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#1 mingmao3046
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Unless your severely disabled (missing limbs, wounded war veteran, etc) i dont see why my hard earned dollar should be going to you.

If you can barely support yourself and your having kids maybe you should just give them up to adoption, as its obvious you dont care about them much.

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#2 Ilovegames1992
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What?

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#3 mingmao3046
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What?

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welfare
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#4 Fightingfan
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Just don't pay taxes, do everything online including banking and financing. As long as you're not in NYC or the district of Columbia you don't have to and it's LEGAL.
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#5 Ilovegames1992
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Only liberals are on the benefit system...

I'm currently on benefits and i'm not exactly liberal...

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#7 mattbbpl
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Throwing pragmatism to the wind in favor of blind anger, TC?

It would be more productive if you outlined specific policies that you'd like to discuss rather than vague Limbaugh-like assertions.
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#8 markop2003
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From a conservative perspective it's much cheaper to pay someone benefits than to imprison them because they stole food to feed themselves. The logical thing to do is to make them earn it, therefore they are less likely to become a criminal and you get something back in return, they could learn a trade too.
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Throwing pragmatism to the wind in favor of blind anger, TC?

It would be more productive if you outlined specific policies that you'd like to discuss rather than vague Limbaugh-like assertions.mattbbpl
uh, welfare? thats what im talking about
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Just don't pay taxes, do everything online including banking and financing. As long as you're not in NYC or the district of Columbia you don't have to and it's LEGAL.Fightingfan
Ever hear of income tax?
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Another ridiculous thread from mingmao.

Liberals don't want you to pay for them and most of them don't need you to pay for them. But liberals do believe that a civlized country must have a safety net. When there are children from extremely low income families that need to eat, I don't really give a sh!t about any of your ideologies.

Also, your last point is pure stupidity.

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Just don't pay taxes, do everything online including banking and financing. As long as you're not in NYC or the district of Columbia you don't have to and it's LEGAL.Fightingfan

...what?

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Throwing pragmatism to the wind in favor of blind anger, TC?

It would be more productive if you outlined specific policies that you'd like to discuss rather than vague Limbaugh-like assertions.mingmao3046
uh, welfare? thats what im talking about

Anything specific? That's a rather broad range of policies.
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Unless your severely disabled (missing limbs, wounded war veteran, etc) i dont see why my hard earned dollar should be going to you.

If you can barely support yourself and your having kids maybe you should just give them up to adoption, as its obvious you dont care about them much.

mingmao3046
I guarantee you that this liberal pays more in taxes than you do WHAT NOW, BROWN COW?
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just don't pay taxes, do everything online including banking and financing. As long as you're not in NYC or the district of Columbia you don't have to and it's LEGAL.LJS9502_basic
Ever hear of income tax?

Ways to get around that. Claim you're a relgious church and ask for the required forms. Great thing about America is you can come up with some bullsh*t religion like Jedi-ism and it'll work, well at least for a while...

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Ayn Rand?
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Another ridiculous thread from mingmao.

Liberals don't want you to pay for them and most of them don't need you to pay for them. But liberals do believe that a civlized country must have a safety net. When there are children from extremely low income families that need to eat, I don't really give a sh!t about any of your ideologies.

Also, your last point is pure stupidity.

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well there are some charities for that. but relying on the government to use other peoples money is just stupid. how is my last point stupid? if the parents actually cared about their kids then they wouldnt have them when they cant even support themselves
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"]Throwing pragmatism to the wind in favor of blind anger, TC?

It would be more productive if you outlined specific policies that you'd like to discuss rather than vague Limbaugh-like assertions.mattbbpl
uh, welfare? thats what im talking about

Anything specific? That's a rather broad range of policies.

giving out free things to low income people (or anyone in general) who are too lazy to get a job or are looking for handouts
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Just don't pay taxes, do everything online including banking and financing. As long as you're not in NYC or the district of Columbia you don't have to and it's LEGAL.Fightingfan

Ever hear of income tax?

Ways to get around that. Claim you're a relgious church and ask for the required forms. Great thing about America is you can come up with some bullsh*t religion like Jedi-ism and it'll work, well at least for a while...

You have to actually be a religious church...you just can't claim that.:|
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Another ridiculous thread from mingmao.

Liberals don't want you to pay for them and most of them don't need you to pay for them. But liberals do believe that a civlized country must have a safety net. When there are children from extremely low income families that need to eat, I don't really give a sh!t about any of your ideologies.

Also, your last point is pure stupidity.

mingmao3046

well there are some charities for that. but relying on the government to use other peoples money is just stupid. how is my last point stupid? if the parents actually cared about their kids then they wouldnt have them when they cant even support themselves

If charity could provide for people by itself, then we wouldn't need welfare programs. But the reality is that charities by themselves are no substitute for government welfare programs. There is simply too much need. I'd actually say that it's more stupid to rely on charity, which does not have the same capabilities as government.

As for the bolded section, this is a really sh!tty way of determining if a parent "cares" for their kids. Some people makes mistakes and have babies when they can't afford it, some people lack the education to avoid pregnancies, sometimes families that could afford their children are hit by financial circumstances. None of these things mean that they don't care about their kids. You are not in any position to judge if they care about their kids or not.

