'Liberals' want to give legal non citizens voting rights in local elections.

Agreed. I don't know why people try to be misleading with stuff like this.rragnaar

Not misleading at all, if you read the article...the measure was spearheaded by a liberal group of young voters.

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"][QUOTE="IcyToasters"]

Am I misunderstanding something... Or is that really just the most rediculous thing to even consider? You should be a citizen to vote >_____>

BMD004

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

[QUOTE="topsemag55"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] People who visit this country pay sales tax... and they aren't citizens or residents. LJS9502_basic

Bingo...good answer.:)

If we allow non-citizens to vote - even for just local politics, then what else will this open the door to? ... I dont agree with it. If you want to vote - no matter on how large the scale is... you should become a legalized citizen. Just because you are here illegally for 13 years - doesnt mean you get a right to do as a legal citizen would cause you havent been caught or kicked out yet. Sorry if that sounds harsh... but Illegal citizen is illegal. xhellcatx

This article is about legal residents, not illegal ones.

If we allow non-citizens to vote - even for just local politics, then what else will this open the door to? ... I dont agree with it. If you want to vote - no matter on how large the scale is... you should become a legalized citizen. Just because you are here illegally for 13 years - doesnt mean you get a right to do as a legal citizen would cause you havent been caught or kicked out yet. Sorry if that sounds harsh... but Illegal citizen is illegal. xhellcatx

If we allow non-citizens to vote - even for just local politics, then what else will this open the door to? ... I dont agree with it. If you want to vote - no matter on how large the scale is... you should become a legalized citizen. Just because you are here illegally for 13 years - doesnt mean you get a right to do as a legal citizen would cause you havent been caught or kicked out yet. Sorry if that sounds harsh... but Illegal citizen is illegal. xhellcatx

You do know there are NON citizens in the country that are not here illegally right? Furthermore this is a slippery slope fallacy, no politician on either side would support for non citizens to possibly decide elections on the state or national level.

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="worlock77"]

Do you believe that the people should have a say in how their local governance is ran and decided?

worlock77

So you feel that the people of local municipalities have no right to decide how their local governance is decided?

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

HUGE_Flavor

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

HUGE_Flavor

Legal residents people, legal. Christ, read before commenting.

[QUOTE="Superbored"]

[QUOTE="goth_bacon"]Absolutely not. That's a terrible idea in every way.Wiffle_Snuff

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

HUGE_Flavor

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

HUGE_Flavor

:| Reading comprehension.. This topic is about legal non citizens here on visa or green card.. Not illegals.

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

HUGE_Flavor

Hits the nail on the head.:)

[QUOTE="rragnaar"][QUOTE="sSubZerOo"]

What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

TheShadowLord07

uhh im confuse how is the title is miseading.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="BMD004"] If they are an American, then yes. If you're not an American citizen, then you have no say in American affairs.BMD004

So you feel that the people of local municipalities have no right to decide how their local governance is decided?

When I say their I'm talking about the people of Portlane, Maine. Should the people of a particular city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in their local elections?

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="salutations2YOU"]For the Presidential election I can understand, but why not vote on local matters that affect them directly?salutations2YOU

[QUOTE="HUGE_Flavor"]

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

topsemag55

Hits the nail on the head.:)

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

salutations2YOU

no? :|

you know its coming

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

[QUOTE="rragnaar"] Agreed. I don't know why people try to be misleading with stuff like this.rragnaar

uhh im confuse how is the title is miseading.

if tc is not going to edit the title. couldn't you do it? you know so people want be mislead?

[QUOTE="Wiffle_Snuff"][QUOTE="Superbored"]

They're forced to pay taxes, yet they no voice in the government?

Ryan_Kitchen

Actually most came here because there was plenty of land up for grabs. It had nothing to do with "escaping a tyrant".

This article is about legal residents, not illegal ones. worlock77

o i c. *blames illness* .. *really does tho*. *and easily confuzzled*. ... ... wait.. now im even more confused.

[QUOTE="HUGE_Flavor"]

of course they do. think about how many more votes they'll get if illegals can vote.

topsemag55

Hits the nail on the head.:)

Its pretty sad that the topic creator didn't even read the article.. Or he would note these are non citizens over here legally, not illegally.. Furthermore its based on the extremely local level.. State and national parties, democrat nor republican really could care less about this because they wouldn't have the right to vote..

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

alfredooo

no? :|

you know its coming

No it isn't and this has nothing to do with Obama, but don't let a small thing like fact keep you from making cheap non-points.

