'Liberals' want to give legal non citizens voting rights in local elections.

PORTLAND, Maine —Portland residents will vote Nov. 2 on a proposal to give legal residents who are not U.S. citizens the right to vote in local elections, joining places like San Francisco and Chicago that have already loosened the rules or are considering it.

Opponents of the measure say immigrants already have an avenue to cast ballots — by becoming citizens. Allowing noncitizens to vote dilutes the meaning of citizenship, they say, adding that it could lead to fraud and unfairly sway elections...ACORN, anyone?

To become a citizen, immigrants must be a lawful permanent resident for at least five years, pass tests on English and U.S. history and government, and swear allegiance to the United States.

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Whatever happened to the great ideal of obtaining U.S. citizenship? Is there no respect for citizenship anymore?

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What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

No. Voting is only for citizens. If this is implemented, then what is the advantage of becoming a citizen? Legal residents should not have the same privilages as a citizen. You want to vote? Then the only way to do it is to become a legal citizen to show that you really want to be a part of this country.

No. Voting is only for citizens. If this is implemented, then what is the advantage of becoming a citizen? Legal residents should not have the same privilages as a citizen. You want to vote? Then the only way to do it is to become a legal citizen to show that you really want to be a part of this country.

BMD004

Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.goth_bacon

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

A municipality can allow whoever they want to vote. It does not effect you in the slightest so why do you care?

[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.Superbored

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

It's local elections, it's things that affect people on a day-to-day basis. As the article starts, "Like his neighbors, Claude Rwaganje pays taxes on his income and taxes on his cars. His children have gone to Portland's public schools. He's interested in the workings of Maine's largest city, which he has called home for 13 years." I think he should have a say in things and I have no problem with this proposal.bluezy

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[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.BMD004

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.Superbored

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

god these liberals are detroying america

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[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.BMD004

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

god these liberals are detroying america

alfredooo

What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

sSubZerOo

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What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

rragnaar

Because being honest isn't as sensational and doesn't attract as much attention.

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[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.Wiffle_Snuff

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

It was manifest destiny.

I like your sig btw.

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They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

bluezy

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What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

rragnaar

uhh im confuse how is the title is miseading.

Votings for citizens I think Illegals and legals should become one first before they can participate.Sp4rtan_3

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What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

TheShadowLord07

uhh im confuse how is the title is miseading.

[QUOTE="bluezy"][QUOTE="BMD004"] People who visit this country pay sales tax... and they aren't citizens or residents. BMD004

Do you believe that the people should have a say in how their local governance is ran and decided?

People who visit this country pay sales tax... and they aren't citizens or residents. BMD004

Bingo...good answer.:)

taxation without representation, thats sound familiar-Y2J-

[QUOTE="BMD004"] People who visit this country pay sales tax... and they aren't citizens or residents. topsemag55

Bingo...good answer.:)

Nope. Not a citizen....no vote.LJS9502_basic

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They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

VisigothSaxon

It was manifest destiny.

I like your sig btw.

Not defending any one here, but are you seriously condoning or even defending what the colonists did to the Native American population?

Am I misunderstanding something... Or is that really just the most rediculous thing to even consider? You should be a citizen to vote >_____>

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[QUOTE="bluezy"] And people who live in the country for 13 years pay income taxes. They should get at least a smidgen of a say in their own municipality.worlock77

Do you believe that the people should have a say in how their local governance is ran and decided?

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

Superbored

What about illegal immigrants? They are non-citizens as well, you want to extend voting rights to them?

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope. Not a citizen....no vote.salutations2YOU

Am I misunderstanding something... Or is that really just the most rediculous thing to even consider? You should be a citizen to vote >_____>

IcyToasters

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They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

topsemag55

What about illegal immigrants? They are non-citizens as well, you want to extend voting rights to them?

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

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[QUOTE="BMD004"] People who visit this country pay sales tax... and they aren't citizens or residents. LJS9502_basic

Bingo...good answer.:)

I'm against the measure.:P

So is BMD.

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope. Not a citizen....no vote.LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]Nope. Not a citizen....no vote.LJS9502_basic

Depends I honestly wouldn't have a problem if this were local government such as mayor.. Not state or federal.. I can see this as being a legitimate possibility some what..

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Am I misunderstanding something... Or is that really just the most rediculous thing to even consider? You should be a citizen to vote >_____>

salutations2YOU

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They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

topsemag55

What about illegal immigrants? They are non-citizens as well, you want to extend voting rights to them?

No. They're not legal citizens, like the people in this article.

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

alfredooo

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[QUOTE="BMD004"] They can get a say when they become a citizen. What makes people think that we should let people who aren't even citizens of this country to vote in our elections?

BMD004

Do you believe that the people should have a say in how their local governance is ran and decided?

So you feel that the people of local municipalities have no right to decide how their local governance is decided?

If we allow non-citizens to vote - even for just local politics, then what else will this open the door to? ... I dont agree with it. If you want to vote - no matter on how large the scale is... you should become a legalized citizen. Just because you are here illegally for 13 years - doesnt mean you get a right to do as a legal citizen would cause you havent been caught or kicked out yet. Sorry if that sounds harsh... but Illegal citizen is illegal. xhellcatx

Well put.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="salutations2YOU"]Somebody who's living there legally and is paying taxes should absolutely have a voice in municipal elections. sSubZerOo

Depends I honestly wouldn't have a problem if this were local government such as mayor.. Not state or federal.. I can see this as being a legitimate possibility some what..

It's a slippery slope to rewrite rules even on the most minor of levels....