Just a thought about cutting taxes to the rich...

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I was up all night so I can't think entirely straight, just a warning. Do you tax the rich by attacking their by taxing the rich by adding business taxes? If not, then why can't we cut business taxes. Most of you guys won't believe as my main source is my dad (maybe I shouldn't entirely believe him either) but he's in his early 40s, went back to school 4 years ago and is in medical school. He even owned a business at one point. Apparently nearly all businesses have to give bonuses to full time workers, this is why a lot of companies only hire part time. If you are hired as part time for work as much as a full time person, by law they would have to consider you a full time worker and give you benefits. With the healthcare law they are trying to pass one of these benefits they are going be forced to give is healthcare. Only business like Wal-Mart are gonna be able to afford this. It's easy to call fowl when companies are trying to do less with more people, holding off promotions, paying less per hour and rising prices while lowering quality of goods. But how you guys thought that maybe that have too? Remember they have you give you benefits and they have to pay a load of extra taxes. Again, my only source is my dad so I don't know how reliable this is. Recently my father has talk to someone who was a business owner (I forgot what his company did). Apparently there is another new tax for businesses that have an X amount of people working for them, and this tax was HUGE the guy went on about how it would eat up all of his profits. My father ask how he was planning on dealing with that, his response? "I laid off an entire department of my company so I don't have to pay the tax." It seems harsh, but again who will be pretty much unaffected by it? Giant companies like Wal-Mart... Are Wal-Mart size companies just so massive that the taxes coming from smaller businesses don't matter? It seems like you can't really just 'tax the rich' without hurting the little guys. Maybe I'm over thinking this. What do you guys think?
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No, companies like Wal Mart find tax loopholes and exploit it.
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You Can't tax the corporations without hurting the little people, because in the end they need to make that profit back again, and thats either through laying off workers or Increasing prices.

The government puts extra taxes on the rich because if they do that they won't lose the support of the middle and lower classes and Might actually Gain votes in the lower class, while making the money they use for the "services" we "need"...

I think overtaxation as a whole is ridiculous though.

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No, companies like Wal Mart find tax loopholes and exploit it.DroidPhysX

proof maybe? Unless your being sarcastic.

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No, companies like Wal Mart find tax loopholes and exploit it.DroidPhysX
Sure, they find loopholes and avoid paying ANY of their taxes. They don't pay a dime do they? :| Please think about this, maybe if they didn't have loopholes even they would be hurting by these things?
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]No, companies like Wal Mart find tax loopholes and exploit it.Fundai

proof maybe? Unless your being sarcastic.

Left news station report all the time of the billions corps avoid paying taxes on but forget that they still pay a lot of taxes.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]No, companies like Wal Mart find tax loopholes and exploit it.Fundai

proof maybe? Unless your being sarcastic.

GE paid zero tax dollars. They received a $3.2 billion dollar tax benefit.

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Why would i be sarcastic?

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"For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much. " I'm too tired to read anymore but is Obama saying the reform is going to stop giant companies from cheating AND stop overtaxing small companies forcing them to lay of people? +10 respect for Obama.
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]"For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much. " I'm too tired to read anymore but is Obama saying the reform is going to stop giant companies from cheating AND stop overtaxing small companies forcing them to lay of people? +10 respect for Obama.

Huh? Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 17 times.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]"For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much. " I'm too tired to read anymore but is Obama saying the reform is going to stop giant companies from cheating AND stop overtaxing small companies forcing them to lay of people? +10 respect for Obama.

Huh? Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 17 times.

No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....
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"For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much. " I'm too tired to read anymore but is Obama saying the reform is going to stop giant companies from cheating AND stop overtaxing small companies forcing them to lay of people? +10 respect for Obama.Nerkcon
That's the general idea. Lower the corporate tax rate and end subsidies and exemptions.
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[QUOTE="Fundai"]

[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]No, companies like Wal Mart find tax loopholes and exploit it.DroidPhysX

proof maybe? Unless your being sarcastic.

GE paid zero tax dollars. They received a $3.2 billion dollar tax benefit.

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Why would i be sarcastic?

ok, thats only one example.. The fact they lost money in the recesion also doesn't make there zero tax dollars that unreachable. Yet If taxloopholes that serious are there than they should be closed off.

