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#1 Artekus
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Im interested in this greatly. What do you folks think?

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#3 Baranga
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But at 95% complete, Ida was so well preserved in the mud at the bottom of the volcanic lake, there is even evidence of her fur shadow and remains of her last meal.

Cool.

Inb4 future ministers etc.

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#4 MarioRPGer
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A great find, no doubt. Im not certain what kind of debate this will cause religiously but Im sure it will be heated.

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#6 GabuEx
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Cool, although I imagine there will inevitably be those claiming that there are now two missing links. :P

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#7 solid_mario
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So science is winning.
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#8 Bruin4ev3r1520
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Thats really interesting. I just wrote a report on Lucy last week. I wonder what my biological anthropology teacher will say about this
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#9 tofu-lion91
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Wow that's an interesting read :) Surely this is something to put on the news? I'm sick of hearing about MP's expenses =_=''
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#10 Hungry_bunny
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So science is winning.solid_mario
That war is end-less. It's already been said above me, but people will now ask for a transitional species between Ida and humans, and a transitional phase between monkeys and Ida before they'll call this proof. And when that is done (IF it's ever done) they'll ask for more transitional species or missing links.
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#11 HereticGamer911
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Sweet. Maybe evolution can now pass from being a SCIENTIFIC theory to a SCIENTIFIC law.
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#12 legend26
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awesome :D

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#13 GabuEx
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Sweet. Maybe evolution can now pass from being a SCIENTIFIC theory to a SCIENTIFIC law.HereticGamer911

That will never happen. A scientific law is something that merely describes a phenomenon that has been observed in nature. A scientific theory is something that is even greater: it is an explanation that accounts for many, many observations in nature, and which provides predictions which may be falsified.

Contrary to popular belief, there is nothing above "theory" in science.

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#14 VirtualAntics
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I did a bit more digging around the net, and came across the Public Library Of Science website. There's a full page journal with x-rays of the discovery.

Main site: http://www.plosone.org/home.action

Quick link to the X-Rays: (copy and paste into browser.)

http://www.plosone.org/article/slideshow.action?uri=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0005723&imageURI=info:doi/10.1371/journal.pone.0005723.g002#

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#15 howlrunner13
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I call shenanigans! :P

And nothing will ever stop the debate. As far as we Christians are concerned God can be neither proved nor disproved. Anything science claims to find is non consequential to me.

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#16 clayron
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That is certainly awesome.

It kind of reminds me of soemthing I heard about called Chuman, or Humanzee.

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#17 Engrish_Major
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Come on guys, satan put that in the ground to lead us astray from the word of god. True story.
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#18 Engrish_Major
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Anything science claims to find is non consequential to me.howlrunner13

Translation: I walk through life with my eyes closed.

Am I close?

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#19 LJS9502_basic
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So science is winning.solid_mario
science is winning what? Science is merely man's understanding of the universe. :|

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[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]Anything science claims to find is non consequential to me.Engrish_Major

Translation: I walk through life with my eyes closed.

Am I close?

Unless you can invent a time machine and go into the past and watch everything evolve, I won't believe it. You guys put alot of FAITH in your Theory of Evolution. Just like I put alot of FAITH in my religion.

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#22 stepnkev
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="solid_mario"]So science is winning.stepnkev

science is winning what? Science is merely man's understanding of the universe. :|

yep - I don't understand what Science was winning either..shrug.

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#23 SaintLeonidas
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[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Anything science claims to find is non consequential to me.howlrunner13

Translation: I walk through life with my eyes closed.

Am I close?

Unless you can invent a time machine and go into the past and watch everything evolve, I won't believe it. You guys put alot of FAITH in your Theory of Evolution. Just like I put alot of FAITH in my religion.

Faith? The Theory of Evolution has far more...far more evidence to back it then religion/god.
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#24 Engrish_Major
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[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Anything science claims to find is non consequential to me.howlrunner13

Translation: I walk through life with my eyes closed.

Am I close?

Unless you can invent a time machine and go into the past and watch everything evolve, I won't believe it. You guys put alot of FAITH in your Theory of Evolution. Just like I put alot of FAITH in my religion.

Let's not go into the differences between 'faith' in science and actual faith, which is what religion is. You don't happen to use cell phones, watch TV or use a computer, drive, fly, use electricity, use medicine and go to the doctor, do you? That way, it is easy for you to denounce science and not look like a fool...
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#25 deactivated-60678a6f9e4d4
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Score one for atheism!

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#26 howlrunner13
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[QUOTE="howlrunner13"]

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"]

Translation: I walk through life with my eyes closed.

Am I close?

Engrish_Major

Unless you can invent a time machine and go into the past and watch everything evolve, I won't believe it. You guys put alot of FAITH in your Theory of Evolution. Just like I put alot of FAITH in my religion.

