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@foxhound_fox: WE DID IT
To our American friends who may not be in the know here's a Vice interview with Trudeau a few months ago. And the election platform: https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/
WE DID IT, NO MORE HARPER DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD
What does the "Liberal" party mean in Canada? How does it compare to liberals in United States? For instance, what separates you and your politics from that of your political opposition? What are some things you for the most part agree upon?
And why aren't you airdropping leaflets in the US telling us that a better world exists out there and we don't have to put up with our corrupt phony democracy?
What does the "Liberal" party mean in Canada? How does it compare to liberals in United States? For instance, what separates you and your politics from that of your political opposition? What are some things you for the most part agree upon?
And why aren't you airdropping leaflets in the US telling us that a better world exists out there and we don't have to put up with our corrupt phony democracy?
The Liberal party in the Canadian context is strictly a centre-left party and in this election they went even further left and campaigned on hardcore investment, tax hikes on the wealthy, deficit spending to spur short-term and long term growth, immediate marijuana legalization, transparency, building infrastructure, and plenty of other good things. It's hard to compare with an American context but the Liberal party are Democrats if the Democratic party was more Bernie Sanders and less Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama. They won a majority government and will get to implement pretty much ALL the campaign promises they've made (assuming they were honest). The Liberal party historically has drifted more to the centre especially during the Chretien years that tried to emulate Bill Clinton and Tony Blair but they were still a bit more leftist, like refusing to get into the Iraq War and legalizing gay marriage nation-wide in 2005, are two prominent examples I can think of.
Also, to get a sense of just how historic and monumental this victory is: the Liberal party were crushed in the 2011 election and won 34 seats - in the 2015 election they are slated to win upwards of 183. Never in Canadian history has a party in third place finished first in ONE subsequent election. It's a crazy achievement and he literally ran the perfect campaign. Trudeau also swept Atlantic Canada and won all 33 of the first 33 seats which I'm pretty sure hasn't been done in a LONG time.
@Aljosa23: what happened politically to make people change their minds after being shut out not to long ago, did they immediate regret the last major election in 2011?
@Aljosa23: what happened politically to make people change their minds after being shut out not to long ago, did they immediate regret the last major election in 2011?
Everyone got tired of Stephen Harper's antics and ugly style of governing, he was pretty much the last remaining remnant of Bush-era neo-conservatism. It was time for a change
I was expecting a closer race. I assumed Liberals would edge it out, but not a majority, and sure as hell not by this margin.
Hopefully Mr.Trudeau lives up to the hype.
Sadly, though, the damage that Stephen Harper did to Canada is almost certainly irrevocable ...
He pushed the age of consent up from 14 to 16, and it's most unlikely that anybody will have the courage to propose lowering it again.
No, let's face it: Harper basically ruined Canada as a worthwhile vacation destination. :-(
/kidding
:-P
What does the "Liberal" party mean in Canada? How does it compare to liberals in United States? For instance, what separates you and your politics from that of your political opposition? What are some things you for the most part agree upon?
And why aren't you airdropping leaflets in the US telling us that a better world exists out there and we don't have to put up with our corrupt phony democracy?
The Liberal party in the Canadian context is strictly a centre-left party and in this election they went even further left and campaigned on hardcore investment, tax hikes on the wealthy, deficit spending to spur short-term and long term growth, immediate marijuana legalization, transparency, building infrastructure, and plenty of other good things. It's hard to compare with an American context but the Liberal party are Democrats if the Democratic party was more Bernie Sanders and less Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama. They won a majority government and will get to implement pretty much ALL the campaign promises they've made (assuming they were honest). The Liberal party historically has drifted more to the centre especially during the Chretien years that tried to emulate Bill Clinton and Tony Blair but they were still a bit more leftist, like refusing to get into the Iraq War and legalizing gay marriage nation-wide in 2005, are two prominent examples I can think of.