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

alfredooo

no? :|

you know its coming

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"][QUOTE="alfredooo"]

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

alfredooo

no? :|

you know its coming

:| Wow REALLY? Firstly Russian's are not communists any more nor are their population pro communist.. Furthermore the Chinese government is popular.. AND FINALLY Obama nor the democrat party are not socialists or communists.. I mean to see this kind of rhetoric 2 years in is just ridiculous.

When I say their I'm talking about the people of Portlane, Maine. Should the people of a particular city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in their local elections?worlock77

What a completely unbias and objective title to the topic. :roll:

sSubZerOo

haha my thoughts as well.

I live in a college town full of liberals and I do not know a single one that wants illegals to have voting rights

[QUOTE="IcyToasters"]

Am I misunderstanding something... Or is that really just the most rediculous thing to even consider? You should be a citizen to vote >_____>

salutations2YOU

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

alfredooo

Well for one, the title implies that ALL liberals want to give non-citizens voting rights, which isn't true, and it omits the fact that this is about local elections only. Basically, judging from the thread title alone, you'd think there was a vast liberal cabal at work trying to get a bunch of foreigners to rig the upcoming elections.rragnaar

Fine, I can change it to liberals in Maine.:P

[QUOTE="rragnaar"] Well for one, the title implies that ALL liberals want to give non-citizens voting rights, which isn't true, and it omits the fact that this is about local elections only. Basically, judging from the thread title alone, you'd think there was a vast liberal cabal at work trying to get a bunch of foreigners to rig the upcoming elections.topsemag55

Fine, I can change it to liberals in Maine.:P

next step we are letting the russians and the chinese vote in our elections and end up as a communist nation, just like Obama wants.

alfredooo

yeah obama is the devil for trying to give america what other countries already have, a decent health care system.

I already changed it.rragnaar

:lol:

I noticed that afterward.

It still isn't misleading, as the measure was spearheaded by a liberal group of young voters.

[QUOTE="worlock77"]When I say their I'm talking about the people of Portlane, Maine. Should the people of a particular city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in their local elections?BMD004

Why should the people of the city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in city elections?

[QUOTE="worlock77"]When I say their I'm talking about the people of Portlane, Maine. Should the people of a particular city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in their local elections?BMD004

[QUOTE="Ryan_Kitchen"][QUOTE="Wiffle_Snuff"] No taxation without represenation? Didn't you crazy yanks fight a war with an awesome nation over something similar? Did the settling families of America take citizenship tests when they arrived? No? Too busy killing Indians and taking their land I guess.worlock77

Actually most came here because there was plenty of land up for grabs. It had nothing to do with "escaping a tyrant".

What I don't understand is that people here are saying, "well, I think it's fine if they vote in local elections, but not in presidential elections". And why do you make that distinction between local and national elections? You're acting like there are only legal residents in Portland, Maine. Guess what, there are legal residents all over the country. If all voting districts did this, then there would be non-citizens voting all over the country.

I just don't understand why you make that distinction. Either you are for non-citizens voting, or you are against it.

[QUOTE="alfredooo"]

[QUOTE="salutations2YOU"]noworlock77

no? :|

you know its coming

No it isn't and this has nothing to do with Obama, but don't let a small thing like fact keep you from making cheap non-points.

this has everything to do with Obama. He isn't an American citizen (he was born in Kenya) and all the libs want to pass this law so he can vote for himself in the next election.

Why should the people of the city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in city elections?

worlock77

[QUOTE="BMD004"][QUOTE="worlock77"]When I say their I'm talking about the people of Portlane, Maine. Should the people of a particular city not have to right to decide who gets to vote in their local elections?bluezy

[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Ryan_Kitchen"] Someone touched a nerve... and you are calling Britain awesome, and calling us yanks? The settling families came here to escape a Tyrant and have more freedoms. Then they were taxed and they simply asked for Representations and they were told they are 'Virtual Representation' (I think thats the word). Also, is the "Too busy killing Indians and taking their land I guess." thing even necessary? You seem to assume that EVERY one in the Pre-American Nation was out to kill all the Indians and take all their land, some did. Not all took part, actually alot left them alone and wanted to let them be. Don't be sore about the Revolutionary War, it was a long time ago.Ryan_Kitchen

Actually most came here because there was plenty of land up for grabs. It had nothing to do with "escaping a tyrant".

Only a small percentage of settlers crossed the sea to escape religous persecution. As far as "tyrant", moden research has shown that King George really wasn't tyrannical at all. In fact most colonists were happy to be British subjects until they got tired of paying British taxes without having representation in the British parliment.