Mad Max: Fury Road VS Terminator 2: Judgement Day

WTF

T 2 shits on Mad Max any day :P

This might be nostalgia, but T2 was epic. Id probably have to watch it again to be sure.

T2, so much it is not even funny :o

I certainly don't dislike Fury Road, but you are comparing it to a movie that makes near no missteps, with near perfect pacing, and is still entertaining as **** to watch :o

Fury road is good, but overly dependent on effects, and less on actual character development.

So I would pick T2.

If you asked between T2 and Aliens, I would be in a hard spot, but not this matchup.

Should of had a 3rd poll labled, dont care

Fury Road dependent on Effects?

It's almost entirely practical. The only effects are Furiosas arm

Both were fantastic, but fury road action scenes were amazing.

Fury Road.. I cannot stand Edward Furlong's character in Terminator 2...

@sSubZerOo: That hair. <3

I take T2 over Fury Road.

@iandizion713: Rewatched the extended version today - improves some part (e.g. call to John makes more sense) but the original cuts pacing is much better.

I agree about the CGI as well - the stuff like the storm and the steering wheel in Fury road look notably fake while even for a 1991-1992 movie time has practically untouched T2.

Mad Max: Fury Road contains 2,000 visual effects shots.^[63]

Yeah no.

T2 makes T1 look like a bad movie ...

but if you look at T2 there is nothing 'on top' of the movie itself, no patriotism, no propaganda, cops and corporations are exactly the mean and ruthless guys they are ... there is only this message about living independant and about 'world.peace' and artifical intelligents ... the 90's

Terminator 2, I loved Fury Road for being able to do a successful reboot of the Mad Max franchise, something that was certainly worrisome considering most Hollywood attempts to do similar things are just cheap shallow cash-ins, but overall still feel Terminator 2 is the better film. The action downtime in T2 is better and they construct a much better story, it's just overall a much more well rounded film, and the action is a lot more varied. Plus, Terminator 2 will no doubt stand out over time as a monumental film while Fury Road might be regarded more passively, probably depending more on how sequels to the Mad Max reboot effect the goodwill of the franchise.

The annoying 11 year old in T2 certainly knocks it down a few pegs for me, I'd rate them even.

I'm going with Fury Road. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that Fury Road did more right, I'm saying that Fury Road did less wrong.

T2's strengths are spectacular, and possibly even better than the best moments in Fury Road. But T2 gets bogged by too much "wtf" type stuff. Meanwhile, I think that Fury Road was just more consistently good.

Seriously, there is a LOT of stuff in T2 that just doesn't make sense. Well, maybe not a LOT, but definitely more than in Fury Road. In any case, T2 did far more damage to its franchise than Fury Road ever did. With Fury Road, it felt to me like still just another one of Max's adventures. It didn't **** with the "mythology." Meanwhile, T2 ****ed up the mythology of that universe royally, introducing a bunch of things that directly contradicted the previous movie, and I always got the impression that James Cameron was thinking, "who cares about continuity or logic...IT'S BADASS." And that's the exact same kind of mentality that led to the later sequels sucking.

Here's the thing: Mad Max has been on a lot of adventures, so there's zero problem just showing another Mad Max adventure. It might be a good adventure or it might be a bad adventure, but we can rest assured that all of the key elements will remain intact later on. Furthermore, MOST of the Mad Max movies (all but the first) can dismiss any inconsisencies or "wtf moments" as history being distorted by unreliable people. The first movie shows how Max became mad, but both the second and third movies CLEARLY treat Max as a legendary figure and we learn that we are viewing the story through the point of view of those who Mad Max has saved. And while Fury Road doesn't go quite that far, given the franchise's history it's very easy to view the entire movie as being later told by Furiosa. That isn't necessarily throwing logic and continuity into the wind, that's accepting that the legend is more important than the facts because it's the legend that inspires people to greatness.

