Just had an education system idea...

Why dont we teach using books in graphic novel form? im taking a religion class at university right now, and ALL of our books are in graphic novel and comic book form. According to my professor, our brains process pictures easier than the walls of text you would see in text books, so its easier to understand when its in comic form. why arent we doing this with all classes? at least with english classes it would be more interesting to read some stories in comic book form, at the very least

What your professor said says more about today's youth than it does about graphic novels. We're becoming increasingly disinterested and less adept (physically as well as mentally) at reading. Graphic novels make it easier because we're becoming a more graphically-oriented society, not because they have some innate advantage. What really puts me over the top on this one is that there just isn't as much detail in graphic novels, you're getting a diminished learning experience. So no, I do not agree, if anything we should be insisting our children read more.

It'd be a threat to the nation if everyone was learning at such a rapid paste.

I agree with previous posters....What could work imo was a learning program between history channel and public-schools. Making relevant documentaries accessable in schools.

I think you need a strong, even, mixture of both visual and textual learning. You miss so much with just text and you miss so much with just visual, combined you get information presented two different ways.

What your professor said says more about today's youth than it does about graphic novels. We're becoming increasingly disinterested and less adept (physically as well as mentally) at reading. Graphic novels make it easier because we're becoming a more graphically-oriented society, not because they have some innate advantage. What really puts me over the top on this one is that there just isn't as much detail in graphic novels, you're getting a diminished learning experience. So no, I do not agree, if anything we should be insisting our children read more.

theone86

depends on the class. I can see philosophy or history perhaps, but try learning calc 3 with graphics...ehhh, youre pushing it. Same with literature...you cant graphic novelize a shakespeare play and hope it has the same results

Because reading stimulates your vocabulary and creative skills.

Picture books are great in kindergarten. Not so much in university.

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What your professor said says more about today's youth than it does about graphic novels. We're becoming increasingly disinterested and less adept (physically as well as mentally) at reading. Graphic novels make it easier because we're becoming a more graphically-oriented society, not because they have some innate advantage. What really puts me over the top on this one is that there just isn't as much detail in graphic novels, you're getting a diminished learning experience. So no, I do not agree, if anything we should be insisting our children read more.

PS2_ROCKS

Immunizations are unnatural too, and they've more than doubled our lifetimes. People relate better to images, but they only get a very general understand that lacks specificity. It's also far more variable for each person, given that we all fill in images with our mind. Everyone is going to get a wildly different educational experience.

Ah, yes, lowering the bar for lazy students. That's just what this country needs to stay competitive with the far East.

get rid of 2/3rd of administrative spending, give 1/3rd of those savings to teachers, give them another 1/3rd of that as a school expense account, tell parents their kids can and will fail if they dont perform up to standards and they need to get active in their kids education, and cut the remaining 1/3rd out of the budget. there is my schools plan. also kids will start trig in the 4th grade and calc in the 5th grade.

get rid of 2/3rd of administrative spending, give 1/3rd of those savings to teachers, give them another 1/3rd of that as a school expense account, tell parents their kids can and will fail if they dont perform up to standards and they need to get active in their kids education, and cut the remaining 1/3rd out of the budget. there is my schools plan. also kids will start trig in the 4th grade and calc in the 5th grade.

surrealnumber5

Yes, and watch the math scores plummet.

Do we really need to be dumbing our students down even more by providing less information to them?

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get rid of 2/3rd of administrative spending, give 1/3rd of those savings to teachers, give them another 1/3rd of that as a school expense account, tell parents their kids can and will fail if they dont perform up to standards and they need to get active in their kids education, and cut the remaining 1/3rd out of the budget. there is my schools plan. also kids will start trig in the 4th grade and calc in the 5th grade.

theone86

Yes, and watch the math scores plummet.

Do we really need to be dumbing our students down even more by providing less information to them?

worlock77

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get rid of 2/3rd of administrative spending, give 1/3rd of those savings to teachers, give them another 1/3rd of that as a school expense account, tell parents their kids can and will fail if they dont perform up to standards and they need to get active in their kids education, and cut the remaining 1/3rd out of the budget. there is my schools plan. also kids will start trig in the 4th grade and calc in the 5th grade.

surrealnumber5

Yes, and watch the math scores plummet.

I can see how one might make the argument thatscoresaren't directly proportional to competency, but how the hell do you make the argument that scores are INVERSELY proportional to competency? If children are competent in math they should be able to register decent scores, period.

And that still doesn't change the fact that if you force advanced math on kids too early it's going to hinder their development rather than improve it.

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[QUOTE="theone86"]

Yes, and watch the math scores plummet.

theone86

I can see how one might make the argument thatscoresaren't directly proportional to competency, but how the hell do you make the argument that scores are INVERSELY proportional to competency? If children are competent in math they should be able to register decent scores, period.

And that still doesn't change the fact that if you force advanced math on kids too early it's going to hinder their development rather than improve it.

and a high uniform scores is indicitave of low standards as performance tends to have a bell curve, if everyone is in the top 10%(A range) something is not right. if my standards turn out to be too high, yea i would lower them after few years to make sure the feed back is consistent.

If I'd got to university only to discover my textbooks were all comic books I actually probably really would have killed myself.

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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"] and see math competency skyrocket. i would much rather have a lot of B and C kids that know what they are doing that a slew of A students that cant count their fingers and toes, low standards for the loss

surrealnumber5

I can see how one might make the argument thatscoresaren't directly proportional to competency, but how the hell do you make the argument that scores are INVERSELY proportional to competency? If children are competent in math they should be able to register decent scores, period.

And that still doesn't change the fact that if you force advanced math on kids too early it's going to hinder their development rather than improve it.

Haven't we been over the whole judging the rest of the world by your own standards thing before? There is a whole field of psychology dedicated to studying how children and people learn, if just holding kids to higher standards worked then they would have figured that out by now. In fact, that's the oldest method in the book, just hold them to higher standards, and people have been giving it as a common-sense method since long before either of us were born. The problem is it doesn't hold up to objective scrutiny, the results are always overwhelmingly bad and the positive instances can never be reproduced with any consistency.

This is because there is something called a zone of proximal development, which basically means that children learn the fastest and retain learning the best when they are learning skills just beyond their current ones. In other words, if you go to fourth graders that are having trouble with algebra and try to teach them calculus then they are not going to get it because calculus is outside of the range of their ZPD. It's not just ability, either. If their brains are not physically developed enough they will not learn it.And finally children go through developmental stages which, if they aren't in a certain stage when you start teaching them calc, they will not be able to understand calc. If you try to force calc on them the vast majority will not get it, and you run a very real risk of making them feel inadequate and disenchanted and setting their education back even further than it was when you starting trying to teach them calc. It's just a bad idea.

If I'd got to university only to discover my textbooks were all comic books I actually probably really would have killed myself.

MissLibrarian

My reaction:

youtube.com/watch?v=35TbGjt-weA

If I'd got to university only to discover my textbooks were all comic books I actually probably really would have killed myself.

MissLibrarian

get rid of 2/3rd of administrative spending, give 1/3rd of those savings to teachers, give them another 1/3rd of that as a school expense account, tell parents their kids can and will fail if they dont perform up to standards and they need to get active in their kids education, and cut the remaining 1/3rd out of the budget. there is my schools plan. also kids will start trig in the 4th grade and calc in the 5th grade.

surrealnumber5

That's a terrible idea, OP.