That still doesn't mean that companies arn't being overtaxed to begin with though.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]"For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much. " I'm too tired to read anymore but is Obama saying the reform is going to stop giant companies from cheating AND stop overtaxing small companies forcing them to lay of people? +10 respect for Obama.Nerkcon
Huh? Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 17 times.

No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....

Which tax is he referring to?
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ok, thats only one example.. Fundai
I wouldn't give him that. According to him Obama has been lowering and lowering taxes for small businesses and helping them. I've been out side, this is not the case. If he gets this all from ABC news I don't that that article would be anymore true. :|
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]"For two years, President Obama has been talking about the need for corporate tax reform, declaring that the system is too complicated and that companies pay too much. " I'm too tired to read anymore but is Obama saying the reform is going to stop giant companies from cheating AND stop overtaxing small companies forcing them to lay of people? +10 respect for Obama.Nerkcon
Huh? Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 17 times.

No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....

Politifact begs to differ

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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Huh? Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 17 times.mattbbpl
No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....

Which tax is he referring to?

A tax you have to pay if you have more than X amount of people. So I guess when you get X amount of people you are considered a big business? I can't totally depend on my dad for information (he hardly tells me anything I just overhear his conversations) and on top of all that this was just one guy he talked to. But the tax is so big he had to avoid it at all costs to keep making a profit? That's insane...
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] Huh? Obama has cut taxes for small businesses 17 times.DroidPhysX

No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....

Politifact begs to differ

If you trust it, its probably left wing. Again, I have seen stores closing left and right and being replace with companies like JC Pennies. This is obviously not the case. Its like you stab someone and tell them what they're feeling right now is an orgasm. It seems like see taxes are more like trying to stop small businesses from getting ahead.
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....Nerkcon
Which tax is he referring to?

A tax you have to pay if you have more than X amount of people. So I guess when you get X amount of people you are considered a big business? I can't totally depend on my dad for information (he hardly tells me anything I just overhear his conversations) and on top of all that this was just one guy he talked to. But the tax is so big he had to avoid it at all costs to keep making a profit? That's insane...

I'm curious as to what the specific tax is. I'd like to look up the details of it.

A quick Google search didn't turn up anything. I'll keep looking for a little while.
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....Nerkcon

Politifact begs to differ

If you trust it, its probably left wing. Again, I have seen stores closing left and right and being replace with companies like JC Pennies. This is obviously not the case. Its like you stab someone and tell them what they're feeling right now is an orgasm. It seems like see taxes are more like trying to stop small businesses from getting ahead.

If you've followed politifact, you would know it researches a major claim by virtually anyone. The Left or the RIght. How exactly is it left wing if i trust it? :?
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Which tax is he referring to?mattbbpl
A tax you have to pay if you have more than X amount of people. So I guess when you get X amount of people you are considered a big business? I can't totally depend on my dad for information (he hardly tells me anything I just overhear his conversations) and on top of all that this was just one guy he talked to. But the tax is so big he had to avoid it at all costs to keep making a profit? That's insane...

I'm curious as to what the specific tax is. I'd like to look up the details of it.

A quick Google search didn't turn up anything. I'll keep looking for a little while.

I don't know the name. :( Is there a website where you can read every single law and tax, including laws and taxes businesses have to follow?
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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] No he didn't, my dad talked to a friend that had to lay off a bunch of people because of a new tax. If he did then apparently his idea of a 'big business' is very very small....Nerkcon

Politifact begs to differ

If you trust it, its probably left wing. Again, I have seen stores closing left and right and being replace with companies like JC Pennies. This is obviously not the case. Its like you stab someone and tell them what they're feeling right now is an orgasm. It seems like see taxes are more like trying to stop small businesses from getting ahead.

Politifact reports on the truth of statements made by politicians and media members of both parties. Peruse their site and take a look for yourself.

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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"]

Politifact begs to differ

DroidPhysX

If you trust it, its probably left wing. Again, I have seen stores closing left and right and being replace with companies like JC Pennies. This is obviously not the case. Its like you stab someone and tell them what they're feeling right now is an orgasm. It seems like see taxes are more like trying to stop small businesses from getting ahead.