Also, to get a sense of just how historic and monumental this victory is: the Liberal party were crushed in the 2011 election and won 34 seats - in the 2015 election they are slated to win upwards of 183. Never in Canadian history has a party in third place finished first in ONE subsequent election. It's a crazy achievement and he literally ran the perfect campaign. Trudeau also swept Atlantic Canada and won all 33 of the first 33 seats which I'm pretty sure hasn't been done in a LONG time.
That 33rd seat was a seat in Quebec which operated at a different time zone than the rest of Quebec for so odd reason.
I was completely shocked today. I never expected the Liberals to win a majority. The Atlantic Canads results were more shocking than the majority.I expected the conservatives to be a lot closer and the ndp to not lose more than half of the seats they had before dissolution, but sadly the bloc spilt the vote in that province in a lot of ridings from what I heard which hurt the NDP.The conservatives must have hurt their support in some of the places were they used to have great minority support with some of the tactics they pulled lately.It will take a long time for them to recover some of the minority support they lost in this election.
Quite shocking when our riding who usually votes conservative actually went liberal, and by quite the margin. Our entire province went red. lol
Quite shocking when our riding who usually votes conservative actually went liberal, and by quite the margin. Our entire province went red. lol
Yeah I live in the GTA and Harper swept that entirely in 2011 but look at it now, all red! Pretty crazy results still can't believe it.
What a great turn of events from 4 years ago, very welcomed indeed. Good riddance to Harper.
A lot of people are attributing it to just a simple change of leadership - the blue tide receding. But I think it's more because Trudeau and co. ran a fantastic campaign.
What does the "Liberal" party mean in Canada? How does it compare to liberals in United States? For instance, what separates you and your politics from that of your political opposition? What are some things you for the most part agree upon?
And why aren't you airdropping leaflets in the US telling us that a better world exists out there and we don't have to put up with our corrupt phony democracy?
The Liberal party in the Canadian context is strictly a centre-left party and in this election they went even further left and campaigned on hardcore investment, tax hikes on the wealthy, deficit spending to spur short-term and long term growth, immediate marijuana legalization, transparency, building infrastructure, and plenty of other good things. It's hard to compare with an American context but the Liberal party are Democrats if the Democratic party was more Bernie Sanders and less Joe Biden/Hillary Clinton/Barack Obama. They won a majority government and will get to implement pretty much ALL the campaign promises they've made (assuming they were honest). The Liberal party historically has drifted more to the centre especially during the Chretien years that tried to emulate Bill Clinton and Tony Blair but they were still a bit more leftist, like refusing to get into the Iraq War and legalizing gay marriage nation-wide in 2005, are two prominent examples I can think of.
Also, to get a sense of just how historic and monumental this victory is: the Liberal party were crushed in the 2011 election and won 34 seats - in the 2015 election they are slated to win upwards of 183. Never in Canadian history has a party in third place finished first in ONE subsequent election. It's a crazy achievement and he literally ran the perfect campaign. Trudeau also swept Atlantic Canada and won all 33 of the first 33 seats which I'm pretty sure hasn't been done in a LONG time.
The Liberal party is by no means a strictly centre left party. They move anywhere from centre left to centre to marginally right depending on the opposition and times. This is particularly true wrt fiscal policy but also occasionally on social policy and international affairs.
It is the great success of that party and also why it is simultaneously criticized for not really standing for anything.
Like all opposition parties, they will soon find out (again) that it is far easier to be the opposition than to govern and you can be certain that half their promises will never materialize. That is the circle of life in politics and not a criticism of them directly.
Also, what happened last night fairly commonly happens in Canada whether it be the Tories sweeping to power under Mulroney or Kim Campbell getting crushed. The only historic aberration was the previous election with the NDP becoming the official opposition which in itself was driven by the peculiarities of Québec. What happened last night was the restoration of the typical shift in balance... aka eliminating the NDP aberration. Also, I believe the Liberals won every seat in Atlantic Canada except one in 1993. Or if you want to look at a Blue map, go back to 1984 which was the largest landslide in Canadian history and the last time >50% voted for one party.