By contrast, T2 really ****ed things up. The entire Terminator franchise was built on VERY specific rules. T2 then throws those rules out, with NO explanation, just because the original movie sort of rendered any sequels moot. In other words, Cameron completely threw "making sense" into the wind and deliberately discarded the very rules that define the franchise just in order to make another Terminator movie. As badass as the actual results are, I still get a little bit annoyed simply due to feeling like my intelligence is being insulted. "Doesn't make sense? Who cares? Just make it bigger and badder with more explosions, and no one will notice or care." T2 gets a little bit of a pass simply for being competent as **** despite being kind of stupid and insulting. The problem is that the later entries into the series kept with James Cameron's precedent of "being kind of stupid and insulting" and didn't have the "competent as ****" people there to transform garbage into something that's entertaining anyway. But I have to hate on T2 a little bit simply because THAT was the moment that marked when the franchise had gone off the rails. That was the precedent that led subsequent and inferior filmmakers to say, "it doesn't matter if this is stupid, just blow some stuff up real good and audiences will be too stupid to care."

More Mad Max movies? Who cares? Maybe they'll be good, maybe they'll be bad, but someone might as well give it a shot. The series lends itself to that approach. But go watch The Terminator and it was CLEARLY structured as a self contained story that was both the beginning and end of that world. Any other stories would be redundant and inconsequential without deliberately taking a giant shit on the movie that started the franchise-that-never-should-have-been-a-franchise. The reason that the Terminator franchise is shit is because everyone's trying to make another T2. So, if nothing else, at least we can't say that George Miller accidentally ran his own franchise into the ground.

Even though I'm an Aussie and probably should say MM, have to go with T2.

If it was the original Mad Max or Road Warrior, it wouldn't even be a debate for me! But Fury Road was "OK" so I gotta go with T2.

Never really like the mad max series, but the last one was pretty good, the art direction was simply masterfull.

But T2 is a masterpiece overall, the storytelling, score, acting, special effects (even for today) are simply stellar. T2 is in a whole other league than fury road. You might as well ask if pulp fiction is better than natural born killers, and then I'm really not doing natural born killers any justice with this comparison.

Fury road has amazing special effects and art direction but in the end the movie isn't 'that good'. It's good enough to fill your evening for sure, but how it got an imdb rating of 8.1 is beyond me.

As much as I like T2, it's not even my fav Arnold Action movie. I would rather watch Predator, True Lies or Commando.

That's just me though.

you realise the Terminator Franchise only became a Franchise after T2 ...

@hitomo: Which is sort of my point. The focus has very clearly shifted to "how do we make these movies" rather than "should we make these movies?" This whole franchise is based on a movie with a concept that actually rendered any sequels irrelevant. From a conceptual standpoint, there never should have been ANY of these movies after the first one. And Terminator 2 was precisely the point where everything went off the rails.

T2.

i don't understand all the love for mm. best picture nomination??!? really?

To be perfectly frank the John Connor of T2 was awful and I would have taken the T3's rendition any day.. To me T2's Connor was basically a edgier version of Star Wars EP1's Anakin.. Not to mention T2, though great, had a incredibly James Cameron formulaic ending.. Where the heroes are cornered against a superior opponent that they have to over come while wounded/hurt.. Seriously all of his bigger movies are like that.. Aliens, stuck with the queen alien in the ship with every one hurt except for a kid and a adult.. Avatar, every one is down the big bad guy is a exo suit and Jake is battling while trying to protect his real body.. Original Terminator.. Reese is heavily wounded, and the terminator is hardly injured in what seems a hopeless fight in yet another corner.. Hell even the Abyss had a similar ending in which backed into the corner the main character has to do a impossible dive to save the day in which all hope looks to be lost..

This is too hard to answer. Its like "Apples or Oranges " . No way man, they are both good.

Not sure I get the Anakin argument. Anakins a golden boy, regardless of his shitty situation he's 1 dimensional good with the only effect in the movie being practical. Getting out of Mos Eisley and blowing up a core ship by fluke.

John Conner comes across as a delinquent - basically not giving a shit about anything with litlle in the way of future prospects, but as the movie progresses he becomes the moral core effecting both Sarah Conner (who by thus point has largly thrown empathy aside) and the T-800 - pretty much commanding them.

