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#1 -TheSecondSign-
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Knight.

Knights have more powerful weapons with enough force to utterly destroy a katana, and are meant for battle between other samurai, not mail and plate wearings knights. but samurai more traditionally used spears in major conflict, and this is each one with their whole arsenal, which means the knight also gets his longbow, and they had some advanced bows.

No horses.

The battle takes place in an open area, with no other contestants. They are wearing all their gear, meaning both have all their primary weapons. Samurai get katanas, spears, bows etc. And knights get a two handed sword, their secondary one handed sword, and a shield, and the longbow.

The samurai is wearing samurai armor, and the knight is wearing mail and plate armor, but this knight isn't royalty or extremely wealthy, so he isn't wearing FULL plate armor.

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#2 chicken_slasher
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can i vote jack thompson?

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#3 Lorindol
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Samurai.....the sword is more effective.........most knights just hack which can lead to many openings that can be abused easily.
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Knight...no contest.
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Samurai.....the sword is more effective.........most knights just hack which can lead to many openings that can be abused easily.Lorindol

Kinda sucks that a knight's armor is far superior to anything the samurai fought against.

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ZOMBIE PIRATE NINJA!!!!!!! OMGOMGOMGOMGLOLOLOLOLOL
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Knight.
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#9 blooddemon666
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all the knight has to do is thrust his blade, then it would be game over for the samurai. the samurai's armour was specifially built to do well against slashing, not piercing.
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#10 Lorindol
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[QUOTE="Lorindol"]Samurai.....the sword is more effective.........most knights just hack which can lead to many openings that can be abused easily.TongHua

Kinda sucks that a knight's armor is far superior to anything the samurai fought against.

True, but every piece of armour has weak points.........with a broad sword you have to strike then pull to get a clean effective cut or you can stab.....a katana you are mostly forced into a slicing motion because of the curvature of the blade, but you can also stab, especially when the kissaki is shaped like a shobu zukuri

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all the knight has to do is thrust his blade, then it would be game over for the samurai. the samurai's armour was specifially built to do well against slashing, not piercing.blooddemon666

But the samurai is so quick he wouldn't even get hit by the knight. Or something.

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#13 curono
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Samurais, all the way, without contest. Knights were good warriors, but, if you take into account, their armor is something near 20kg (you can´t be quick with that, you know??). While samurais had light, but strong armors.

Even if you said that the sword of a knight presents more power, it is a real disadvantage. They were huge and slow, ment more to break armor than cutting. Katanas, on the other hand could be handled quickly (one of them weights less that 2kgs), but could handle enough power to cut a man from rib to rib (I mean literally cut him in half), or make precise cuts to slit the yugular.

A knight would have no option but surrender against a samurai, a real one.

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I forgot......how many sixes for a win......
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[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]all the knight has to do is thrust his blade, then it would be game over for the samurai. the samurai's armour was specifially built to do well against slashing, not piercing.gobo212

But the samurai is so quick he wouldn't even get hit by the knight. Or something.

both are equally encumbered by their armor.

movies/anime have over-exaggerated the samurai/ninja skills >___>

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#17 MAILER_DAEMON
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A samurai couldn't take a hit from a knight sword, but the knight would be too slow to get said hit. Katana are too good at redirection, and a good samurai can use his/her sword much, much faster than a broadsword of any kind.
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What about vikings?
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#19 gobo212
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[QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]all the knight has to do is thrust his blade, then it would be game over for the samurai. the samurai's armour was specifially built to do well against slashing, not piercing.blooddemon666

But the samurai is so quick he wouldn't even get hit by the knight. Or something.

both are equally encumbered by their armor.

movies/anime have over-exaggerated the samurai/ninja skills >___>

Yeah I know I was just trying to present the samurai's case because no one else seemed to be...

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What about vikings?Film-Guy
Sword beats axe in the weapon trinity, so no. Unless if you had flaming ships involved...
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#21 blooddemon666
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Yeah I know I was just trying to present the samurai's case because no one else seemed to be...

gobo212
luckily, not many weabos populate this board.
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The katana would break...

Oh and Samurais are just as slow as knights...

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#23 MAILER_DAEMON
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The katana would break...

Oh and Samurais are just as slow as knights...

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You don't fight a heavier sword using blocks and parries. A good samurai would redirect, which you can do with even heavy blades.
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#24 Lorindol
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The katana would break...

Oh and Samurais are just as slow as knights...

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you should look at the footage of a samurai sword versus a machine gun on youtube. And the katana is made in a way that it should absorb some of the strike, that is why one edge is hard and the other is "soft", but if he is talented he would catch the knights sword with ease against his own sword.

