#MeToo :'(

Can't believe we never had a thread on this thing. What's your opinion?

It began with the right intentions, now it is somewhat misused. Sadly I don't think it will have long lasting changes =/

It just led to huge unanimous changes in congressional rules.

It’s a good thing.

I find it great. Almost all of the cases are valid, with a few rotten apples.

Only republicans who are homophobic, racist and sexist would find this movement bad. But then again, according them anything that isn't white, with a penis and christian is not worthy.

some of the stuff this hashtag has been used for seems ridiculous like
"a guy approached me at a bar and offered to buy me a drink! made me super uncomfortable #metoo" (hyperbole)

but mostly its a reckoning that has been a long time coming. just seems like there might be a few good or at least decent men that get dragged down with the genuine pieces of shit

Good intentions (though the intentions and actions should have manifested decades ago), but it's now spiraling out of control... like most movements do.

It's all good. Women finally dare to speak out, and get heard too!

Of course, there is a flip side: if we fired all white collar wife beaters and abusers in the country, the economy would be crippled, what with about 70% of the male white collar workforce being laid out.

@henrythefifth: That many huh, 70%, all white? No other race does this huh? Can you give us a link to those statistics please?

White collar, not white skin. But yes, all rapists are white men so it's all much of a muchness.

Jordan Peterson will save society.

@horgen:

totally agree

The intention is good and to a degree done good, but it's also exceptionally easy to abuse and ended up as more of a social media trend rather then something serious. After all there's nothing stopping me from making a fake social media account and fabricate claims that some random celebrity or person I dislike touched me inappropriately as a child, where upon if noticed and believed by others and possibly the media would then roll that snowball further down the hill.

Modern Day witch hunt.

^ this started out good...now just being abused... :P

I like how people feel safe to come out about sexual assault or sexual abuse. It shouldn't be stigmatized so about time. I'm a bit biased with this because I can empathize with what they're going through, but at the same time I know it's being misused and people are being crucified unjustly without due process.

The liars anger me, they really do. All they just derail the whole movement and bring us back to a state of stigmatization.

@needhealing: So you're saying that Aziz Ansari is guilty, even though he's a registered Democrat, and the woman accused should be believed because of a bad date?

Let me guess, Emma Watson has something to do with this?

I have not followed the news or movement. I am tired of the feminism movement. It’s bad enough The Last Jedi was ruined.

Exactly. It's time we focus on the REALLY important issues...like making movies you like. Who cares about other people's struggles when you can just kick back and enjoy a good movie :D

I was sexually harassed on my first non-farm job at 16. Manager lady would brush her hand against my crotch, grab my ass and flash her bewbs. 30-year-old black woman named 'Tee' Martin. But, you know...

@korvus: I remember when movies were more about being entertaining, nowadays political messages have become more focused on

@iwilson1296: And I remember when kids movies weren't full of innuendos...oh wait, they weren't ; I just didn't understand it then. Every movie is made to probe a point, whether it's political, social or otherwise.

@iwilson1296: when was this mythical time when films weren't political?

The Birth of a Nation is considered the granddaddy of cinema and that film was pretty much just an advert for the KKK.

@korvus: not every movie, it’s saddenening to me if you really believe every movie has to be political or always has to prove some kind of point.

@toast_burner: I didn’t say there were no movies with political messages that were ever made in the history of cinema, but when movies like star wars and fantasy sci fi type movies are pretty much all becoming message driven instead of trying to tell an interesting story, then it becomes lame. I like movies to escape from reality, not to be preached to. Do you think every movie is or has to be political?

agreed, and I feel bad for being negative about it, but it's pretty terrible these days.

My personal feelings are this: we've taken a crime and culture that people used to feel ashamed about, would not talk about, would not accuse anyone over...and we've turned it into a trend that everyone wants to talk about, be part of, and so forth. That's terrible, and I know pretty much everyone doesn't want to be raped or sexually assaulted, but at the same time they want to do their part for feminism (or what they think is feminism) so anything, trivial or not, is suddenly being talked about. By the current standard, I would argue that a lot more men could be coming forward too, hell I've had my ass grabbed a few times and I don't consider myself attractive.

TL;DR: the scales have been tipped against women for a long time, now they're tipped the other way instead of being balanced.

That's the real issue, isn't it? When every little thing--from a but grab in a club, to Aziz Ansari having "bad sex" no matter how mutually consensual it was--can be listed as sexual assault, it devalues the meaning of sexual assault.

I know they've started to refer to things like that as something else because people are started to get tired of it (unwelcome contact? something like that...) instead of calling is sexual assault or whatever, but still just don't list it. Pick the battles, talk about the shit that offends people's sense of right, and so on.

I think this will only end when there are as many female CEO's as male, when there are as many female politicians as male, and so on. There needs to be genuine fear in the men that do this kind of thing.

Wait, are you saying that not every movie has a message it's trying to deliver? That can't be what you're saying.

Good thing to brink this to light. Those misusing it end up looking like an ass. No one thinks every single incidence is harassment but for those that suffered it......and for those that might in the future.....it needs to be a subject.

