Legal differences between DVR recording and Pirating

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#1 Lethargika
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Just wanted some various opinions on this subject. I am completely against pirating of any sort, but yet I am having a hard time differentiating the difference between recording television shows and movies and pirating. Take for example, The Godfather is being shown on TV tonight. I pop a disk in my DVR and record it. I could just as easily have a change of mind, and just decide to download it off the internet. The end result is still the same. I have the Godfather on a disk. Where is the line drawn?

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#2 wstfld
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You can't distribute DVR recordings.
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#3 mrmusicman247
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Well The Godfather had been out since the beginning of time ( I kid, i kid) If you downloaded Black Swan off of your computer, that's a different story. However, that's more bootlegging than pirating i guess...
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#4 savebattery
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The law is concerned with the source of the file. If you recorded it on your DVR, it was sent to you by your cable company. You paid for the service and you also got the commercials which paid for the program itself. If you download it, you're making an illegal copy of a file that is being offered illegally in the first place. Not that I particularly care, because I don't believe in intellectual property. But that's how the law sees it.
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#5 markop2003
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Recording classes as fair use but only to time-shift the content, technically you're not allowed to repeatedly watch what you've recorded but no one actually enforces it.
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#6 XilePrincess
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DVRing is more just to save and watch later, you're not distributing it. It's being shown by legal means, you're just saving it to watch later. It's the same thing as tv on demand, except it involves a little more work, what with the programming to record and what not.
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#7 cd_rom
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It's a matter of permission.

Movie production companies sell rights to their movies to cable stations to show on their networks. They know full well that once it's on a cable station to the public, then it can be recorded on a DVR or DVD.

If you were to download TRON: Legacy and watch it, then you're watching it through a medium that the production companies did not want you to see it. It also means that the source file was illegally obtained somehow (someone stole it from the studio, recorded it from the theater, whatever).

Also, DVRs are for personal use. You're not distributing it to other people, but if you put the recording on a DVD and passed it off to friends, then you're pirating the movie which is illegal.

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#8 htekemerald
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There aren't any real differences.

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#9 jgraider
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What if the pirated copy has commercials in it? :shock:

Did I blow your mind?

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#10 WhiteKnight77
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It's a matter of permission.

Movie production companies sell rights to their movies to cable stations to show on their networks. They know full well that once it's on a cable station to the public, then it can be recorded on a DVR or DVD.

If you were to download TRON: Legacy and watch it, then you're watching it through a medium that the production companies did not want you to see it. It also means that the source file was illegally obtained somehow (someone stole it from the studio, recorded it from the theater, whatever).

Also, DVRs are for personal use. You're not distributing it to other people, but if you put the recording on a DVD and passed it off to friends, then you're pirating the movie which is illegal.

cd_rom

This. Also, when recording on a tape, there are fees involved that were paid so you could tape said movie for personal use.

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#11 _R34LiTY_
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You can't distribute DVR recordings. wstfld

yes, you most certainly can

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#12 ferrari2001
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You can't distribute DVR recordings. wstfld
Sure you can... It's actually very easy to remove the DVR HD, and snap it in a dock and copy the files over. It's even easier when you use an all-in-one PC as a DVR.
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#13 Fuhgeddabouditt
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[QUOTE="wstfld"]You can't distribute DVR recordings. ferrari2001
Sure you can... It's actually very easy to remove the DVR HD, and snap it in a dock and copy the files over. It's even easier when you use an all-in-one PC as a DVR.

that explains new HD shows showing up on the web minutes after they air.
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[QUOTE="ferrari2001"][QUOTE="wstfld"]You can't distribute DVR recordings. Fuhgeddabouditt
Sure you can... It's actually very easy to remove the DVR HD, and snap it in a dock and copy the files over. It's even easier when you use an all-in-one PC as a DVR.

that explains new HD shows showing up on the web minutes after they air.

I always wondered how the fudge they do that. :o