Anakin is plot device Jesus while John Conner is a character developing as well as reactively developing other characters.

e.g. Sarah Conner originally views the machine as an evil thing to be destroyed - with John arguing otherwise:

https://youtu.be/yeL0xdVTy_g

As she watches John influence the machine her perspective begins to change:

https://youtu.be/tksN5Jaan9E

And then at the end she acknowledges the T-800 who himself now understands humanity better:

https://youtu.be/qMnWNtRGo2k

Alot more going on than "I'll try spinning that's a good trick".

I like them both and I've only seen Fury Road once. After watching T2 several times over the years it's a good movie but some of it doesn't hold up as well as the first Terminator imo. I also preferred the Road Warrior to Fury Road. I will say that they actually managed to make a decent new Road Warrior movie while every Terminator movie since T2 has been terrible.

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Terminator 2 MADE the terminator series. You're crazy.

T2 shits on Mad Max: Fury Road.

Damn that's a hard choice. I think Fury Road edges out by a tiny bit. But whole series wise, Terminator is the clear winner.

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Which is precisely the problem. This should never have been a series. The Terminator is a bleak as **** movie about people who are powerless to change anything. It's a movie in which EVERYONE (even the unstoppable killer villain) is helpless against fate and the ravages of time. This is portrayed in the final scene in which we learn that history had not been changed, Sarah Connor never had a chance of being killed, and Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese had been fated to fall in love only to be parted so shortly afterwards. Everyone in this movie is just a cog in a machine that is marching unerringly towards pain and death, but the thing to take from it is that there was love and hope even in a universe in which we are all powerless and are being pushed towards destruction.

And that's what people fail to get. The Terminator was NOT a movie about fighting killer robots from the future or changing history. It was a movie about the inevitability of death, how everything falls apart, and how love and joy still persist. It actually has more in common with something like 12 Monkeys or The Fly. Being powerless to affect any change is not a trivial matter, the entire point hinges upon the characters' weaknesses. This makes the movie less a franchise about fighting killer robots from the future, and more a single movie about characters dealing with their inevitable deaths and the fact that they will soon be parted. Those are NOT the makings of a sci-fi action franchise.

And that is precisely my beef with T2. T2 was precisely the moment where "Terminator" stopped being a bittersweet drama about the inevitability of death and the love that exists therein, and started being ABOUT fighting killer robots. T2 was the point where "Terminator" shifted from being about characters facing a problem that can't be solved, to being about how we can defeat death and overcome inherent human weakness simply by blowing up enough shit. T2 is something that simply does not belong in the world of The Terminator. T2 does not just add to The Terminator, T2 INVALIDATES The Terminator. There'd be no dramatic tension in the sequel if the Connors were powerless, and by giving the Connors power over fate that retroactively makes The Terminator completely invalid. It erases the entire point of the movie. The first movie no longer presents people coping with the inevitability of death, it just shows that they were too incompetent to change anything. That's akin to watching a chick-flick about two characters falling in love when the guy has terminal cancer, and then following it up with a sequel where the guy still has terminal cancer but somehow just gets over it because of "happy endings and stuff."

Yes, Terminator 2 "made the series". That's a problem. That's a big reason why the entire series has gone to shit after the second movie. Terminator simply does not work as a series. The very concept only lends itsself to ONE MOVIE before it starts falling apart. If the sequels stay consistent with the first movie, then there's no dramatic tension since we've already learned that everyone is doomed and no one can change anything. If the sequels rewrite the rules to say "well, now people can change things and aren't helpless", then that retroactively makes everyone in the first movie total ****-ups and changes the message to one about how they just should have lifted more weights and become better at using guns and blowing shit up.

yes, 12 Monkeys is probably the best reference of this day ... ops ... 17minutes to late ^^

I have no idea what you're talking about.