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[QUOTE="jointed"]

The katana would break...

Oh and Samurais are just as slow as knights...

MAILER_DAEMON

You don't fight a heavier sword using blocks and parries. A good samurai would redirect, which you can do with even heavy blades.

The katana would break against the armor. There's no chance in hell a samurai could beat a knight...they're not even on the same level.

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#26 curono
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[QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]all the knight has to do is thrust his blade, then it would be game over for the samurai. the samurai's armour was specifially built to do well against slashing, not piercing.blooddemon666

But the samurai is so quick he wouldn't even get hit by the knight. Or something.

both are equally encumbered by their armor.

movies/anime have over-exaggerated the samurai/ninja skills >___>

Not as much as you think.

Think of this

Greek armies were defeated by Roman armies. Therefore:

Gladiator/Roman warrior>>> Greek warrior.

Roman empire was taken severely damaged by Huns. Not because of their number, but because of their tactics and their skills.

Hun>>>Roman/Gladiator

Huns were real demons, but their @sses were kicked out of china by chinese warriors. Therefore:

Chinese army/Shaolin Monks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Huns

Now, japan was never invaded by china in old times, not because they didn't want that island. It is just that they were too damn hard to kill. Even japan got to invade China. They couldn't go farther because for each samurai there were too many chinese. Therefore:

Samurai>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shaolin Monks/Chinese army.

Now, if you think of it, the best warrior before gunpowder (which means before guns) is The samurai. He could, with his sword cut by half a pelvis, make extremely swift movements, and generally, made the most developed martial art ever. From their martial arts, judo, aikido, kendo taijutsu and many many other "fighting techniques were developed" (most lost many of the secrets which made this martial art so formidable), now imagine the real source of those, without loss of knowledge, and made by a real warrior!

May disagree about what I say, but, seriously, give a second thought about what I say!

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Guess it depends what kinda knight or samurai.

If a knight is skilled enough he can easily take down a samurai.

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#28 FlaminDeath
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Depends on who is smarter. The knight has the ability to completely wipe out the samurai with a good blow, but the samurai sword is so much faster that he can parry and strike.
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#29 astiop
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[QUOTE="blooddemon666"][QUOTE="gobo212"]

[QUOTE="blooddemon666"]all the knight has to do is thrust his blade, then it would be game over for the samurai. the samurai's armour was specifially built to do well against slashing, not piercing.curono

But the samurai is so quick he wouldn't even get hit by the knight. Or something.

both are equally encumbered by their armor.

movies/anime have over-exaggerated the samurai/ninja skills >___>

Not as much as you think.

Think of this

Greek armies were defeated by Roman armies. Therefore:

Gladiator/Roman warrior>>> Greek warrior.

Roman empire was taken severely damaged by Huns. Not because of their number, but because of their tactics and their skills.

Hun>>>Roman/Gladiator

Huns were real demons, but their @sses were kicked out of china by chinese warriors. Therefore:

Chinese army/Shaolin Monks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Huns

Now, japan was never invaded by china in old times, not because they didn't want that island. It is just that they were too damn hard to kill. Even japan got to invade China. They couldn't go farther because for each samurai there were too many chinese. Therefore:

Samurai>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Shaolin Monks/Chinese army.

Now, if you think of it, the best warrior before gunpowder (which means before guns) is The samurai. He could, with his sword cut by half a pelvis, make extremely swift movements, and generally, made the most developed martial art ever. From their martial arts, judo, aikido, kendo taijutsu and many many other "fighting techniques were developed" (most lost many of the secrets which made this martial art so formidable), now imagine the real source of those, without loss of knowledge, and made by a real warrior!

May disagree about what I say, but, seriously, give a second thought about what I say!

Just because one army can defeat the other it doesn't mean it had the better fighters. If that were true then, say, the spartans would never lose a war.

And on topic,

Knights. Longbows > samurai.

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There are so many different things that you would have to consider....for instance the quality of the armor and weapons, the skill, the size, the terrain, the era, and maybe a few more things.

However there is also one more things that should be taken into consideration...once a knight falls...not getting up. They had help getting on mounts and equiping their armor. So once a knight is off balance...certain death.

Also...I'm fairly certain that a samurai would know the limits of the sword...so they wouldn't blindy strike at the armor, they would perry, and use the knight's slowness to strike at the head. And if the helmet is truly guarded enough to block a stab....then they cannot see enough to know what;s going on. That was the reason they used horses...because they have a straight line of vision..therefore unable to fight with quicker foes....