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#21 TwoFace-BS
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What?

Ilovegames1992
TC thinks that if you are disabled,its because you dont love your kids
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#22 mingmao3046
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Another ridiculous thread from mingmao.

Liberals don't want you to pay for them and most of them don't need you to pay for them. But liberals do believe that a civlized country must have a safety net. When there are children from extremely low income families that need to eat, I don't really give a sh!t about any of your ideologies.

Also, your last point is pure stupidity.

GreySeal9

well there are some charities for that. but relying on the government to use other peoples money is just stupid. how is my last point stupid? if the parents actually cared about their kids then they wouldnt have them when they cant even support themselves

If charity could provide for people by itself, then we wouldn't need welfare programs. But the reality is that charities by themselves are no substitute for government welfare programs. There is simply too much need. I'd actually say that it's more stupid to rely on charity, which does not have the same capabilities as government.

As for the bolded section, this is a really sh!tty way of determining if a parent "cares" for their kids. Some people makes mistakes and have babies when they can't afford it, some people lack the education to avoid pregnancies, sometimes families that could afford their children are hit by financial circumstances. None of these things mean that they don't care about their kids. You are not in any position to judge if they care about their kids or not.

There are plenty of charities and none of them are bankrupt. we have too many relying on the government. Yes it is. "lack the education to avoid pregnancy" wtf? your telling me people have never heard of "condom"? honestly? and im not talking about a family who might go on unemployment for a few months because their dad lost the job he had for years and years. Im talking about the baby momma's who are on welfare for literally the full 18 years that they have children.
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#23 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Ever hear of income tax?LJS9502_basic

Ways to get around that. Claim you're a relgious church and ask for the required forms. Great thing about America is you can come up with some bullsh*t religion like Jedi-ism and it'll work, well at least for a while...

You have to actually be a religious church...you just can't claim that.:|

I've read articles were people have done it. *googling.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

Ways to get around that. Claim you're a relgious church and ask for the required forms. Great thing about America is you can come up with some bullsh*t religion like Jedi-ism and it'll work, well at least for a while...

Fightingfan

You have to actually be a religious church...you just can't claim that.:|

I've read articles were people have done it. *googling.

You need something like 300+ members to be considered a religion

A group of people I know made a religion out of liking Fanta

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Pretty sure that America is founded on aspects of not just freedom but also kindness. People that grow up privileged will go for the every man for himself sort of thing.
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#27 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] You have to actually be a religious church...you just can't claim that.:|TwoFace-BS

I've read articles were people have done it. *googling.

You need something like 300+ members to be considered a religion

A group of people I know made a religion out of liking Fanta

Okay...but if he's employed by other than a church....he still has to pay income tax. So he'd have to give up his job and live on the Fanta money.:P
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] well there are some charities for that. but relying on the government to use other peoples money is just stupid. how is my last point stupid? if the parents actually cared about their kids then they wouldnt have them when they cant even support themselvesmingmao3046

If charity could provide for people by itself, then we wouldn't need welfare programs. But the reality is that charities by themselves are no substitute for government welfare programs. There is simply too much need. I'd actually say that it's more stupid to rely on charity, which does not have the same capabilities as government.

As for the bolded section, this is a really sh!tty way of determining if a parent "cares" for their kids. Some people makes mistakes and have babies when they can't afford it, some people lack the education to avoid pregnancies, sometimes families that could afford their children are hit by financial circumstances. None of these things mean that they don't care about their kids. You are not in any position to judge if they care about their kids or not.

There are plenty of charities and none of them are bankrupt. we have too many relying on the government. Yes it is. "lack the education to avoid pregnancy" wtf? your telling me people have never heard of "condom"? honestly? and im not talking about a family who might go on unemployment for a few months because their dad lost the job he had for years and years. Im talking about the baby momma's who are on welfare for literally the full 18 years that they have children.

Of course there are plenty of charities. That does that mean they can take on the burden that would befall them if they had to substitute for government welfare programs.

I'm not saying that they've never heard of a condom, but it is clear that less educated people tend to make less money and tend to make more babies.

Your use of the word "baby's mommas" really dimishes your credibility, but if she needs the welfare for as long as it takes her to raise her children, she is going to do what she needs to do (keep taking welfare) to keep her household alfoat and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. You gotta do what you gotta do. If she refused money that her children needed because of some ideology about not taking handouts, I would find that to be grossly irresponsible.

If you want to make people less dependent on welfare, finding ways to increase opportunities for the poor is more constructive than simply pulling the rug from under their feet.

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#29 LJS9502_basic
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GreySeal9

Hey Grey....put this thread together with his other thread and all they say is the TC is a selfish bastard.

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#30 ThumpyBowser
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[QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

What?

mingmao3046

welfare

Get over it, you want kids to starve because their mom can not find a job?