Business as usual is how I would sum it up. It was time for change and as usual Canada opted for the least change. This will also lead the Tories to move closer to the centre as they strayed a bit too far right because of the reform movement. Hopefully we will return to Progressive Conservative on the centre right which will lead to another 100+ yrs of going back and forth between mostly centrist parties.
Tl:dr
As long as the NDP do not govern it only matters marginally.
Wow. Congrats on ousting harper. Although now your pm looks like the guy that stars in every woman's college orientation warning video.
The Liberal party is by no means a strictly centre left party. They move anywhere from centre left to centre to marginally right depending on the opposition and times. This is particularly true wrt fiscal policy but also occasionally on social policy and international affairs.
It is the great success of that party and also why it is simultaneously criticized for not really standing for anything.
Like all opposition parties, they will soon find out (again) that it is far easier to be the opposition than to govern and you can be certain that half their promises will never materialize. That is the circle of life in politics and not a criticism of them directly.
Also, what happened last night fairly commonly happens in Canada whether it be the Tories sweeping to power under Mulroney or Kim Campbell getting crushed. The only historic aberration was the previous election with the NDP becoming the official opposition which in itself was driven by the peculiarities of Québec. What happened last night was the restoration of the typical shift in balance... aka eliminating the NDP aberration. Also, I believe the Liberals won every seat in Atlantic Canada except one in 1993. Or if you want to look at a Blue map, go back to 1984 which was the largest landslide in Canadian history and the last time >50% voted for one party.
Business as usual is how I would sum it up. It was time for change and as usual Canada opted for the least change. This will also lead the Tories to move closer to the centre as they strayed a bit too far right because of the reform movement. Hopefully we will return to Progressive Conservative on the centre right which will lead to another 100+ yrs of going back and forth between mostly centrist parties.
Tl:dr
As long as the NDP do not govern it only matters marginally.
I will concede you are right when it comes to economic policy. I do like Chretien but he's a good example of being squarely in the centre when it comes down to it. Trudeau ran a decidedly different campaign that was even more left of someone like Mulcair's NDP except perhaps on the environment and stuff like Keystone XL. We will see what happens in the coming years - it is a new generation of the Liberal party after all.
It is definitely historic in how it was won. First party to go from third to first after the beating the Grits got in 2011 and all the doomsday stories of whether or not the party is over.
I would have voted NDP like I did in the last election but Mulcair kept Angry Tom in a cage and ran a weird campaign where he got outflanked by Trudeau when it came to "Change". I am dismayed some good NDP candidates lost their seats.
Do you think this will be the last election under FPTP?
@Aljosa23: Indeed.. I really didn't think Trudeau had it in him at first but he really impressed me during the campaign.
Quite shocking when our riding who usually votes conservative actually went liberal, and by quite the margin. Our entire province went red. lol
Yeah I live in the GTA and Harper swept that entirely in 2011 but look at it now, all red! Pretty crazy results still can't believe it.
My riding went from independent to conservatives, but the liberals won 2 seats in my city which were Edmonton Centre and Edmonton Millwoods. They won the later by a measely 80 votes. That riding kept on switching between Liberals and Conservatives throught the night.It was kinda intense. It took awhile for the results for that riding to be determined.
From what I gathered he was an awesome super liberal candidate that nobody thought would win.
Am I in the ball park Canadians?
From what I gathered he was an awesome super liberal candidate that nobody thought would win.
Am I in the ball park Canadians?
Pretty much. Harper was planning to even target him before he became leader and the instant he became leader the attack ads from the conservatives started. He did get hurt for a bit earlier this year, but he recovered because of the collapse of the NDP, the stagnation/collapse of the Conservatives and running a pretty amazing campaign.