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Now, if you think of it, the best warrior before gunpowder (which means before guns) is The samurai. He could, with his sword cut by half a pelvis, make extremely swift movements, and generally, made the most developed martial art ever. From their martial arts, judo, aikido, kendo taijutsu and many many other "fighting techniques were developed" (most lost many of the secrets which made this martial art so formidable), now imagine the real source of those, without loss of knowledge, and made by a real warrior!

May disagree about what I say, but, seriously, give a second thought about what I say!

curono

I'm not saying that it would be an outright war, just a one on one. many samurai duels ended up being one hit kills. partially because of skill, partially because the armour was centuries behind the blade.

Knight duels were longer, more drawn out, because their armor was meant to be nigh impenetrable. the only thing that was of great use during european times were 3 lb hammers.

Much of the lore around the samurai has been exaggerated, they were trained well, but they aren't these demigod combatants that many people believe them to be. they were about as skilled as a knight.

Knights had training, but most of thier training was in-combat. a samurai would usually train much longer than a knight before going into battle.

Also, to the person who saw the sword vs machine gun video, that was quite rigged, the chances of getting a blade at exactly 90 degrees to a bullet is near impossible. Even if the samurai could stop the round with his blade, the vibration of the blade would make it too much to hold on to. Don't beleve me? take a metal bat and hit a metal rod cemented into the ground. that would be the same effect of blocking a bullet (and that is assuming that the bullet is vaporized when blocked/deflected. not taking account the pieces of shrapnel hurdling toward the samurai's face now)

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I know the effects of the machine gun would be hard to hang on to, I just thought it was cool......

as far as training for both warriors, they each learn how to maximize the use of their weapons and make the as effective as possible. In the end it comes down to skill and brains............the one who has the better of both would most likely win.

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[QUOTE="curono"]

Now, if you think of it, the best warrior before gunpowder (which means before guns) is The samurai. He could, with his sword cut by half a pelvis, make extremely swift movements, and generally, made the most developed martial art ever. From their martial arts, judo, aikido, kendo taijutsu and many many other "fighting techniques were developed" (most lost many of the secrets which made this martial art so formidable), now imagine the real source of those, without loss of knowledge, and made by a real warrior!

May disagree about what I say, but, seriously, give a second thought about what I say!

blooddemon666

I'm not saying that it would be an outright war, just a one on one. many samurai duels ended up being one hit kills. partially because of skill, partially because the armour was centuries behind the blade.

Knight duels were longer, more drawn out, because their armor was meant to be nigh impenetrable. the only thing that was of great use during european times were 3 lb hammers.

Much of the lore around the samurai has been exaggerated, they were trained well, but they aren't these demigod combatants that many people believe them to be. they were about as skilled as a knight.

Knights had training, but most of thier training was in-combat. a samurai would usually train much longer than a knight before going into battle.

Also, to the person who saw the sword vs machine gun video, that was quite rigged, the chances of getting a blade at exactly 90 degrees to a bullet is near impossible. Even if the samurai could stop the round with his blade, the vibration of the blade would make it too much to hold on to. Don't beleve me? take a metal bat and hit a metal rod cemented into the ground. that would be the same effect of blocking a bullet (and that is assuming that the bullet is vaporized when blocked/deflected. not taking account the pieces of shrapnel hurdling toward the samurai's face now)

The piece about the sword/gun video....the point of that video isn't about it cutting the bullet...it's there to demonstrate how sterdy the katana can be. If it can cut a 50 cal bullet in half..it will not break by hitting armor...or the other way around. No one said a samurai will be cutting bullets apart to defend himself...that's just...silly.

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well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century
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Banana.Fire_Ants

I second this.

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heck, anybody with a 9mm pistol could beat a samurai today, unless you have incredibly bad aim.
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well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century chicken_slasher

How creative...

I bet 50 bucks a samurai can beat up a lawyer....

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[QUOTE="Fire_Ants"]Banana.Dopemonk736

I second this.

Wrong. Both of you. Oprah>banana>knights>samurai>

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[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century a55assin

How creative...

I bet 50 bucks a samurai can beat up a lawyer....

I'd pay 50 bucks to see that.....

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[QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century Lorindol

How creative...

I bet 50 bucks a samurai can beat up a lawyer....

I'd pay 50 bucks to see that.....

Place your bids everyone!

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lol
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#42 tzar3
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The knight, samurai used bamboo armor for christ sake, sure that would give them speed but can get killed right away.
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Situation you described-probably the knight.

longsword wielding knight in regular clothing vs katana wielding samurai in regular clothing... -probably the samurai.