Let's not go into the differences between 'faith' in science and actual faith, which is what religion is. You don't happen to use cell phones, watch TV or use a computer, drive, fly, use electricity, use medicine and go to the doctor, do you? That way, it is easy for you to denounce science and not look like a fool...

I understand the difference however poorly I conveyed what I was trying to say. I never said I denounced science. You can't change my mind and I can't change yours, so I'm not going to get into an argument with you. Calling me a fool sure was mature of you too. :roll:

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#27 sarahxox
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Remains of her last meal? WOW.

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#28 LJS9502_basic
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Score one for atheism!

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Er.....actually that is not the definition of atheist.

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#29 shoeman12
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the arguing will never end. creationists will probably claim it's faked or they need more or something. i would like to hear from more scientists about it's authenticity and see a picture.
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#30 angry_girlgamer
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Missing Link found? There'll be more 'missing links' because some people want more evidence before they re-write the bible. To me, the evolution of homo sapiens from primates over millions of years makes a hell of a lot more sense than sudden creation of everything in seven days. I had an open mind before I was subjected to both sides of this 'argument' as a youngster, and religion wasn't forced down my throat by my parents.
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#31 kakashi552
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i thought this was some joke, like "404-found" or something dumb like that.

i 'spect they'll just say "but ther is still no solid evidence of prim8 to hyumahn link"

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#32 Crushmaster
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It sounded immensely fake to me, like all of the supposed "missing links".
In Christ,
Crushmaster.

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#33 deactivated-57e5de5e137a4
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I need to see a picture. What scientists might consider a missing link, laypeople might consider just another monkey.
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#34 Ingenemployee
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I need to see a picture. What scientists might consider a missing link, laypeople might consider just another monkey.guynamedbilly

I sure as hell would prefer to trust a scientist to determine that instead of a regular person. And I believe this is the picture.

The 47 million-year-old fossilized remains of a creature are shown at a news conference at the American Museum of Natural History, Tuesday, May 19,...

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#35 Lief_Ericson
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Wow thats crazy

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#36 mindstorm
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Here is a picture of it...

link

Looks more like a opossum than a human to me but whatever...

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#37 BumFluff122
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This was originally posted on National Geographic. This is not a missing link in between chimps and humans. It is a missing link between whatever came before chimps and primates to primates. It is a step closer for those people that doubt evolution however, if I know their thinking well, they will merely say it is 'microevolution' and dismiss it as atheist propoganda.

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#38 KcurtorMas
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Interesting stuff!! I dont really have a complete understanding of such things, but i'll take you word for it, MISTER SCIENTIST...

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#39 -TheSecondSign-
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Watch it just be some freakish mutant or something, and everyone will get all worked up over nothing.

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#40 BumFluff122
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And actually if you look in wikipedia under 'Timeline of Human Evolution' you'll see this missing link is the link in between prosimians or primitive primates that ate mostly bugs and such and simians or more advanced primates.

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#41 MgamerBD
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What I don't understand is that why can't religion and science work together. I know God said he made Adam and Eve but it never said they were early primates or such.
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#42 Theokhoth
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Cool.

Or, in the language of my ancestors, "Ooh-ohh-eeh-eh-ah-oooh."

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What I don't understand is that why can't religion and science work together. I know God said he made Adam and Eve but it never said they were early primates or such.MgamerBD
I can't imagine communion or seances making many scientific breakthroughs.
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#44 BumFluff122
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What I don't understand is that why can't religion and science work together. I know God said he made Adam and Eve but it never said they were early primates or such.MgamerBD
If there is a God and scripture is correct for the most part I would say that Adam and Eve refer to the first single celled orgranisms that He created.

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#45 MgamerBD
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[QUOTE="MgamerBD"]What I don't understand is that why can't religion and science work together. I know God said he made Adam and Eve but it never said they were early primates or such.guynamedbilly
I can't imagine communion or seances making many scientific breakthroughs.

Well isn't it natural for a human to want to explore and discover. Stuff like religion never stopped us before. I'm sure a person can have a religion and be a scientist.
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#46 BlueBirdTS
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What I don't understand is that why can't religion and science work together. I know God said he made Adam and Eve but it never said they were early primates or such.MgamerBD

I used to hold this view for many years. You're basically describing Stephen J. Gould's notion of "Magisteria" that are compatible. The problem with this is that religion makes existential claims, which are thus scientific claims, that are totally incompatible with scientific notions.

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#47 WiiMan21
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Pics or it didn't happen.

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#48 AtomicBaconBits
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That's pretty interesting.Here's a more convincing picture...(check Plate B)

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#49 foxhound_fox
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Cool... but evolution has already been proven true, countless times.

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#50 WiiMan21
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That's pretty interesting.Here's a more convincing picture...(check Plate B)

AtomicBaconBits

Ummm, looks like some ordinary old fossils to me. Don't see the hype in it, though I could be wrong.