If you've followed politifact, you would know it researches a major claim by virtually anyone. The Left or the RIght. How exactly is it left wing if i trust it? :?

It researches but it could still have left wing bias (or right wing bias) in stating whatever it finds. (I don't follow it so I'm not exactly sure how it works)

Just saying nothing has no bias.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If you've followed politifact, you would know it researches a major claim by virtually anyone. The Left or the RIght. How exactly is it left wing if i trust it? :?

Kinda like how Fox News claims to be fair and balance even though its clearly right wing? I would ask why businesses are doing worst with these tax cuts but then you'll probably bring up all these starts and pie charts reported to be true by left wing sources and confirmed by politifact.
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If you've followed politifact, you would know it researches a major claim by virtually anyone. The Left or the RIght. How exactly is it left wing if i trust it? :?

Kinda like how Fox News claims to be fair and balance even though its clearly right wing? I would ask why businesses are doing worst with these tax cuts but then you'll probably bring up all these starts and pie charts reported to be true by left wing sources and confirmed by politifact.

You're equating politifact to Fox News? Seriously? Go to the website yourself. Not everything that supports Obama claims is left wing. You do know they also called him out on flops too?
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I was trying to this website but I keep getting an HTML error and I'm not using HTML WTF?! Anyway, they spoke out against Jon Stewart which surprised me. I'll look at his website a little more. :)
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]I was trying to this website but I keep getting an HTML error and I'm not using HTML WTF?! Anyway, they spoke out against Jon Stewart which surprised me. I'll look at his website a little more. :)

Wow, you really have bought into some sort of incredibly divisive world view, haven't you
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[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"]I was trying to this website but I keep getting an HTML error and I'm not using HTML WTF?! Anyway, they spoke out against Jon Stewart which surprised me. I'll look at his website a little more. :)

Wow, you really have bought into some sort of incredibly divisive world view, haven't you

Yep! :D
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Giant companies carve out tax loopholes so they can avoid taxes.

The best bet for the economy would be to close all the tax loopholes and lower the corporate tax rate. But most republicans refuse to remove tax loopholes.

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The dirty little secret is that corporations don't actually pay their taxes, their customers do. Here is how it works.

Lets say I own the ACME Widget Company. We make widgets. I know it costs me $1 in material, labor and overhead to produce a widget. I also want to make 25 cents in profit off each widget in order to grow my company. I also know that the govt will take 10% of my profit in taxes. How do I price my widgets?

25 cents divided by 0.9 is 27.8. If I sell my widgets for $1.28, I report 28 cents in profit, the govt takes their 3 cents (10%) and I am left with 25 cents.

So, who paid the 3 cent tax on my profit from selling the widget? The customer that bought the widget.

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[QUOTE="DroidPhysX"] If you've followed politifact, you would know it researches a major claim by virtually anyone. The Left or the RIght. How exactly is it left wing if i trust it? :?Nerkcon
Kinda like how Fox News claims to be fair and balance even though its clearly right wing? I would ask why businesses are doing worst with these tax cuts but then you'll probably bring up all these starts and pie charts reported to be true by left wing sources and confirmed by politifact.

I found a tax credit given under Obamacare given specifically to small businesses. Perhaps he was trying to get that tax credit?
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Giant companies carve out tax loopholes so they can avoid taxes.

The best bet for the economy would be to close all the tax loopholes and lower the corporate tax rate. But most republicans refuse to remove tax loopholes without lowering the tax rate.

SoBaus

That would actually benefit the economy in my opinion. The U.S. has like the second or third worst corporate tax rate in the world.

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PolitiFact is awesome! I plan to get half of my news from it for now on. (The other half will come from ONN. :P))
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PolitiFact is awesome! I plan to get half of my news from it for now on. (The other half will come from ONN. :P))Nerkcon
I do like Politifact. CNN and Reuters are also good, IMO.
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]PolitiFact is awesome! I plan to get half of my news from it for now on. (The other half will come from ONN. :P))mattbbpl
I do like Politifact. CNN and Reuters are also good, IMO.

My choices for news as well. :)