But since we're talking about 12 Monkeys...do you have any idea how stupid it would be if there had been a 12 Monkeys 2 in which that scientist lady from the future stops the virus from ever spreading? That would imply that James Cole actually could have prevented the virus, not gotten shot to death, and spent the next 40 years sipping margaritas with Kathryn Railly on a beach in the Florida Keys. For that to even be a POSSIBILITY completely ruins the whole first movie. EVERYTHING it was saying about James Cole becoming addicted to that dying world would have been rendered moot if James Cole actually had a chance of a happily-ever-after ending.

EXACT same situation with The Terminator. The first Terminator absolutely hinges on the fact that the characters are helpless and doomed. The second that T2 came along and had the Connors stop Judgement Day, it took a gigantic shit on everything that The Terminator was saying.

Is this a serious question?

Terminator 2, for sure. Every single time.

With that said, Fury Road was a hoot, a whole lot of fun! Loved how most of it was practical effects, and I just felt like a kid watching it. I was laughing with maniacal delight the whole time.

But T2? That was a game changer, it has essentially set the standard for every sci-fi action film to come. James Cameron is a demigod as far as I am concerned. Aliens is awesome, Avatar is amazing, and Terminator 2 is his crown jewel.

He really does raise the bar.

@MrGeezer: You make some good points and, as much as I hate to reference Terminator 3, that film returns the series to its roots of "all is lost, but let's keep trying anyway". I mean I hated that movie, but the sense of hopelessness really came back to the series after that.

Terminator 4 continued the trend; everyone in that film was a pawn. It was much more upbeat than T1 and T3, but still gloomy because it actually took place in this future where machines prevail.

Then came Terminator 5 (Genesys?) and it was more like Terminator 2 where we got hope again. I'm still torn on whether or not I liked that film; Sarah Connor kind of ruined it for me (yes, I know she is the dragon lady from Game of Thrones, I still think she can't act).

I mean, the whole series is like a war; some battles are lost, some are won, but the war is still going on so you just have to assume humanity is still screwed because, ultimately, every single time the future continues to be in the machines' hands.

*Wasn't "Zero Theorem" the unofficial-official sequel to 12 Monkeys?

I'm doing fine Paaji just relaxing Indy.

@mrbojangles25: Sort of liked the opening 10 minutes of Genisys where they reconstructed the first movie. After that it went to shit IMO.

Surprising read Emilia Clarke was almost 30, she looks like a little girl.

Honestly I don't remember much about it, except the opening where Kyle is in the clothes store and Sarah drives through it in a truck. And I only remember that cuz she is like "Come with me if you want to live" and I just had to laugh because I knew I was in for a fairy tale, and not a dystopian apocalyptic deathmachine nightmare like I was hoping for.

The Golden Gate bridge scene was pretty cool; I guess they saw the new Planet of the Apes movie and thought "Hey, we should do one of those" lol

T2 and T1 are two totally different movies ... even if the 'guys' suceeded in making you believe the second is somehow build up on the Events in the first one ... as you said, they are clearly not ... with this out of the way ... T1 is a horrible cheap movie and the romantic part is what really ruins it as a movie (Highway chase Scene nearing the end is one of the most laughable 'scenes' ever made ... and sarah corners actress is a totall mismfit, while she was great in the second movie ...

I dont touch MadMax, not even with a 10 meter long pole

Fury Road. T2 is a great movie, but Mad Max blows most other action movies out of the water with its sheer nonstop energy. The only other ones I've seen that come close are The Raid films, simply because the action scenes are so intense, especially in the second.

I always have to vomit when watching the raid movies ...

I think you and the person who wrote the story and what it it's about have different views. I'll side with him.

I guess that's the difference between you and I. You don't know what to think about a movie unless the director spells it out for you, whereas I actually read what the movie is saying.

In your interpretation.

It's pretty clear. At the end she records a message for her unborn son telling him that when the time comes he will need to send Kyle back to the past so that he can become his father. The entire plot exists because the future was unchangeable, the Terminator existed in a timeline where the Terminator had already failed, it was an unbreakable loop. The Terminator goes back in time to prevent a man from being born, but by doing so it is what caused that man to be born in the first place.

Could always be an unchangeable loop that a terminator gets sent to kill john when he's a teenager as well.