And watch him do nothing he promise like all the politicians. I didn't even bother to vote because I know nothing will change
The Liberal party is by no means a strictly centre left party. They move anywhere from centre left to centre to marginally right depending on the opposition and times. This is particularly true wrt fiscal policy but also occasionally on social policy and international affairs.
It is the great success of that party and also why it is simultaneously criticized for not really standing for anything.
Like all opposition parties, they will soon find out (again) that it is far easier to be the opposition than to govern and you can be certain that half their promises will never materialize. That is the circle of life in politics and not a criticism of them directly.
Also, what happened last night fairly commonly happens in Canada whether it be the Tories sweeping to power under Mulroney or Kim Campbell getting crushed. The only historic aberration was the previous election with the NDP becoming the official opposition which in itself was driven by the peculiarities of Québec. What happened last night was the restoration of the typical shift in balance... aka eliminating the NDP aberration. Also, I believe the Liberals won every seat in Atlantic Canada except one in 1993. Or if you want to look at a Blue map, go back to 1984 which was the largest landslide in Canadian history and the last time >50% voted for one party.
Business as usual is how I would sum it up. It was time for change and as usual Canada opted for the least change. This will also lead the Tories to move closer to the centre as they strayed a bit too far right because of the reform movement. Hopefully we will return to Progressive Conservative on the centre right which will lead to another 100+ yrs of going back and forth between mostly centrist parties.
Tl:dr
As long as the NDP do not govern it only matters marginally.
I will concede you are right when it comes to economic policy. I do like Chretien but he's a good example of being squarely in the centre when it comes down to it. Trudeau ran a decidedly different campaign that was even more left of someone like Mulcair's NDP except perhaps on the environment and stuff like Keystone XL. We will see what happens in the coming years - it is a new generation of the Liberal party after all.
It is definitely historic in how it was won. First party to go from third to first after the beating the Grits got in 2011 and all the doomsday stories of whether or not the party is over.
I would have voted NDP like I did in the last election but Mulcair kept Angry Tom in a cage and ran a weird campaign where he got outflanked by Trudeau when it came to "Change". I am dismayed some good NDP candidates lost their seats.
Do you think this will be the last election under FPTP?
Not just economic policy. War Measures Act for instance. Compare that to bill C51.
Mulcair made the mistake of not defending the left which hurt him big in Ontario, and Québec reverted to form.
Atlantic Canada and the GTA bought into the same page from Chretien's playbook regarding infrastructure. You are probably too young to remember the 93 campaign where it was all about deficit spending and infrastructure. The PCs desperately tried to defend against that line with mocking ads of guys with shovels digging holes full of money/loonies with the implication that the liberals would piss away money on pointless things. Of course, the reality is that a great deal of the promises of infrastructure are impossible to deliver because the process to envision them, select them, put them out to tender, and then execute them is longer than the lifespan of the gov't.... which all gov'ts that promise these things eventually figure out.
There is no new generation of liberals. There is not a single thing in this platform that is different from multiple platforms from the past liberals, just in my lifetime. None of this is a surprise since Canadians are decidedly centrist. Seven decades before NAFTA a Liberal Prime Minister campaigned on reciprocity... aka free trade. A decade before that a Conservative Prime Minister campaigned on infrastructure. Nothing has changed except social mores which have generally become more open minded.
Last night was historic in going from 3rd to first, yes, but not within the sense of whether the Liberals would survive. They only had 40 seats and the NDP 30 in 1984, and crazy people called them dead then too. But anyone following Canadian politics should realize we are decidedly centrist which is where the Liberals live. We just get tired of gov'ts from time to time.
I would hope that this isn't the last FPTP election since the alternative is insane in the Canadian context, unless you want to be like Italy and change the gov't more frequently than changing your clothes.
Not just economic policy. War Measures Act for instance. Compare that to bill C51.
Mulcair made the mistake of not defending the left which hurt him big in Ontario, and Québec reverted to form.
