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#1 The-Apostle
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http://www.katu.com/news/national/Judges-overturns-conviction-in-bizarre-imposter-rape-case-185656111.html

Stupid bizarre laws that don't make sense...

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LOL How the f--- do you trick someone into having sex with you? I gotta learn that skill.
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We're supposed to be a liberal state and yet we have this archaic law. This is something you'd expect from the Southern states. I really hope legislators listen.

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#5 ghoklebutter
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Last time I checked, having sex with someone who is unconscious is rape.

Fvck those judges and that rapist. I hope this woman gets the justice she deserves.

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#6 heeweesRus
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#firstworldproblems
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We're supposed to be a liberal state and yet we have this archaic law. This is something you'd expect from the Southern states. I really hope legislators listen.

tagyhag
Exactly, because us right wingers love to promote all sorts of sexual degeneracy and predation like pornography, legalized prostitution and sodomy. Right.
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#8 Fightingfan
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Last time I checked, having sex with someone who is unconscious is rape.

Fvck those judges and that rapist. I hope this woman gets the justice she deserves.

ghoklebutter

She wasn't asleep. She simply thought he was her husband and continued to having sex with him.

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#9 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="tagyhag"]

We're supposed to be a liberal state and yet we have this archaic law. This is something you'd expect from the Southern states. I really hope legislators listen.

jcknapier711

Yes, because us right wingers love to promote all sorts of sexual degeneracy and predation like pornography, legalized prostitution and sodomy. Right.

The only kind of "sexual degeneracy" that is actually wrong is that which is nonconsensual.

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#10 jcknapier711
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Last time I checked, having sex with someone who is unconscious is rape.

Fvck those judges and that rapist. I hope this woman gets the justice she deserves.

Fightingfan

She wasn't asleep. She simply thought he was her husband and continued to having sex with him.

She thought it was her boyfriend. If she was married the rapist would be in jail. Although, I'm thinking that just might have been a typo or slight oversight on your part.
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*Reads thread title*

Damn Islamic countries!

"Opens link*

"LOS ANGELES..."

Haha, America...

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#13 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Last time I checked, having sex with someone who is unconscious is rape.

Fvck those judges and that rapist. I hope this woman gets the justice she deserves.

jcknapier711

She wasn't asleep. She simply thought he was her husband and continued to having sex with him.

She thought it was her boyfriend. If she was married the rapist would be in jail.

It's not rape legally.

The only thing that they can debate in court is that neither party gave consent verbally so they raped each other?

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#14 Communist_Soul
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Think the court should have the power to overturn laws like that when they pop up. What they did completely undermines the justice system.

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#15 jcknapier711
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="tagyhag"]

We're supposed to be a liberal state and yet we have this archaic law. This is something you'd expect from the Southern states. I really hope legislators listen.

ghoklebutter

Yes, because us right wingers love to promote all sorts of sexual degeneracy and predation like pornography, legalized prostitution and sodomy. Right.

The only kind of "sexual degeneracy" that is actually wrong is that which is nonconsensual.

Ok, so, sexual asphyxiation is perfectly normal healthy behaviour? Right. You liberals are something else.
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Initial thoughts on entering thread: "I wonder what backwards ass third world country this is" After opening the link: "Oh...well damn"
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#17 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] Yes, because us right wingers love to promote all sorts of sexual degeneracy and predation like pornography, legalized prostitution and sodomy. Right.jcknapier711

The only kind of "sexual degeneracy" that is actually wrong is that which is nonconsensual.

Ok, so, sexual asphyxiation is perfectly normal healthy behaviour? Right. You liberals are something else.

Some girls like being choked.

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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] Yes, because us right wingers love to promote all sorts of sexual degeneracy and predation like pornography, legalized prostitution and sodomy. Right.jcknapier711

The only kind of "sexual degeneracy" that is actually wrong is that which is nonconsensual.

