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#1 DeeJayInphinity
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Links: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/80beats/2008/11/11/could-mini-nuclear-reactors-power-developing-world-villages/

Hyperion's website

These mini nuclear reactors have been available for many years now but two companies, Toshiba and Hyperion, will begin to market their designs in the year 2009 and 2013 respectively.

For us in first-world countries, this is not that big of a deal. This might be used mostly by stadiums and corporations that own large offices. This is a HUGE deal for third-world countries that cannot afford to set up a huge infrastructure. It will cost in the range of 25 million and it will be very close to the area it is supplying power to so they don't have to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to set up a complicated grid that other conventional methods require.

I'm very excited about this technology. I think it has the potential to change the world. It's safe, it's dug deep into the ground and protected by a concrete shell, and there is NO way it can go supercritical or melt down.

They last for ~10 years depending on the amount of electricity you drain from it, and the waste they produce is TINY.
What do you guys think about this?
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#2 DeeJayInphinity
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Aww nobody is interested in this stuff? :(
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#3 KG86
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How much power do they generate?
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#4 rockguy92
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We were watching this in my Current Issues class last week and my teacher says this will never happen.
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How much power do they generate?KG86
The exact numbers are on the websites I linked to (25 megawatts) but they can generate enough electricity to power about 20,000 homes for ~10 years.
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I can't wait to see what we weapons we develop from this technology.

This will most certainly be used for weapons development.

Maybe it will be as awesome as the Rail Gun the Navy made.

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#7 Dark__Link
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I just hope this idea doesn't get pigeonholed into the general stereotype about nuclear technology and never see the light of day... 

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#8 Dark__Link
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I can't wait to see what we weapons we develop from this technology.

This will most certainly be used for weapons development.

Maybe it will be as awesome as the Rail Gun the Navy made.

-TheSecondSign-

Did... did you read the article? 

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#9 -TheSecondSign-
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[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I can't wait to see what we weapons we develop from this technology.

This will most certainly be used for weapons development.

Maybe it will be as awesome as the Rail Gun the Navy made.

Dark__Link

Did... did you read the article?

I skimed.

Maybe I should've read it?

Ah well, I'm tired, I just thought how badass it would be to have mini nuclear reactors.

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I can't wait to see what we weapons we develop from this technology.

This will most certainly be used for weapons development.

Maybe it will be as awesome as the Rail Gun the Navy made.

-TheSecondSign-
Hmm what do you mean by this? They do not use weapons-grade materials and they run too hot to be carried around.
We were watching this in my Current Issues class last week and my teacher says this will never happen.rockguy92
Did he/she give any reasons? There's already a waiting list for this in other countries and Hyperion needs government approval to sell this in the U.S.
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I just hope this idea doesn't get pigeonholed into the general stereotype about nuclear technology and never see the light of day... 

Dark__Link
Yes that is exactly what I am afraid of. At first I thought that even if the U.S. would not allow it between its borders, at least it could sell in other countries but the activist punks in this country are more than willing to travel around the world to stop it from being used. This is exactly what's happening with genetically-modified foods. The activists know no bounds. :(
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[QUOTE="-TheSecondSign-"]

I can't wait to see what we weapons we develop from this technology.

This will most certainly be used for weapons development.

Maybe it will be as awesome as the Rail Gun the Navy made.

DeeJayInphinity

Hmm what do you mean by this? They do not use weapons-grade materials and they run too hot to be carried around.
We were watching this in my Current Issues class last week and my teacher says this will never happen.rockguy92
Did he/she give any reasons? There's already a waiting list for this in other countries and Hyperion needs government approval to sell this in the U.S.

I should have clicked the article, because the context was sort of different. The story we were watching talked about people having these in their backyards, and he said we will have found more efficient and cheaper ways to supply energy if we do ever arrive at this point.

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Looks awesome. Nuclear energy ftw!
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So no one is concerned about the fact that the waste generated by even one of these stations will last longer than any known human civilization has ever lasted? even longer than any man-made structure has stood. And that we currently have exactly zero ways of getting rid of this toxic waste, except by storing it in man-made structures designed to last only a fraction of a fraction of the radioactive life of this waste?
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So no one is concerned about the fact that the waste generated by even one of these stations will last longer than any known human civilization has ever lasted? even longer than any man-made structure has stood. And that we currently have exactly zero ways of getting rid of this toxic waste, except by storing it in man-made structures designed to last only a fraction of a fraction of the radioactive life of this waste?HardQuor
"The waste produced after five years of operation is approximately the size of a softball and is a good candidate for fuel recycling."
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Well, better give Vault-tec a call, then
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So no one is concerned about the fact that the waste generated by even one of these stations will last longer than any known human civilization has ever lasted? even longer than any man-made structure has stood. And that we currently have exactly zero ways of getting rid of this toxic waste, except by storing it in man-made structures designed to last only a fraction of a fraction of the radioactive life of this waste?HardQuor

We'll find a way to deal with it eventually. And if it comes down to it, we can always dump it in space when the technology permits.

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[QUOTE="HardQuor"]So no one is concerned about the fact that the waste generated by even one of these stations will last longer than any known human civilization has ever lasted? even longer than any man-made structure has stood. And that we currently have exactly zero ways of getting rid of this toxic waste, except by storing it in man-made structures designed to last only a fraction of a fraction of the radioactive life of this waste?DeeJayInphinity
"The waste produced after five years of operation is approximately the size of a softball and is a good candidate for fuel recycling."

Mind showing me a nuclear waste recycling program that has been succesful? Can it handle the waste from the nuclear reactors from hundreds, possibly thousands, of these nuclear reactors? Because they plan on putting them in our backyards. literally.

