Mayweather vs. Pacquiao is off: Who's To Blame?

What are your thoughts on this superfight being cancelled? Who do you think should be blamed?

They should settle the issue of who is to blame with a good old fashioned boxing match.

Really this is part of the reason boxing stinks. You don't see the Eagles and Cowboys unable to come to terms to play each other...

They should settle the issue of who is to blame with a good old fashioned boxing match.

Really this is part of the reason boxing stinks. You don't see the Eagles and Cowboys unable to come to terms to play each other...

duxup

Football stinks too in my opinion lol. I don't want to watch people getting payed to stand around for 80% of the game.

I think he is afraid to lose his unbeaten recordrawsavon

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think he is afraid to lose his unbeaten recordCrocodileNuts

It looks pretty clear that Mayweather was trying to avoid the fight. He kept coming up with new stipulations for testing and such - for outside the normal protocol. I think if he wanted to fight, it would have happened.

Pacquiao is to blame. I don't see how people blame Mayweather. He agreed to take the same test that they asked Pacquiao to take. If Pacquiao didn't have anything to hide, he should have just quit crying and agreed to the test.

[QUOTE="duxup"]

They should settle the issue of who is to blame with a good old fashioned boxing match.

Really this is part of the reason boxing stinks. You don't see the Eagles and Cowboys unable to come to terms to play each other...

shoryuken_

Football stinks too in my opinion lol. I don't want to watch people getting payed to stand around for 80% of the game.

Pacquiao is to blame. I don't see how people blame Mayweather. He agreed to take the same test that they asked Pacquiao to take. If Pacquiao didn't have anything to hide, he should have just quit crying and agreed to the test.

ownage_denied

if mayweather wasn´t scared and/or a d$%k they would´ve fought, I would say paquiao was trying to do something sneaky when he said he didn´t want to take the blood test but he was going to take a lot of other tests and would take the blood test right after the fight and some weeks before the fight

[QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think he is afraid to lose his unbeaten recordCrocodileNuts

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Pacquiao is to blame. I don't see how people blame Mayweather. He agreed to take the same test that they asked Pacquiao to take. If Pacquiao didn't have anything to hide, he should have just quit crying and agreed to the test.

rawsavon

You're blowing things way out of proportion. I could turn your question around and ask who wants to fight someone pumped up on steroids...

At arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. This shows that Mayweather was willing to negotiate but Pacquiao would not budge at all.

Pacquiao is to blame. I don't see how people blame Mayweather. He agreed to take the same test that they asked Pacquiao to take. If Pacquiao didn't have anything to hide, he should have just quit crying and agreed to the test.

ownage_denied

he said that the blood tests made him but he was willing to take one a few weeks before the fight and one right after the fight and he was also willing to take the rest of the tests but since mayweather was scared he said he wanted the blood test

I´m also thnking this could be a commercial move, well I really hope it is because even when I never watch boxing matches I would love to see that one

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Pacquiao is to blame. I don't see how people blame Mayweather. He agreed to take the same test that they asked Pacquiao to take. If Pacquiao didn't have anything to hide, he should have just quit crying and agreed to the test.

You're blowing things way out of proportion. I could turn your question around and ask who wants to fight someone pumped up on steroids...

At arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. This shows that Mayweather was willing to negotiate but Pacquiao would not budge at all.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Pacquiao is to blame. I don't see how people blame Mayweather. He agreed to take the same test that they asked Pacquiao to take. If Pacquiao didn't have anything to hide, he should have just quit crying and agreed to the test.

hyrueprince11

he said that the blood tests made him but he was willing to take one a few weeks before the fight and one right after the fight and he was also willing to take the rest of the tests but since mayweather was scared he said he wanted the blood test

I´m also thnking this could be a commercial move, well I really hope it is because even when I never watch boxing matches I would love to see that one

Do you have any idea how hard it is to detect HGH? If you did you would know that the testing Pacquiao agreed to would not detect it.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Who wants to be tested 24 hrs a day 7 days a week...even if you are in the shower, in bed, etc. -they went to arbitration and Mayweather refused to agree to what the arbitrator set forthrawsavon

You're blowing things way out of proportion. I could turn your question around and ask who wants to fight someone pumped up on steroids...

At arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. This shows that Mayweather was willing to negotiate but Pacquiao would not budge at all.

Do you know how hard it is to detect HGH? If it was easy to detect Olympic style testing wouldn't be needed.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

You're blowing things way out of proportion. I could turn your question around and ask who wants to fight someone pumped up on steroids...

At arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. This shows that Mayweather was willing to negotiate but Pacquiao would not budge at all.

Do you know how hard it is to detect HGH? If it was easy to detect Olympic style testing wouldn't be needed.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] all the analysts have said that MAYWEATHER did not agree to arbitration (have not seen it myself) and I am not blowing it out of proportion...Maywaether wanted Cycling/olympic style testing -test you anytime, anywhere...in a movie...who cares...in the shower (like Lance Armstrong)...who caresrawsavon

Do you know how hard it is to detect HGH? If it was easy to detect Olympic style testing wouldn't be needed.

No, it wouldn't :|. HGH can't be detected more than 48 hours after the last injection. I think you've been given bad information.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Do you know how hard it is to detect HGH? If it was easy to detect Olympic style testing wouldn't be needed.

ownage_denied

No, it wouldn't :|. HGH can't be detected more than 48 hours after the last injection. I think you've been given bad information.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Yes I do know...but it would still be in his blood a week or two before the fight and the day afterrawsavon

No, it wouldn't :|. HGH can't be detected more than 48 hours after the last injection. I think you've been given bad information.

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

No, it wouldn't :|. HGH can't be detected more than 48 hours after the last injection. I think you've been given bad information.

ownage_denied

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

I believe both of them to blame for being unresonable.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Not what I heard and nothing conclusive w/ a quick google search Regardless though, that would mean Mayweather is worried about HGH use that could only occur 1 - 2 weeks before fight (all the other times are being tested) -HGH is not going to do much if you only take it for 1-2 weeksrawsavon

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

I blame both of them, really. Mayweather for starting the whole nonsense about stricter blood-testing, and Pacquiao for not stepping up and saying, "I've got nothing to hide" and agreeing to it. Shame though, I was looking forward to seeing Manny beating that arrogant, conceited attitude out of Mayweather.

I don't know but its pissing me off. T

[QUOTE="CrocodileNuts"][QUOTE="rawsavon"]I think he is afraid to lose his unbeaten recordaerial6790

yea

freaking mayweather is the biggest wuss in the entire world he is one of those ragequitting people in games

lol u can laugh at this post

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Not what I heard and nothing conclusive w/ a quick google search Regardless though, that would mean Mayweather is worried about HGH use that could only occur 1 - 2 weeks before fight (all the other times are being tested) -HGH is not going to do much if you only take it for 1-2 weeksrawsavon

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Not what I heard and nothing conclusive w/ a quick google search Regardless though, that would mean Mayweather is worried about HGH use that could only occur 1 - 2 weeks before fight (all the other times are being tested) -HGH is not going to do much if you only take it for 1-2 weeksrawsavon

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

I heard the same but didn´t want to say anything because I wasnt 100% sure it was true, and that would prove mayweather is just afraid to fight

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

ownage_denied

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

I´ve heard paquiao is saying what we say and mayweather says what you say and no one knows the actual truth

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

I did a quick google search and found this. It supports what I stated earlier.

I'm not sure where you got that 1-2 weeks estimate but it's completely wrong.

Pacquiao would only agree to 3 test,one at the beginning press conference in January, one 30 days before the bout and one directly after the bout, with random unlimited urine tests.