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[QUOTE="Lorindol"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century a55assin

How creative...

I bet 50 bucks a samurai can beat up a lawyer....

I'd pay 50 bucks to see that.....

Place your bids everyone!

Is the lawyer a bigshot? If he is he might have some protection, like five guys with pistols.

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#45 MAILER_DAEMON
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[QUOTE="MAILER_DAEMON"][QUOTE="jointed"]

The katana would break...

Oh and Samurais are just as slow as knights...

jointed

You don't fight a heavier sword using blocks and parries. A good samurai would redirect, which you can do with even heavy blades.

The katana would break against the armor. There's no chance in hell a samurai could beat a knight...they're not even on the same level.

From what I've seen katana cut, I doubt that... besides, there were so many holes in their armor it's not even funny.
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[QUOTE="a55assin"][QUOTE="Lorindol"][QUOTE="a55assin"]

[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century -TheSecondSign-

How creative...

I bet 50 bucks a samurai can beat up a lawyer....

I'd pay 50 bucks to see that.....

Place your bids everyone!

Is the lawyer a bigshot? If he is he might have some protection, like five guys with pistols.

Jack Thompson........because we want to see it.

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[QUOTE="chicken_slasher"]well welcome to 21st century...we dont fight with swords anymore, instead we have lawsuits and drive by shootings..so lawyers probaly win in the 21st century -TheSecondSign-

How creative...

I bet 50 bucks a samurai can beat up a lawyer....

I'd pay 50 bucks to see that.....

Place your bids everyone!

Is the lawyer a bigshot? If he is he might have some protection, like five guys with pistols.

Hmmm...if this isn't an Arena match....it's an assassination. I'm not sure if a samurai can kill someone with 5 bodyguards....not without a sniper rifle.

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Lemme guess...with your Dark Sword? I beat you.

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#50 curono
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Now, if you think of it, the best warrior before gunpowder (which means before guns) is The samurai. He could, with his sword cut by half a pelvis, make extremely swift movements, and generally, made the most developed martial art ever. From their martial arts, judo, aikido, kendo taijutsu and many many other "fighting techniques were developed" (most lost many of the secrets which made this martial art so formidable), now imagine the real source of those, without loss of knowledge, and made by a real warrior!

May disagree about what I say, but, seriously, give a second thought about what I say!

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I'm not saying that it would be an outright war, just a one on one. many samurai duels ended up being one hit kills. partially because of skill, partially because the armour was centuries behind the blade.

Knight duels were longer, more drawn out, because their armor was meant to be nigh impenetrable. the only thing that was of great use during european times were 3 lb hammers.

Much of the lore around the samurai has been exaggerated, they were trained well, but they aren't these demigod combatants that many people believe them to be. they were about as skilled as a knight.

Knights had training, but most of thier training was in-combat. a samurai would usually train much longer than a knight before going into battle.

Also, to the person who saw the sword vs machine gun video, that was quite rigged, the chances of getting a blade at exactly 90 degrees to a bullet is near impossible. Even if the samurai could stop the round with his blade, the vibration of the blade would make it too much to hold on to. Don't beleve me? take a metal bat and hit a metal rod cemented into the ground. that would be the same effect of blocking a bullet (and that is assuming that the bullet is vaporized when blocked/deflected. not taking account the pieces of shrapnel hurdling toward the samurai's face now)

I agree. The knight's armor gives the benefit of hell of protection. However, the armor is so heavy, that in a fight, most combats were similar to dwarfs with hammers (you know, slow, with a pack of punch to try to BREAK the armor).

However Samurais had enough skill to cut in between the unions of armor (protection gone) Normal things were cutting wrists, arms, or feet to distract and make the kill. Even if that didn´t work, simple hand to hand fight would be enought.

Imagine this picture. The knight draws sword and prepares to give the blow. Before he could land the hit, a simple grab from the samurai (similar to aikido ones, but much fiercer and capable of breaking an arm)disarms, takes down the knight and on the floor kill kills him (with bare hands or with the sword doesn't make any difference). Even if the knight could respond on the floor, he is already lost. He would be on the floor (too heavy to move!!!) and without his only defense, the sword.

I know that Samurais were not demi gods on war. But, believe me, forgetting the hype of the samurai, they were real bastards. Some training consisted on walking/running on the snow for hours on BARE FOOT, training for 2 or 3 days without eating a single thing. They really perfected combat (until guns came into the scene :lol:)..