Look, i'm not saying that nuclear energy is "teh devil" or anything outrageous like that, i honestly beluieve nuclear power could still be the answer to the energy crisis the world is inevitably going to face. What i'm saying that if we can't realistically handle the output of waste that these things will generate in a safe and environmentally friendly way, then it would be massively irresponsible to allow manufacturers to just start pumping 'em out and sending them off all around the globe.

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Fire 'em up! :D
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[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"][QUOTE="HardQuor"]So no one is concerned about the fact that the waste generated by even one of these stations will last longer than any known human civilization has ever lasted? even longer than any man-made structure has stood. And that we currently have exactly zero ways of getting rid of this toxic waste, except by storing it in man-made structures designed to last only a fraction of a fraction of the radioactive life of this waste?HardQuor

"The waste produced after five years of operation is approximately the size of a softball and is a good candidate for fuel recycling."

Mind showing me a nuclear waste recycling program that has been succesful? Can it handle the waste from the nuclear reactors from hundreds, possibly thousands, of these nuclear reactors? Because they plan on putting them in our backyards. literally.

Look, i'm not saying that nuclear energy is "teh devil" or anything outrageous like that, i honestly beluieve nuclear power could still be the answer to the energy crisis the world is inevitably going to face. What i'm saying that if we can't realistically handle the output of waste that these things will generate in a safe and environmentally friendly way, then it would be massively irresponsible to allow manufacturers to just start pumping 'em out and sending them off all around the globe.

I understand your concern, but there are storage facilities for nuclear waste, which I believe could hold the waste untill a permanent solution is found. This is one of those facilities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain

Overall, I think the benefits outweigh the risks.

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Can I blow em up?
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[QUOTE="HardQuor"]

[QUOTE="DeeJayInphinity"] "The waste produced after five years of operation is approximately the size of a softball and is a good candidate for fuel recycling." Tauruslink

Mind showing me a nuclear waste recycling program that has been succesful? Can it handle the waste from the nuclear reactors from hundreds, possibly thousands, of these nuclear reactors? Because they plan on putting them in our backyards. literally.

Look, i'm not saying that nuclear energy is "teh devil" or anything outrageous like that, i honestly beluieve nuclear power could still be the answer to the energy crisis the world is inevitably going to face. What i'm saying that if we can't realistically handle the output of waste that these things will generate in a safe and environmentally friendly way, then it would be massively irresponsible to allow manufacturers to just start pumping 'em out and sending them off all around the globe.

I understand your concern, but there are storage facilities for nuclear waste, which I believe could hold the waste untill a permanent solution is found. This is one of those facilities: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yucca_Mountain

Overall, I think the benefits outweigh the risks.

Yeah, i'm aware of the Yucca Mountain project. It's in my practically in my backyard, i live in Las Vegas. I think it's worth mentioning that the initial moisture tests that they ran to assure that Yucca Mountain is a dry enough environment to safely store the waste (seeing as any amount of moisture could lead to run off, and therefore possible contamination of surrounding areas and water supplies), were "inconclusive". Why? because all of their instruments suffered water damage.

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I think they are pretty cool and could help ring some 3rd world countries into the present
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Ok, great, sign me up. But my question is after the ten years do they just take out the reactor or replace the uranium? It also still seems a lttle steep in price for just ten years. Maybe if they made one last for 20 years it would be worth that price.
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#25 Tauruslink
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Ok, great, sign me up. But my question is after the ten years do they just take out the reactor or replace the uranium? It also still seems a lttle steep in price for just ten years. Maybe if they made one last for 20 years it would be worth that price. Iced_Earth_Rulz

I think they just replace the uranium...

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Yeah, i'm aware of the Yucca Mountain project. It's in my practically in my backyard, i live in Las Vegas. I think it's worth mentioning that the initial moisture tests that they ran to assure that Yucca Mountain is a dry enough environment to safely store the waste (seeing as any amount of moisture could lead to run off, and therefore possible contamination of surrounding areas and water supplies), were "inconclusive". Why? because all of their instruments suffered water damage.

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Here you goAnd here's another
As for this post.. I find that very hard to believe but you can view the list of current issues with Yucca Mountain here. Some of which include corrosion of storage materials and as you mentioned, contamination of surrounding areas.
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[QUOTE="HardQuor"]

Yeah, i'm aware of the Yucca Mountain project. It's in my practically in my backyard, i live in Las Vegas. I think it's worth mentioning that the initial moisture tests that they ran to assure that Yucca Mountain is a dry enough environment to safely store the waste (seeing as any amount of moisture could lead to run off, and therefore possible contamination of surrounding areas and water supplies), were "inconclusive". Why? because all of their instruments suffered water damage.

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Here you goAnd here's another
As for this post.. I find that very hard to believe but you can view the list of current issues with Yucca Mountain here. Some of which include corrosion of storage materials and as you mentioned, contamination of surrounding areas.

I'm not sure if you're disagreeing with me here, but I'll go ahead and make my bottom line opinion. Nuclear waste is extremely dangerous, infinitely toxic, and much longer lasting than we are. When talking about nuclear waste, our main method for getting rid of it is storage. Storage until someone comes up with a way to fix it permanently. The problem with this is that no one knows when that solution is going to come, or if it ever will, for that matter. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of years before this stuff's radioactive properties become safe. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS. No human government has ever lasted much longer than a thousand. No human structure has lasted longer than ten. Essentially, when we're talking about nuclear waste, if we're not talking about REAL solutions, we're talking strictly in unknowns.