the government should be stepping into everyone's lives, the only time they should is if the kid is either sickly or extremely overweight but that's enough of my two cents.

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today a retailer at checkout asked me if i wanted to give $5 to cure childhood diabetes and i was so proud of myself for not saying i have the cure and it is to quit stuffiing 3000 calories worth of shyt quality fast food a day into your fatass kids.

Slow_Show

Good point. Especially because it's not like diabetes (both type 1 and type 2) can be caused purely by genetic factors or anything. You sure showed them!

Banning unhealthy meals from schools seems like a reasonable thing to do. What people get up to at home though, is no business of anyone else.Crunchy_Nuts

The transgender community will be next after gays get equality in the US.

Though that's still a ways away.

The transgender community will be next after gays get equality in the US.

Though that's still a ways away.

Aljosa23

I think pretty soon civil rights will aim at establshing rigorous 'hate-speech' laws both for traditional groups and often for idealogies thought to be for the social good. I.e. people will begin asserting the right to not hear dissenting opinions or to have someone not accept/endorse their lifestyle and ideas. It seems that all or most civil rights issues want to legislate acceptance in addition to legal equality.

Just thinking about how threads here in OT will go makes me sad.dave123321

I think pretty soon civil rights will aim at establshing rigorous 'hate-speech' laws both for traditional groups and often for idealogies thought to be for the social good. I.e. people will begin asserting the right to not hear dissenting opinions or to have someone not accept/endorse their lifestyle and ideas. It seems that all or most civil rights issues want to legislate acceptance in addition to legal equality.

GIJames248

To those who say tax unhealthy food: why? One person on the last page said that is was to compensate for damage to society caused by their health issues. To me this seems more like a reason to not have a welfare state than a reason to penalize unhealthy food. That way people are forced to deal with the consequences of their own actions, and no one else is forced to suffer from their lifestyle choices. Why not give people the freedom to make their own decisions and accept the consequences?

Also, why should people with unhealthy diets be less entitled to medical care than anyone else? The reality is that almost all medical problems (excepting old age) are the results of mistakes. If someone can find a medical facility that will care for him and he can pay for his expenses, then what is the problem?

I support educating people about healthy eating habbits, but banning unhealthy food (or taxing it) seems to me to be something that the government has no business doing.

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just tax fat people more.Laihendi

Because paying for their health insurance is a burden on others. Obese peopel should have to pay higher taxes.

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

I think pretty soon civil rights will aim at establshing rigorous 'hate-speech' laws both for traditional groups and often for idealogies thought to be for the social good. I.e. people will begin asserting the right to not hear dissenting opinions or to have someone not accept/endorse their lifestyle and ideas. It seems that all or most civil rights issues want to legislate acceptance in addition to legal equality.

Laihendi

To those who say tax unhealthy food: why? One person on the last page said that is was to compensate for damage to society caused by their health issues. To me this seems more like a reason to not have a welfare state than a reason to penalize unhealthy food. That way people are forced to deal with the consequences of their own actions, and no one else is forced to suffer from their lifestyle choices. Why not give people the freedom to make their own decisions and accept the consequences?

Also, why should people with unhealthy diets be less entitled to medical care than anyone else? The reality is that almost all medical problems (excepting old age) are the results of mistakes. If someone can find a medical facility that will care for him and can pay for his expenses, then what is the problem?

I support educating people about healthy eating habbits, but banning unhealthy food (or taxing it) seems to me to be something that the government has no business doing.

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[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

I think pretty soon civil rights will aim at establshing rigorous 'hate-speech' laws both for traditional groups and often for idealogies thought to be for the social good. I.e. people will begin asserting the right to not hear dissenting opinions or to have someone not accept/endorse their lifestyle and ideas. It seems that all or most civil rights issues want to legislate acceptance in addition to legal equality.

l4dak47

To those who say tax unhealthy food: why? One person on the last page said that is was to compensate for damage to society caused by their health issues. To me this seems more like a reason to not have a welfare state than a reason to penalize unhealthy food. That way people are forced to deal with the consequences of their own actions, and no one else is forced to suffer from their lifestyle choices. Why not give people the freedom to make their own decisions and accept the consequences?