Ok, so, sexual asphyxiation is perfectly normal healthy behaviour? Right. You liberals are something else.

Normal and healthy? Obviously not. But it's none of my business so long as everyone involved consents to the activity.
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#firstworldproblemsheeweesRus

WTF?

Exactly, because us right wingers love to promote all sorts of sexual degeneracy and predation like pornography, legalized prostitution and sodomy. Right.jcknapier711

Seriously, WTF?

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#20 jcknapier711
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] She wasn't asleep. She simply thought he was her husband and continued to having sex with him.Fightingfan
She thought it was her boyfriend. If she was married the rapist would be in jail.

It's not rape legally. The only thing that they can debate in court is that neither party gave consent verbally so they raped each other? http://www.pandys.org/whatisrape.html

Well, I say it was rape because she consented to have sex with her boyfriend, not some other guy. Now, unless she thought she was having sex with him, and not her boyfriend, which I really doubt was the case, he did in fact rape her. Maybe the subtleties of the law disagree with me, but that's another story.
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#firstworldproblemsheeweesRus
It's pretty much impossible to tell if you're joking. If I were raped in my sleep and my attacker got away with it, I probably wouldn't think of that as a "first world problem."
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

The only kind of "sexual degeneracy" that is actually wrong is that which is nonconsensual.

Fightingfan

Ok, so, sexual asphyxiation is perfectly normal healthy behaviour? Right. You liberals are something else.

Some girls like being choked.

Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.
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#24 ghoklebutter
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"Has the man committed rape? Because of historical anomalies in the law and the statutory definition of rape, the answer is no, even though, if the woman had been married and the man had impersonated her husband, the answer would be yes,"

The judge NEEDS to be castrated.

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That's quite harsh, but he certainly deserves a good 'ol slap to the face.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] Ok, so, sexual asphyxiation is perfectly normal healthy behaviour? Right. You liberals are something else.jcknapier711

Some girls like being choked.

Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.

I don't think any normal, sane human would equate sexual orientation and odd preferences with rape. You, sir, are a piece of sh*t for doing so.

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[QUOTE="heeweesRus"]#firstworldproblemsghoklebutter
It's pretty much impossible to tell if you're joking. If I were raped in my sleep and my attacker got away with it, I probably wouldn't think of that as a "first world problem."

In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...
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#27 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

Some girls like being choked.

jcknapier711
Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.

Hasty generalizations with absolutely nothing to back them up but mere personal opinion. I think erotic asphyxiation is incredibly creepy and gross, and I personally would never consent to it, but I won't give a sh!t if two people voluntarily engaged in that. In any case, legalized prostitution, sodomy, and pornography are completely benign so long as it's all consensual.
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#28 jcknapier711
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Some girls like being choked.

theone86

Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.

I don't think any normal, sane human would equate sexual orientation and odd preferences with rape. You, sir, are a piece of sh*t for doing so.

You're not going to engage in behaviour like sexual asphyxiation without some sort of hate or hostility towards the opposite sex. Same with rape. You're not going to rape someone if you don't have serious mental problems.
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]#firstworldproblemsjcknapier711
It's pretty much impossible to tell if you're joking. If I were raped in my sleep and my attacker got away with it, I probably wouldn't think of that as a "first world problem."

In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...

I hate to say it but rape happens all the time in the first world - and that includes all kinds of rape.

And it's grossly inaccurate and absurdly prejudiced to say that people in the third world regularly use rape as a way to "get laid." Most people, even outside of the first world, are not rapists.

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#30 jcknapier711
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]

Some girls like being choked.

ghoklebutter
Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.

Hasty generalizations with absolutely nothing to back them up but mere personal opinion. I think erotic asphyxiation is incredibly creepy and gross, and I personally would never consent to it, but I won't give a sh!t if two people voluntarily engaged in that. In any case, legalized prostitution, sodomy, and pornography are completely benign so long as it's all consensual.