@korvus: I was responding to you’re saying that every movie is made to prove a point, political or social or whatever. Do you understand ?

I understand what you were replying to but that still doesn't answer my question. Do you agree or disagree that every movie has a message it's trying to convey to the audience? If you agree then I don't understand what your original argument was and if you disagree...well, not sure what to say to that...

jumping in here for a moment.

what would the 'political message' of Breaking Bad be exactly?

@korvus: I’m saying that I disagree that every movie is made to prove a point,which is what you seem to believe. For example, the original ghostbusters was’t trying to prove a point ...unless it’s that giant marshmallow monsters are dangerous...but are you understanding me now?

If that is your opinion on what ghostbusters is about then yes, I completely understand you :)

@korvus: and no i don’t think that most movies (at least used to )try to get a message across, but tell a story instead, many times for entertainment purposes.

are you trying on purpose to deflect his point of original ghostbusters to then turn it into a conversation about the woman version of it in hopes of appearing honest?

No. The remake didn't even come to mind until you mentioned...thanks for making my day worse :p

Well, a lot of people will disagree with you. You mentioning Ghostbusters being a politics free movie made me think of this (and yes, I realise this is a semi overanalyzing-piss-taking series, but still). These guys will do their best to ruin any movie for you XD

Sorry, missed this one. I said "political or social or otherwise". It's right there on the post you quoted...if you can't find a single social message in Breaking Bad you were only looking at explosions....

that doesnt answer my question though.

what would the 'political message' of Breaking Bad be exactly?

I guess maybe family values because they were a married couple?

@korvus: lol ya definitely over analyzing but for comedic purposes tho so I get that

basically if a movie says 'girlfriend' or 'boyfriend' then its a political message that is promoting the idea of monogamy.

I think that is basically where this is going to end up

@tryit: I see

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Still, I'll take the bait one last time but we're going to get this thread locked for derailing...

I didn't enjoy BB so I didn't watch much of it but from the top of my head possible political messages could relate to

Gun control

Substance abuse

Glorification of power and violence

Unfair wagers

Mental health in society

How society treats undesirables

Police inefficiency

Lack of proper guidance to youth

Lack of proper rehabilitation for criminals

Gun culture

Wealth distribution

etc/etc/etc...come on man, this is not even hard...

no it doesnt.

but the one that humors me on your list is 'gun culture'

what ? because it has guns in it?

Overall, good. Though with some flaws. Most of the allegations have solid ground to stand on (e.g. Harvey Weinstein, Larry Nassar, Donald Trump, Kevin Spacey, Joel Kramer, Roy Moore), while some don't (e.g. Nolan Bushnell, Aziz Ansari, Garrison Keillor). Every allegation needs to be looked at on a case-by-case basis, rather than blanket generalizations (e.g. "they're all guilty", "they're all innocent", "lefties are rapists", "conservatives are rapists", "feminists are crazy", etc.).

@Jag85: That will never happen. You're right, though, so many of the cases are legit, and good for those people for coming forth. But I've also seen some stories that made me scratch my head and go... "huh?" It seems like the line between actual sexual assault and just uncomfortable behavior is being blurred. Which is unfortunate for those that have actually suffered some form of sexual abuse.

@tryit: Plenty of social messages in BB, from simple things like "drugs are bad" to more complex ones like the danger of too much ambition and the dangers of hyper masculine behavior (Walt definitely shows traits of being an "alpha male" and the show goes out of its way to show the negative repercussions of his behavior). The thing that so many people miss about BB is that you are not supposed to sympathize with Walt after... I'd say halfway through season 2, maybe a bit further. What starts out as a desperate attempt to provide for his family before he dies turns into an ego driven power trip. Is the show great? Yes. Is it entertaining? Absolutely. Is Walt a fantastic character that you UNDERSTAND? Yes. Is he a character that the show runners intended you to sympathize with? I'm going with a no on that one.

I love the power behind it. And yes, we need to make a change. For too long women have suffered in silence. I was shocked to discover a film producer was getting away with stuff on a massive scale (allegedly) in this day and age. Disgraceful! I thought we were better than this.

However, as some others have pointed out, it is being taken to extremes. It should not be considered abusive if a guy asks you out on a date, for example. Just politely say no, if you want.

Actually, it really annoys me when trivial things get included, as it muddies the waters, and detracts from the all too real abuse that's out there. It's the actual criminals we need to stop.

So, I'm all for the metoo campaign. It is really important.

Apparently Monica Lewinsky has spoken out on the #MeToo movement.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/monica-lewinsky-me-too-movement_us_5a940a51e4b0ee6416a51ea6

Bringing attention to the fact that it happens behind the scenes more often than not, very important. However, the majority of level headed men (and women) know that sexual assault is wrong, something that the #metoo movement seems to gloss over. I don't need a movement to let me know its wrong.

Also, do not over victimize yourself. Getting yelled at in a bus by a homeless guy doesn't make you a victim. Going to a night club and getting drunk, and then not expecting equally drunk people trying to hit on you doesn't make you a victim. Being forced to act against your will, that is the only really clear defined line. If you did something to get a part in a movie, then the line is blurred.