Atlantic Canada and the GTA bought into the same page from Chretien's playbook regarding infrastructure. You are probably too young to remember the 93 campaign where it was all about deficit spending and infrastructure. The PCs desperately tried to defend against that line with mocking ads of guys with shovels digging holes full of money/loonies with the implication that the liberals would piss away money on pointless things. Of course, the reality is that a great deal of the promises of infrastructure are impossible to deliver because the process to envision them, select them, put them out to tender, and then execute them is longer than the lifespan of the gov't.... which all gov'ts that promise these things eventually figure out.
There is no new generation of liberals. There is not a single thing in this platform that is different from multiple platforms from the past liberals, just in my lifetime. None of this is a surprise since Canadians are decidedly centrist. Seven decades before NAFTA a Liberal Prime Minister campaigned on reciprocity... aka free trade. A decade before that a Conservative Prime Minister campaigned on infrastructure. Nothing has changed except social mores which have generally become more open minded.
Last night was historic in going from 3rd to first, yes, but not within the sense of whether the Liberals would survive. They only had 40 seats and the NDP 30 in 1984, and crazy people called them dead then too. But anyone following Canadian politics should realize we are decidedly centrist which is where the Liberals live. We just get tired of gov'ts from time to time.
I would hope that this isn't the last FPTP election since the alternative is insane in the Canadian context, unless you want to be like Italy and change the gov't more frequently than changing your clothes.
War Measures Act was created by a Conservative though and yeah Trudeau used it over 40 years ago, at a time when the populace seemed to agree with it. Retrospectively it's disliked but in the context of the time period it's different.
Quebec also hasn't gone so decidedly Liberal since '93. I was pretty shocked they won so many seats there, as are others.
Yeah I was 1 year old in '93 and don't remember much from election campaigns until the 2000s. I think you are being a little too cynical though :P I'll be cautiously optimistic of the Trudeau Liberals as of now and a lot of it will depend on who he appoints to his cabinet in two weeks time.
I like the idea of having proportional representation but not sure how it would be implemented. Trudeau said today in his press conference this will be the last election with FPTP. What they will change it too is up in the air.
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Canada to end airstrikes in Syria and Iraq, new prime minister Trudeau says
Canadian Liberal prime minister designate Justin Trudeau has confirmed that Canada will withdraw its fighter jets from the US-led mission against Islamic State in Iraq and Syria.
In his first news conference following the sweeping majority Liberal victory in Canada’s federal election, the visibly fatigued leader said he had spoken with US president Barack Obama in a phone call during which he discussed his intention to pull Canada’s fighter jets out of the anti-Isis campaign.
“I committed that we would continue to engage in a responsible way that understands how important Canada’s role is to play in the fight against Isil, but he understands the commitments I’ve made about ending the combat mission,” Trudeau said.
He did not set out a timeline for the withdrawal.
Really simply put, Trudeau was the only candidate that seemed personable and accessible to the vast majority of youth/young adults/adults/40ish year olds and then everyone else who smoked pot.
Trudeau's campaign platform was simply to legalize marijuana and give tax breaks to the lower and middle class. Harper was seen as a robotic, unlikable neoconservative to this demographic.
If you are a straight laced, anti marijuana, older middle/upper class person who dislikes immigrants, then Trudeau is not your guy.
@Aljosa23: what happened politically to make people change their minds after being shut out not to long ago, did they immediate regret the last major election in 2011?
Michael Ignatieff was more than qualified to run the country, but he lacked the charisma to bring the people together to bring him into power. People who didn't want to vote Harper went with the NDP because Jack Layton had the charisma and credentials they wanted.
Justin is just like his father before him. A massively charismatic individual who got swept into power because of his good looks and charm.
Granted, Justin seems to have a lot of shit in place when it comes to plans for the country, and isn't just a pretty boy. But we will see in the coming months.
First up, legal weed.