The 1%'s attitude really upsets me some times

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Then don't.
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#32 streak000
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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] uh, welfare? thats what im talking aboutmingmao3046
Anything specific? That's a rather broad range of policies.

giving out free things to low income people (or anyone in general) who are too lazy to get a job or are looking for handouts

I can't believe there are so many nasty and mean people in the US. The whole Tea Party movement and the Republican party stand for pure evil. You'd rather people starve to death or have their limbs amputated because they can't afford proper treatment than have a few of your tax dollars go towards welfare. I think that's disgusting.

For example, 'Obama care' is a perfectly normal and sensible policy, practiced in a huge majority of developed countries in the world. Here in Australia, government-subsidised healthcare and a strong welfare system are taken for granted and aren't opposed by any political party. Everyone understands it's essential and morally correct, and a much better alternative to the public selfishness and outrageous greed so unnashamedly advocated by tens of millions of Americans and encouraged by your morally bankrupt Conservative politicians.

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#33 GreySeal9
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

LJS9502_basic

Hey Grey....put this thread together with his other thread and all they say is the TC is a selfish bastard.

Pretty much.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

What?

ThumpyBowser

welfare

Get over it, you want kids to starve because their mom can not find a job?

Maybe mom doesn't want to find a job and enjoys living off those who do work because its easier

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And just to be clear here, I'm not trying to say that welfare is some kind of glorious thing and there is plenty of room for reforms to curb abuse. But people really do need it and in this country, we don't let children starve due to rigid ideologies.

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[QUOTE="ThumpyBowser"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"] welfareGreenPatchSky

Get over it, you want kids to starve because their mom can not find a job?

Maybe mom doesn't want to find a job and enjoys living off those who do work because its easier

Uh, no. Welfare is most commonly a supplement to a low income. Plenty of mothers who take welfare also work.

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are we having fun tonight TC?

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#38 coolbeans90
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Unless your severely disabled (missing limbs, wounded war veteran, etc) i dont see why my hard earned dollar should be going to you.

mingmao3046

Not exactly a major fan of welfare, myself. However, I have my doubts that you pay uncle Sam much of anything.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]

What?

ThumpyBowser

welfare

Get over it, you want kids to starve because their mom can not find a job?

The 1%'s attitude really upsets me some times

Well if you get over morals yes you let them starve. Those kids are no ones responsibility except the mother she better learn to cook squirrels. If I'm starving just let me die.

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#40 GreenPatchSky
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Unless your severely disabled (missing limbs, wounded war veteran, etc) i dont see why my hard earned dollar should be going to you.

If you can barely support yourself and your having kids maybe you should just give them up to adoption, as its obvious you dont care about them much.

xaos

I guarantee you that this liberal pays more in taxes than you do WHAT NOW, BROWN COW?

You want a cookie for not being well educated in the tax code? If it weren't for the AMT I would be paying nearly nothing at all with all my deductions.

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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Unless your severely disabled (missing limbs, wounded war veteran, etc) i dont see why my hard earned dollar should be going to you.

coolbeans90

Not exactly a major fan of welfare, myself. However, I have my doubts that you pay uncle Sam much of anything.

*struggles to hold back his snickers of amusement*

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#42 Ilovegames1992
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Wait i'm still confused as to why he's giving only liberals money.... :?

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#43 Ilovegames1992
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[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"]

Unless your severely disabled (missing limbs, wounded war veteran, etc) i dont see why my hard earned dollar should be going to you.

nocoolnamejim

Not exactly a major fan of welfare, myself. However, I have my doubts that you pay uncle Sam much of anything.

*struggles to hold back his snickers of amusement*

Snickers are funny to you? Meh i prefer Mars bars.

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why should we pay for your roads? Why should we pay for your education? why should we pay to keep you safe?

It's because we live in a society because we are Strong together. the notzi said you are not worthy of life if you cant do what they want and look how that ended.

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[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="mingmao3046"] uh, welfare? thats what im talking aboutmingmao3046
Anything specific? That's a rather broad range of policies.

giving out free things to low income people (or anyone in general) who are too lazy to get a job or are looking for handouts

I was digging deeper because, in this case, specificity is your friend.

Under the definition you've laid out, I have to assume that you include things like unemployment insurance, public school systems, social security, medicare, food stamps, etc. Many of these "provided through taxes/subsidized" programs provide society-wide benefits to all members of the society, even those who are not directly receiving the benefits of the program.

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#46 coolbeans90
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[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Anything specific? That's a rather broad range of policies.mattbbpl

giving out free things to low income people (or anyone in general) who are too lazy to get a job or are looking for handouts

I was digging deeper because, in this case, specificity is your friend.

Under the definition you've laid out, I have to assume that you include things like unemployment insurance, public school systems, social security, medicare, food stamps, etc. Many of these "provided through taxes/subsidized" programs provide society-wide benefits to all members of the society, even those who are not directly receiving the benefits of the program.

Externalities are a myth, bro.

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Ayn Rand?DroidPhysX
people are free aside from thought? i dont want to live in a society based on SOPA
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I should probably point out that the topic creator currently is unable to respond to comments.
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#49 lamprey263
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heck, why should anybody pay for your education TC?
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#50 coolbeans90
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I should probably point out that the topic creator currently is unable to respond to comments.nocoolnamejim

Talk about timing.

THIS IS WHY YOU DON'T F*CK WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT, PEOPLE.