Pacquiao could take HGH up until 2 days before any of those dates and directly after and repeat the same process.

ownage_denied

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] last arbitration i saw (heard on espn radio) was unlimited testing (Olympic **** up until a week or two (can't remember) before the fight -if that is the case, then he would be limited to only 5-12 days use...worthless in a several month training regime -this is not the initial agreement, but what was achieved through arbitration (this week) -mayweather wants unlimited throughouthyrueprince11

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

I´ve heard paquiao is saying what we say and mayweather says what you say and no one knows the actual truth

Except I post links to actually back up my stance.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] last arbitration i saw (heard on espn radio) was unlimited testing (Olympic **** up until a week or two (can't remember) before the fight -if that is the case, then he would be limited to only 5-12 days use...worthless in a several month training regime -this is not the initial agreement, but what was achieved through arbitration (this week) -mayweather wants unlimited throughoutrawsavon

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

Link

That's from January 8, 2010.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

ownage_denied

Link

That's from January 8, 2010.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] It is Mayweather that did not accept arbitration...no? -as far as I know the 14 day thing was the result of arbitration...if you have another source I will be more than happy to revise...your link was for late December though (29th), arbitration just ended this week....my only source has been ESPN radio though (listen all day at work)rawsavon

Link

That's from January 8, 2010.

Not sure if it's reliable. I just did a quick search and that was first on the list. I've been keeping up with this for a while now and I all ready knew the information that was in that link. I'll look at the site and see if any other info there is reliable and I'll also look for another source.

[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

Link

That's from January 8, 2010.

ownage_denied

Not sure if it's reliable. I just did a quick search and that was first on the list. I've been keeping up with this for a while now and I all ready knew the information that was in that link. I'll look at the site and see if any other info there is reliable and I'll also look for another source.

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="rawsavon"] Is the Bangkok Post a reliable source...asking not arguing, I have no idea -it seems very 1 sided though -and it is counter to what was said on ESPN (they claimed on ESPNradio and PTI that an arbitrator made a proposal that Mayweather refused) I am not saying that you are wrong, or that you are making it up -it is just that having to trust the Bangkok post over ESPN is a tough call The Washington post was supposed to have an article, but I could not find it -it is what Wilbon was talking about on PTI this weekrawsavon

Not sure if it's reliable. I just did a quick search and that was first on the list. I've been keeping up with this for a while now and I all ready knew the information that was in that link. I'll look at the site and see if any other info there is reliable and I'll also look for another source.

I haven't found an additional source but after looking around I do believe the Bangkok Post is reliable.

[QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

I'm sorry but just about everything in that post is wrong. As I stated earlier in response to you, at arbitration Mayweather agreed to a 14 day cutoff prior to the bout before medation began, but Pacquiao wouldn't accept it. I all ready showed what testing Pacquiao would agree to.

I think we will have to agree to disagree. The amount of wrong information you've been given is huge. Even though I've corrected some of this, you seem to push past it without even considering a change in opinion.

ownage_denied

I´ve heard paquiao is saying what we say and mayweather says what you say and no one knows the actual truth

Except I post links to actually back up my stance.

you do have a point there but as the other guy said we heard it on espn while your source is the bangkok post

[QUOTE="ownage_denied"]

[QUOTE="hyrueprince11"]

I´ve heard paquiao is saying what we say and mayweather says what you say and no one knows the actual truth

hyrueprince11

Except I post links to actually back up my stance.

you do have a point there but as the other guy said we heard it on espn while your source is the bangkok post

Show me a link to espn with that information. While I have looked and believe the Bangkok Post to be reliable, even if it wasn't saying I heard different on the radio would not refute the information there.

and they wonder why ppl is watch MMA more

Mayweather is to blame he knew he would of lost to Pacquiao. Mayweather didn't want to hurt his perfect record (Damn coward).

[QUOTE="duxup"]

They should settle the issue of who is to blame with a good old fashioned boxing match.

Really this is part of the reason boxing stinks. You don't see the Eagles and Cowboys unable to come to terms to play each other...

shoryuken_

Football stinks too in my opinion lol. I don't want to watch people getting payed to stand around for 80% of the game.

pacquiao, mayweather still wants to fight him

[QUOTE="duxup"]

They should settle the issue of who is to blame with a good old fashioned boxing match.

Really this is part of the reason boxing stinks. You don't see the Eagles and Cowboys unable to come to terms to play each other...

Football stinks too in my opinion lol. I don't want to watch people getting payed to stand around for 80% of the game.

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

Football stinks too in my opinion lol. I don't want to watch people getting payed to stand around for 80% of the game.

Bitter_Altmer

wtf?

this topic is older than u r