Climate change is inevitable. It only goes forward.
Shit, even Canada knows America is turning into a police state. The Liberals here love totalitarianism.
This feels reminiscent of the Obama victory of 2008. I wonder if Canada should brace itself for a few years of stalemate governance and disillusions.
He's won a majority government for the next four years. If he fails to deliver meaningful change like he promised it'll be squarely his fault, and not the result of obstructionism and partisan bickering. You are right though the mood has already changed significantly. He did a press conference with the media yesterday which is something Harper never did, and already said we are backing out of any combat role in Syria.
And watch him do nothing he promise like all the politicians. I didn't even bother to vote because I know nothing will change
Politicians are alike anywhere you may live.Canada's new PM won't be any different.I didn't go to vote either. lol.
This feels reminiscent of the Obama victory of 2008. I wonder if Canada should brace itself for a few years of stalemate governance and disillusions.
Not going to happen. Majority power means he can make any change he wants and pass it right through the house.
I guarantee on November 5th (the day after he gets sworn in), marijuana will be legal in Canada.
This feels reminiscent of the Obama victory of 2008. I wonder if Canada should brace itself for a few years of stalemate governance and disillusions.
Not going to happen. Majority power means he can make any change he wants and pass it right through the house.
I guarantee on November 5th (the day after he gets sworn in), marijuana will be legal in Canada.
Looks like stuff is already on the way, and fast.
http://www.thestar.com/news/federal-election/2015/10/21/electoral-reform-looms-for-canada-trudeau-promises.html
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/politics/liberals-map-swift-overhaul-of-anti-terror-law
Poor New Democrats.
Seriously. It was their election to lose and they really dropped the ball. They'll have to rethink their strategy and find a better leader than Thomas Mulcair.
To that end, we will expand Canada’s intake of refugees from Syria by 25,000 through immediate government sponsorship. We will also work with private sponsors to accept even more. To do this, we will invest $250 million, including $100 million this fiscal year, to increase refugee processing, as well as sponsorship and settlement services capacity in Canada.
I can see he is already wasting money. Why not help end those wars so they don't have to immigrate?
To that end, we will expand Canada’s intake of refugees from Syria by 25,000 through immediate government sponsorship. We will also work with private sponsors to accept even more. To do this, we will invest $250 million, including $100 million this fiscal year, to increase refugee processing, as well as sponsorship and settlement services capacity in Canada.
I can see he is already wasting money. Why not help end those wars so they don't have to immigrate?
We are doing both.
We'll just leave the actual fighting ISIS part to others. Not our mess to clean up. Also, I'm sure it's cheaper to help out by refugees than actually getting into combat in the middle east. And the added economic benefits from adding more citizens to an economy.
To that end, we will expand Canada’s intake of refugees from Syria by 25,000 through immediate government sponsorship. We will also work with private sponsors to accept even more. To do this, we will invest $250 million, including $100 million this fiscal year, to increase refugee processing, as well as sponsorship and settlement services capacity in Canada.
I can see he is already wasting money. Why not help end those wars so they don't have to immigrate?
We are doing both.
We'll just leave the actual fighting ISIS part to others. Not our mess to clean up. Also, I'm sure it's cheaper to help out by refugees than actually getting into combat in the middle east. And the added economic benefits from adding more citizens to an economy.
lol
lol
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22730383-800-why-welcoming-more-refugees-makes-economic-sense-for-europe/
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/future-development/posts/2015/09/16-economic-impact-refugees-cali
http://globalnews.ca/news/2228972/reality-check-are-refugees-an-economic-burden/
lol
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22730383-800-why-welcoming-more-refugees-makes-economic-sense-for-europe/
http://www.brookings.edu/blogs/future-development/posts/2015/09/16-economic-impact-refugees-cali
http://globalnews.ca/news/2228972/reality-check-are-refugees-an-economic-burden/
Canada still has 7%+ unemployment, so whatever.
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