They are anything but benign. Do you have any idea how many lives are ruined every year because of prostitution and pornography? (Which are pretty much the same thing really.) I don't think there's even ever been a fair unbias study on it. Prostitution and pornography are anything but harmless.
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#31 theone86
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="heeweesRus"]#firstworldproblemsjcknapier711
It's pretty much impossible to tell if you're joking. If I were raped in my sleep and my attacker got away with it, I probably wouldn't think of that as a "first world problem."

In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...

First of all, that's not true and you're a moron for thinking so. Second, even if the incidence of violent rape is higher in third world countries, that doesn't make other types of rape less traumatic for the victims.

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#32 jcknapier711
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] It's pretty much impossible to tell if you're joking. If I were raped in my sleep and my attacker got away with it, I probably wouldn't think of that as a "first world problem."ghoklebutter

In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...

I hate to say it but rape happens all the time in the first world - and that includes all kinds of rape.

And it's grossly inaccurate and absurdly prejudiced to say that people in the third world regularly use rape as a way to "get laid." Most people, even outside of the first world, are not rapists.

Why don't you look up statistics in Africa? It's so prevalent, it's "normal." "It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[87] One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=875
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.jcknapier711

I don't think any normal, sane human would equate sexual orientation and odd preferences with rape. You, sir, are a piece of sh*t for doing so.

You're not going to engage in behaviour like sexual asphyxiation without some sort of hate or hostility towards the opposite sex. Same with rape. You're not going to rape someone if you don't have serious mental problems.

You don't have to be mentally ill in order to be a rapist, although that doesn't mean that rape is, by any stretch of the imagination, acceptable.

And again, you have no reason to assert that only sexist people like erotic asphyxiation. Your assumptions are based on nothing but half-baked judgments arising from emotionally-charged personal opinion.

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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] It's pretty much impossible to tell if you're joking. If I were raped in my sleep and my attacker got away with it, I probably wouldn't think of that as a "first world problem."theone86

In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...

First of all, that's not true and you're a moron for thinking so. Second, even if the incidence of violent rape is higher in third world countries, that doesn't make other types of rape less traumatic for the victims.

I'm done arguing with you people. You just have an agenda and you don't want to have any open honest discussion. You just want to shove your liberalism down my throat.
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#35 ghoklebutter
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[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...jcknapier711

I hate to say it but rape happens all the time in the first world - and that includes all kinds of rape.

And it's grossly inaccurate and absurdly prejudiced to say that people in the third world regularly use rape as a way to "get laid." Most people, even outside of the first world, are not rapists.

Why don't you look up statistics in Africa? It's so prevalent, it's "normal." "It is estimated that a woman born in South Africa has a greater chance of being raped than learning how to read.[87] One in three of the 4,000 women questioned by the Community of Information, Empowerment and Transparency said they had been raped in the past year." http://www.rape.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=875

I know about the rape epidemic in South Africa. But that still doesn't show that most people in the third world are rapists. Serial rapists exist, too, you know.
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#36 jcknapier711
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You don't have to be mentally ill in order to be a rapist

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Wow, you really are a effin moron. I'm not saying that to insult you, I'm just making an observation.
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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.jcknapier711

I don't think any normal, sane human would equate sexual orientation and odd preferences with rape. You, sir, are a piece of sh*t for doing so.

You're not going to engage in behaviour like sexual asphyxiation without some sort of hate or hostility towards the opposite sex. Same with rape. You're not going to rape someone if you don't have serious mental problems.

Yes, people will engage in sexual apyxiation without serious mental problems. There may be a portion of people who engage in it that have what are called paraphilias, but even then it's nowhere equivalent to rape. You also equated sexual orientation with both, and that is not only ignorant but hateful.

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[QUOTE="jcknapier711"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="jcknapier711"] Maybe they like it, but they're still engaging in repulsive behaviour. I really don't believe any normal, sane human would consent to such an act. Anyone who does, has serious mental problems and is engaging in degenerate behaviour.