Also, why should people with unhealthy diets be less entitled to medical care than anyone else? The reality is that almost all medical problems (excepting old age) are the results of mistakes. If someone can find a medical facility that will care for him and can pay for his expenses, then what is the problem?

I support educating people about healthy eating habbits, but banning unhealthy food (or taxing it) seems to me to be something that the government has no business doing.

Nope, at least not if they are federal taxes and not levied on all other consumables.

[QUOTE="l4dak47"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I find it ironic that civil rights legislation often makes us less free.

To those who say tax unhealthy food: why? One person on the last page said that is was to compensate for damage to society caused by their health issues. To me this seems more like a reason to not have a welfare state than a reason to penalize unhealthy food. That way people are forced to deal with the consequences of their own actions, and no one else is forced to suffer from their lifestyle choices. Why not give people the freedom to make their own decisions and accept the consequences?

Also, why should people with unhealthy diets be less entitled to medical care than anyone else? The reality is that almost all medical problems (excepting old age) are the results of mistakes. If someone can find a medical facility that will care for him and can pay for his expenses, then what is the problem?

I support educating people about healthy eating habbits, but banning unhealthy food (or taxing it) seems to me to be something that the government has no business doing.

GIJames248

Nope, at least not if they are federal taxes and not levied on all other consumables.

[QUOTE="GIJames248"]

I think pretty soon civil rights will aim at establshing rigorous 'hate-speech' laws both for traditional groups and often for idealogies thought to be for the social good. I.e. people will begin asserting the right to not hear dissenting opinions or to have someone not accept/endorse their lifestyle and ideas. It seems that all or most civil rights issues want to legislate acceptance in addition to legal equality.

Laihendi

To those who say tax unhealthy food: why? One person on the last page said that is was to compensate for damage to society caused by their health issues. To me this seems more like a reason to not have a welfare state than a reason to penalize unhealthy food. That way people are forced to deal with the consequences of their own actions, and no one else is forced to suffer from their lifestyle choices. Why not give people the freedom to make their own decisions and accept the consequences?

Also, why should people with unhealthy diets be less entitled to medical care than anyone else? The reality is that almost all medical problems (excepting old age) are the results of mistakes. If someone can find a medical facility that will care for him and can pay for his expenses, then what is the problem?

I support educating people about healthy eating habbits, but banning unhealthy food (or taxing it) seems to me to be something that the government has no business doing.

I heartily agree with everything you said.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just tax fat people more.Tokugawa77

Because paying for their health insurance is a burden on others. Obese peopel should have to pay higher taxes.

That is a far better reason for us to not be paying for someone else's insurance than it is for the government to direct what choices we make.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just tax fat people more.Tokugawa77

Because paying for their health insurance is a burden on others. Obese peopel should have to pay higher taxes.

I probably sound like a broken record by now....but healthy/unhealthy foods don't exist. Is one oreo or donut going to wreck your health? No. Will it even have noticeable effects on any iota of anything? Doubtful.Therefore, unhealthy isn't mutually exclusive to food type. Amount matters 100000x more. Water....healthy right? Too much can poison you. Context and dose. It really burns me when someone pidgeonholes foods as unhealthy regardless of circumstances.

EDIT: And for Jesus Christ's sake HFCS has never been proven in study to be uniquely obesegenic. 4 calories per gram is FKIN 4 calories per gram. Any kind of unique hormonal response will most likely be next to nil.

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Why should fat people be penalized by the government for their lifestyle choices? Don't matters of personal health lie beyond the scope of government?Laihendi

Because paying for their health insurance is a burden on others. Obese peopel should have to pay higher taxes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Tokugawa77"]

Because paying for their health insurance is a burden on others. Obese peopel should have to pay higher taxes.

l4dak47

Just tax fat people more.Fightingfan

Well it's the only thing we will get off our fat @sses to protect these days.