Hasty generalizations with absolutely nothing to back them up but mere personal opinion. I think erotic asphyxiation is incredibly creepy and gross, and I personally would never consent to it, but I won't give a sh!t if two people voluntarily engaged in that. In any case, legalized prostitution, sodomy, and pornography are completely benign so long as it's all consensual.

They are anything but benign. Do you have any idea how many lives are ruined every year because of prostitution and pornography? (Which are pretty much the same thing really.) I don't think there's even ever been a fair unbias study on it. Prostitution and pornography are anything but harmless.

I know that many sex workers are coerced into prostitution, and it's heartbreaking. That doesn't mean prostitution itself is to blame, however. Rather, the exploitation of women and girls is the real problem. The only pornography that actually harms people is the kind that involves nonconsensual activity (e.g. the people filmed were coerced into sexual activity).
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[QUOTE="theone86"]

[QUOTE="jcknapier711"] In the third world, they just rape you whether you're awake or not. In fact, it's perfectly "normal" and that's just how they "get laid" over there...jcknapier711

First of all, that's not true and you're a moron for thinking so. Second, even if the incidence of violent rape is higher in third world countries, that doesn't make other types of rape less traumatic for the victims.

I'm done arguing with you people. You just have an agenda and you don't want to have any open honest discussion. You just want to shove your liberalism down my throat.

I want you to stop making ridiculously stupid statements that denigrate entire regions and differently oriented individuals just because of your own personal prejudices.

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You just want to shove your liberalism down my throat. jcknapier711

As long as you're not married it's fine.

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#41 ghoklebutter
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You don't have to be mentally ill in order to be a rapist

jcknapier711
Wow, you really are a effin moron. I'm not saying that to insult you, I'm just making an observation.

I'm not insulted by your words either way because they are ridiculous. Many rapists violate their victims simply because they use it as a tool of dehumanization and subjugation. They know that rape is bad, and yet they use it for their own purposes. Such a mindset need not depend on mental illness. If you understand what mental illness actually is, you will understand my point.
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I'm done arguing with you people. You just have an agenda and you don't want to have any open honest discussion. You just want to shove your liberalism down my throat. jcknapier711
Calling you out on your bullsh!t and criticizing your points is not the same as shoving our views down your throat. Hopefully you are mature enough to understand that.

Also, you have an agenda just like everyone else. And having an agenda does not necessarily preclude open and honest discussion. You're assuming that it does - for no good reason whatsoever.

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Religion of Paayyce!

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]LOL How the f--- do you trick someone into having sex with you? I gotta learn that skill.

I remember a while back a guy was tricking woman he met in bars into sleeping with him by telling them he was a professional basketball player, and that totally worked and the women slept with him, and they'd totally be happy with it until they Google'd the supposed name and found it wasn't the same guy, don't remember who the guy was for all I know he mopped up kids' puke at Chucky Cheese.
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#45 almoalgam
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LOL How the f--- do you trick someone into having sex with you? I gotta learn that skill. Fightingfan

do you need to?

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#46 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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That's messed up. they should really revise their laws.

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#47 LJS9502_basic
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WTF kind of judges exist in LA......
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#48 Palantas
Member since 2002 • 15329 Posts

Shenanigans. She was cheating and changed her mind.

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#49 Cataclism
Member since 2007 • 1537 Posts

"Has the man committed rape? Because of historical anomalies in the law and the statutory definition of rape, the answer is no, even though, if the woman had been married and the man had impersonated her husband, the answer would be yes,"

The judge NEEDS to be castrated.

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The judge is only following the law. The law says it isn't rape so therefore he can't accuse him of rape. He doesn't have the power to change the law. Here's another section you obviously missed:

The judge called what happened "despicable" but said the state's law left the court with no choice.

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#50 gamerguru100
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"]Initial thoughts on entering thread: "I wonder what backwards ass third world country this is" After opening the link: "Oh...well damn"

This. :lol: